Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Froome]

How do you figure? Vingegaard broke his collarbone, some ribs, had a lung contusion, and a pneumothorax. Evenepoel had a broken collarbone and scapula. Lung damage with broken ribs > a broken scapula. Ones going to have a lot harder time breathing and exerting themselves compared to the other.

I'm talking about the injuries Evenepoel had on Il Lombardia 2020.

 

[saunaking]

Actually it was the Senior DS:
Senior directeur sportif Merijn Zeeman has already said Vingegaard will not attend the Visma-Lease a Bike Tour de France altitude training camp in May and played down suggestions that he may start the Grand Boucle even if he is not at his best.

“I don’t think so,” Maassen agreed.

“For Jonas, it’s important to be at 100 per cent to go into the Tour. It's a really hard race. He won it twice and I don't think he wants to go there to be top-10 or whatever. He has to be in his best shape, and we will have to see if that’s realistic in the next few weeks.

“He has to recover from his very bad crash. We will have to see in the next two weeks what progress he makes and then we will make a new plan.”

“Jonas is a special guy. He may recover quickly, but as I said, I am not a doctor and it is far too early to make a decision.”

While he may not be a doctor I can't imagine them putting out this press without reviewing what a doctor has told them. It also makes planning sense to avoid pressuring a generational talent into rushing recovery. How many years did it take Remco to regain his best potential? IMO that question hasn't been answered because he is still getting better but maybe not matching the dreams of his ardent fans.

Good, I hope he recovers well and comes back 100% whether its at the Tour or Vuelta, I don't care, just want to see him light it up this year

 

[Gratemans]

Perhaps we'll get to see him present the house on MTV Cribs one day.

* opens door to the garage with his Tacx *
"And this is where the magic happens!"

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I must admit some of these are new concepts to me - compensating principal with higher interest rate (that’s what I understood was going on here) is not something I am familiar with. So you have fixed interest rate and then when ECB lifts base rate affecting loan interest rates, you trade your low fixed interest rate for higher variable rate, bank lowers your remaining principal as a reward and you speculate that variable interest rate will go back down and you will profit - did I understand that correctly?

Now it may well be that I presented it a little too simply.
There is also something called market value and commission - which is completely different when comparing up and down conversions.
otherwise it would quickly end up like the Wild West.

 

[RedheadDane]

He can get a riding mower for the yard complete with beer cozy. Good way to recover.

Or get more hurt...

Dylan Teuns injured in tractor accident while gardening after Tour de France

The Belgian stage winner will be forced to miss the Clásica San Sebastián

www.cyclingweekly.com

 

[Netserk]

He might have paid less than 15 million, considering it seems to have been on the market for a while.

The provisional estimation of the value of the property by the tax office is ~7M DKK (less than €1M). But take that with a grain of salt.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Perhaps we'll get to see him present the house on MTV Cribs one day.

Not happening. What if by accident they visit the cellar with other copies of Project Skeletor prepared in case the current one malfunctions?

 

[ingsve]

“For Jonas, it’s important to be at 100 per cent to go into the Tour. It's a really hard race. He won it twice and I don't think he wants to go there to be top-10 or whatever.

I wonder how much this is up to him. Do the big stars have so much power that they can decide for themselves whether they should participate or not? It's kind of important for the team and sponsors from the PR and commercial standpoint to have the double reigning champion at the start just to show himself even if he's not in 100% shape even if it is just to hunt for a stage or two and to help one of his team mates get a good result in his place.

 

[Netserk]

It sounds like next update will be in two weeks when they know more.

 

[Nick2413]

I wonder how much this is up to him. Do the big stars have so much power that they can decide for themselves whether they should participate or not? It's kind of important for the team and sponsors from the PR and commercial standpoint to have the double reigning champion at the start just to show himself even if he's not in 100% shape even if it is just to hunt for a stage or two and to help one of his team mates get a good result in his place.

True but also messy to have a Remco Giro ‘21 situation. Way too much drama if they put him in at less than 100%.

 

[ingsve]

True but also messy to have a Remco Giro ‘21 situation. Way too much drama if they put him in at less than 100%.

There is no drama if people are professional and the roles are made clear before hand. I don't think Vingegaards role would be to specifically tow a captain up the mountains anyway. If he was that much stronger than the captain he would likely have a free role to hunt for the stage win in those spots and mainly help the captain earlier if he doesn't have the best of legs comparatively.

 

[Nick2413]

There is no drama if people are professional and the roles are made clear before hand. I don't think Vingegaards role would be to specifically tow a captain up the mountains anyway. If he was that much stronger than the captain he would likely have a free role to hunt for the stage win in those spots and mainly help the captain earlier if he doesn't have the best of legs comparatively.

I don’t think there’s any chance he goes as a stage hunter, unless it’s to get legs for Vuelta.

 

[ingsve]

I don’t think there’s any chance he goes as a stage hunter, unless it’s to get legs for Vuelta.

That's just from his perspective though so it comes down to whether he has a choice. If I was the sponsor I would demand that he was there as long as he is fit enough to ride a bike. Exposure at the Tour is just so much bigger than even a win at the Vuelta.

 

[Oldermanish]

I wonder how much this is up to him. Do the big stars have so much power that they can decide for themselves whether they should participate or not? It's kind of important for the team and sponsors from the PR and commercial standpoint to have the double reigning champion at the start just to show himself even if he's not in 100% shape even if it is just to hunt for a stage or two and to help one of his team mates get a good result in his place.

It's up to Jonas, first. You can't make a rider race if they're unwilling.
JV is getting almost as much marketing off this recovery phase as they can and likely will expect him to post workout progress broadcasts. Those would make daily viewing in Denmark, at least.

The problem with starting a GT, particularly the Tour when not at your best is the danger factor. The first week is nuts for aggression by everyone trying to get on their jersey on camera. Safety is totally secondary. That middle to back of field is where lesser riders live and die. It seems like a risky proposition if he hasn't done some prior racing to be comfortable. That risk increases if he'd be trying to push to the front to assist a team result. IMO he'd be best served to target a lower profile race and serve as an JV ambassador in the meantime.

 

[ingsve]

It's up to Jonas, first. You can't make a rider race if they're unwilling.
JV is getting almost as much marketing off this recovery phase as they can and likely will expect him to post workout progress broadcasts. Those would make daily viewing in Denmark, at least.

The problem with starting a GT, particularly the Tour when not at your best is the danger factor. The first week is nuts for aggression by everyone trying to get on their jersey on camera. Safety is totally secondary. That middle to back of field is where lesser riders live and die. It seems like a risky proposition if he hasn't done some prior racing to be comfortable. That risk increases if he'd be trying to push to the front to assist a team result. IMO he'd be best served to target a lower profile race and serve as an JV ambassador in the meantime.

So contracts mean nothing? I think Jonas may have an opinion but I don't think he has the final word. That would otherwise be unprecedented in almost any team sport, especially one so heavily focused on sponsors. And nothing they are doing during recovery even comes close to the coverage that the Tour gets. By orders of magnitude.

Also I don't expect him to ride if he's not fit for it. I just think that if he's not in 100% shape to fight for the win, they will still send him because it means too much for the team and sponsors if he's there or not.

I guess we'll find out eventually depending on how his recovery goes. First of all he needs to get fit enough to actually race before it becomes a question they need to address at all.

 

[Red Rick]

What sponsorship value is there sending Vingegaard to the wolves in the Tour if he's not in a condition to contest the win?

Better skip it, and then make a grand return in La Vuelta.

 

[houtdffan]

Here is a video of the house inside.

https://tinyurl.com/JV-big-house

dangerous web page blocked

 

[ice&fire]

What sponsorship value is there sending Vingegaard to the wolves in the Tour if he's not in a condition to contest the win?

Better skip it, and then make a grand return in La Vuelta.

He'll get camera time anyways. Ask Aru.

 

[ingsve]

What sponsorship value is there sending Vingegaard to the wolves in the Tour if he's not in a condition to contest the win?

Better skip it, and then make a grand return in La Vuelta.

He's the double defending champion, He'll be highlighted and talked about on basically every broadcast on every single stage regardless of what happens on the road that day.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He's the double defending champion, He'll be highlighted and talked about on basically every broadcast on every single stage regardless of what happens on the road that day.

That might still happen even if he isn't there.

 

[ingsve]

That might still happen even if he isn't there.

Sure to some extent but it won't really be the same. Especially if he is fit enough to win a stage still.

 

[Froome]

I believe if he's at 90/95% before the Tour, like he was before the Vuelta 2023, Visma will decide to put Vingegaard in the Tour, because he can still fight for the victory and improve the shape until the last week, where everything will be decided.

Now, this can be "wishfull thinking" by my side, but i believe he will be in the Tour, because Visma did not descarded yet his appearance there, and i believe a lot in his ability to recover faster. This guys doesn't appear to be humans. It's unbeliavable how fast Van aert is recovering after what happened to him.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Sure to some extent but it won't really be the same. Especially if he is fit enough to win a stage still.

But if he's not able to contend for the overall podium, he can pretty much only lose by riding the race, unless he wins multiple stages.

 

[ingsve]

But if he's not able to contend for the overall podium, he can pretty much only lose by riding the race, unless he wins multiple stages.

What is he losing exactly? The opportunity to win Sibiu Tour?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What is he losing exactly? The opportunity to win Sibiu Tour?

It can hurt his reputation and his confidence. It can quickly turn from a positive story about him overcoming injury and showing the race respect to one about the team making him race when he wasn't ready, or whether we'll ever see him back at his best.