Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Froome]

He seems very inflexible. Like he has no read on if Pogacar is good or bad. Pulling Tourmalet last year and then pulling on Cambasque made 0 sense.

It made sense one attack on Tourmalet, and stop when he saw he couldn't drop Pogacar. The rest until the finish line made 0 sense.

 

[proffate]

I'd drop Trine in a heartbeat for Demi.

you clearly don't understand the power of love

 

[kn0s]

I think he does more or less what the DS tells him. That can be both a strength and a weakness.

 

[rallybanana]

Guys lets not make it even more weird.

It's already weird!

That's the power of the butterfly effect

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Tbf I think part of the Tourmalet/Cauterets disaster was probably a misevaluation from the DS. Jumbo thought after the day before they can kill of Pogacar for good and were convinced he could just drop him off the wheel again like on Col de Marie-Blanque, Hautacam, Ventoux...
Outside of that he rode relatively smart, not panicking on Puy de Dome or Joux Plane and just patiently waiting for Pogacar to show weakness. But overall he hasn't been put in many race situations were you have to race smartly because his team has always been super dominant and being at least the second strongest rider in the peleton helps to cover over a lot of potential cracks.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Jonas pulling like that was very similar to Pog doing it on Galibier. They both thought they were just stronger, but turned out they werent. Vingegaard didn't get to pay a very steeo price for it like Pog

I do think he's prety smart though generally

I don't thinks Vingo is very smart, but I reckon that what we get from pro riders are comments and statements when their brain are running on slow amounts of O2.

 

[FanBoi]

Tim Heemskerk (his coach):

‘He's been away with his family in Mallorca, but now he's starting altitude training in Tignes. It's a new step for him and now it's starting to look like normal training.’

‘He arrived at altitude yesterday (Tuesday, ed.) and initially there's not much training. He just has to adapt to the altitude.

The two-time Tour winner's coach also admits that he is surprised at how much Jonas Vingegaard has improved since the crash on 4 April.

‘We are trying to increase his fitness on the bike, but also to strengthen his shoulder through exercises and get him closer to the optimal weight,’ says Tim Heemskerk.

‘My hope is that he can train with the rest of the team when they come to Tignes after the Dauphiné for the pre-Tour training camp and become a full member of the team. No decision has been made yet. Right now the most important thing is today and tomorrow.’

‘He has prepared himself in the best possible way by doing some climbing and training descents in Mallorca, where he really got back up to speed for the first time. There it was about being somewhere with a good climate and where he could enjoy the time around training with his family. In Tignes, it's more about performance with normal training, massages etc.’ says Tim Heemskerk.

Vingegaard er taget til Frankrig: Kampen mod uret går over al forventning

Storslåede nyheder!

www.bt.dk

 

[Netserk]

86 days before the Tour: Crash, broken ribs and punctured lung, hospitalisation in ICU.
74 days before the Tour: Leaves hospital.
61 days before the Tour: First day on a home-trainer.
53 days before the Tour: First day training outside in Denmark.
41 days before the Tour: First day training in Mallorca.
34 days before the Tour: First day training in the French Alps near Annecy.
32 days before the Tour: Altitude training in Tignes.

 

[Mlarsen]

Very, Very good news today about Jonas Vingegaard from the danish newspaper BT

BT: The Vingegaards have gone to France:The battle against the clock goes beyond all expectations

 

[Offline]

21 days between first day on the bike and altitude camp.. If it wasn't Visma I would say that seems very forced.

 

[Red Rick]

Tim Heemskerk (his coach):

‘He's been away with his family in Mallorca, but now he's starting altitude training in Tignes. It's a new step for him and now it's starting to look like normal training.’

‘He arrived at altitude yesterday (Tuesday, ed.) and initially there's not much training. He just has to adapt to the altitude.

The two-time Tour winner's coach also admits that he is surprised at how much Jonas Vingegaard has improved since the crash on 4 April.

‘We are trying to increase his fitness on the bike, but also to strengthen his shoulder through exercises and get him closer to the optimal weight,’ says Tim Heemskerk.

‘My hope is that he can train with the rest of the team when they come to Tignes after the Dauphiné for the pre-Tour training camp and become a full member of the team. No decision has been made yet. Right now the most important thing is today and tomorrow.’

‘He has prepared himself in the best possible way by doing some climbing and training descents in Mallorca, where he really got back up to speed for the first time. There it was about being somewhere with a good climate and where he could enjoy the time around training with his family. In Tignes, it's more about performance with normal training, massages etc.’ says Tim Heemskerk.

Vingegaard er taget til Frankrig: Kampen mod uret går over al forventning

Storslåede nyheder!

www.bt.dk

Starting to look like normal training. In other words he was doing Nibali-getting -dropped-by-his-dad level training before

 

[memyselfandI]

I don't thinks Vingo is very smart, but I reckon that what we get from pro riders are comments and statements when their brain are running on slow amounts of O2.

Bit harsh to say like that.. Maybe he's not that smart as we here, but smart enough to be there at the WT bunch. And make right decisions even in deep oxygen dept, no?

 

[RedheadDane]

Bit harsh to say like that.. Maybe he's not that smart as we here, but smart enough to be there at the WT bunch. And make right decisions even in deep oxygen dept, no?

Damn, you have to be smart to be here... ? Guess I'll have to be banned, then...

 

[Elos Anjos]

Bit harsh to say like that.. Maybe he's not that smart as we here, but smart enough to be there at the WT bunch. And make right decisions even in deep oxygen dept, no?

I'm pretty suhre he is not inside the WT bunch because of being smart or not, but because he can perform at god levels.

 

[Froome]

Tim Heemskerk (his coach):

‘He's been away with his family in Mallorca, but now he's starting altitude training in Tignes. It's a new step for him and now it's starting to look like normal training.’

‘He arrived at altitude yesterday (Tuesday, ed.) and initially there's not much training. He just has to adapt to the altitude.

The two-time Tour winner's coach also admits that he is surprised at how much Jonas Vingegaard has improved since the crash on 4 April.

‘We are trying to increase his fitness on the bike, but also to strengthen his shoulder through exercises and get him closer to the optimal weight,’ says Tim Heemskerk.

‘My hope is that he can train with the rest of the team when they come to Tignes after the Dauphiné for the pre-Tour training camp and become a full member of the team. No decision has been made yet. Right now the most important thing is today and tomorrow.’

‘He has prepared himself in the best possible way by doing some climbing and training descents in Mallorca, where he really got back up to speed for the first time. There it was about being somewhere with a good climate and where he could enjoy the time around training with his family. In Tignes, it's more about performance with normal training, massages etc.’ says Tim Heemskerk.

Vingegaard er taget til Frankrig: Kampen mod uret går over al forventning

Storslåede nyheder!

www.bt.dk

He will do literally do 1 month in altitude, not just 2 or 3 weeks.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Starting to look like normal training. In other words he was doing Nibali-getting -dropped-by-his-dad level training before

Yup, those fat amateurs caught him and bullied him into photos. But not anymore, w/kg are going up now!

 

[SHAD0W93]

He will do literally do 1 month in altitude, not just 2 or 3 weeks.

At least he’s doing normal training now.

 

[Froome]

Yup, those fat amateurs caught him and bullied him into photos. But not anymore, w/kg are going up now!

Just bluff mate. Visma is creating in laboratory a new software who will make Vingegaard even more stronger.

 

[Froome]

At least he’s doing normal training now.

They always communicate the way they want, it's hard to believe they always tell the truth, but he should he really better to do altitude training camp.

 

[Netserk]

He went from much strong to more stronger. For the Vuelta, he'll be most strongest!

 

[Jack_89]

I'm neither a doctor nor there with him (like everyone else), but observing from the outside I have the impression that the team is forcing things to get him to Florence. Whatever it takes. Let's see, at the Tour he will have to be at 90/100% immediately to overcome the Galibier on the fourth stage.

 

[SHAD0W93]

They always communicate the way they want, it's hard to believe they always tell the truth, but he should he really better to do altitude training camp.

I’m sure they leave our or twist a lot of things, but you said last week he’s been training at a normal training session and now the coach has finally come out to say this week was the start of an almost normal training session.

It’s hard to say if he will be better, it depends on how his lungs heal. It could become a real pain to breathe with altitude and exertion.

 

[Froome]

He went from much strong to more stronger. For the Vuelta, he'll be most strongest!

Did i said wrong? English is not my native language. How is correct "much strong" or "much stronger"?

 

[Froome]

I’m sure they leave our or twist a lot of things, but you said last week he’s been training at a normal training session and now the coach has finally come out to say this week was the start of an almost normal training session.

It’s hard to say if he will be better, it depends on how his lungs heal. It could become a real pain to breathe with altitude and exertion.

Nevertheless being in altitude now, could mean the lungs are good right? Unless they are making in suffer. I don't believe it.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm neither a doctor nor there with him (like everyone else), but observing from the outside I have the impression that the team is forcing things to get him to Florence. Whatever it takes. Let's see, at the Tour he will have to be at 90/100% immediately to overcome the Galibier on the fourth stage.

Nah. He's been taking it easy so far. I think going to Tignes is more of a contingency in that if he improves dramatically and goes to the Tour, they want him to have been to altitude.

Realistically I think they've given up on him winning the Tour and just let him rebuild, but maybe riding the Tour can be part of that rebuild.