Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Elos Anjos]

Nice answer

That was not a good answer. People there are not celebrating Vingegaard, but the Danish winner of the Tour. It's totally different of one being popular.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No Vuelta for JV - "family reasons"
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/jonas-vingegaard-will-not-race-vuelta-a-espana-tour-de-france-likely-the-only-option-for-a-grand-tour-in-2024
His presence is not certain at the French Grand Tour, but if he does not race there it is unlikely that he will be racing a three-week race in 2024 as the Vuelta a España is apparently out of the plans.

This has been reported by Het Laatste Nieuws this morning. The Belgian news outlet has argued that Vingegaard's presence in the Vuelta is at risk due to family circumstances. It is not clear what this may be. "As a result, he would only have a Grand Tour in his legs this year if he rode the Tour."
Original article https://www.hln.be/tour-de-france/o...our-deelname-van-aert-en-vingegaard~a60c38b5/

What can go wrong even more for Visma?

 

[Froome]

What can go wrong even more for Visma?

I wouldn't believe that much on this rumours.

 

[KZD]

No Vuelta for JV - "family reasons"
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/jonas-vingegaard-will-not-race-vuelta-a-espana-tour-de-france-likely-the-only-option-for-a-grand-tour-in-2024
His presence is not certain at the French Grand Tour, but if he does not race there it is unlikely that he will be racing a three-week race in 2024 as the Vuelta a España is apparently out of the plans.

This has been reported by Het Laatste Nieuws this morning. The Belgian news outlet has argued that Vingegaard's presence in the Vuelta is at risk due to family circumstances. It is not clear what this may be. "As a result, he would only have a Grand Tour in his legs this year if he rode the Tour."
Original article https://www.hln.be/tour-de-france/o...our-deelname-van-aert-en-vingegaard~a60c38b5/

Big chance for Roglič to equal the record if this turns out to be true.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

No, he's generally very popular.

Isn't that rather patriotism? I'm sure the same number of people would have turned up if someone else with a Danish passport had won the race.

 

[scribers]

No Vuelta for JV - "family reasons"
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/jonas-vingegaard-will-not-race-vuelta-a-espana-tour-de-france-likely-the-only-option-for-a-grand-tour-in-2024
His presence is not certain at the French Grand Tour, but if he does not race there it is unlikely that he will be racing a three-week race in 2024 as the Vuelta a España is apparently out of the plans.

This has been reported by Het Laatste Nieuws this morning. The Belgian news outlet has argued that Vingegaard's presence in the Vuelta is at risk due to family circumstances. It is not clear what this may be. "As a result, he would only have a Grand Tour in his legs this year if he rode the Tour."
Original article https://www.hln.be/tour-de-france/o...our-deelname-van-aert-en-vingegaard~a60c38b5/

I didn’t anticipate learning his plans for the vuelta before knowing about the tour

 

[Extinction]

Ok, but if Jonas isn't popular in Denmark then why? This needs an explanation.

 

[Netserk]

Isn't that rather patriotism? I'm sure the same number of people would have turned up if someone else with a Danish passport had won the race.

That he is popular because he is successful doesn't make him any less popular.

He is the most successful, most well-known and most broadly popular Danish rider in the current peloton. I guess he is the most popular Danish rider since Rolf Sørensen?

 

[Blobs]

Isn't that rather patriotism? I'm sure the same number of people would have turned up if someone else with a Danish passport had won the race.

Sure. Being a dane and winning the Tour is what made him very popular, but the question was whether he is popular or not, and the answer is yes.

Ok, but if Jonas isn't popular in Denmark then why? This needs an explanation.

He is. No explanation needed.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Totally agree with this. Visma has been awful this season so they desperately need Jonas to win the Tour. Pogacar will kill him on Galibier, he is very good in early mountain stages and can creat a huge gap in shallow gradients because he is very powerful. Who is gonna chase Pogacar and not lose a minute? Kuss, Matteo, Hindley? Roglic will not expose himself for 4 km

I would say Visma has been below their standards but not awful. Jorgensen won Paris-Nice and got second in the Dauphine. Wout and Vingegaard have of course suffered extremely bad luck and Kuss has severely underperformed. Jorgensen a huge silver lining IMO.

 

[Rob5091]

If Vingegaard does turn up at the Tour, Bora & UAE will go nuts on the first two stages. Put your bets on for the fastest ever stages!

 

[AmRacer]

I would say Visma has been below their standards but not awful. Jorgensen won Paris-Nice and got second in the Dauphine. Wout and Vingegaard have of course suffered extremely bad luck and Kuss has severely underperformed. Jorgensen a huge silver lining IMO.

Wout and Jorgenson won one days race as well.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Who cares if Vingo is going to the Tour. He isn't even going to the Vuelta. So all in all it's a dead year for him. He might as well not come back the same, just like Dumoulin.

I dare to say that Matteo Jorgenson will likely podium the Tour.

 

[ciranda]

everyone cares, ELLOS

 

[Tim Cahill]

No Vuelta? No Pogacar either? Lots of really random uphill sprints in an anonymous Spanish backalley?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Is Jorgenson a doctor man lol

I’m a cyclist not a doctor!

 

[SHAD0W93]

You said it yourself. Pogačar was at his best for the first two weeks after that the bad preparation started to show. Why wouldn't Vingegaard be at his best for the first two weeks?

Because Vingegaard had a worse injury that affects his training output, stamina, and breathing.

 

[meat puppet]

If Vinge partakes, my bet is that he is in for a lesser but still prominent pogacar dynamic from last year. In other words, no level to put up a fight against the best, but will fade nevertheless as the race goes on.

Anything else would be quite surprising all things considered.

 

[Froome]

If Vinge partakes, my bet is that he is in for a lesser but still prominent pogacar dynamic from last year. In other words, no level to put up a fight against the best, but will fade nevertheless as the race goes on.

Anything else would be quite surprising all things considered.

I don't think Pogacar faded last year. He just had a bad day due some issues, especially because against Vingegaard is a like a war if attrition.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I don't think Pogacar faded last year. He just had a bad day due some issues, especially because against Vingegaard is a like a war if attrition.

It could be both. From St Gervais stage on Pogacar clearly lacked the punch to (at least temporarily) drop Vingo and lost lots of time: this could indicate fading (after 2-weeks of war against Vingo). Loze was a disaster (likely other external factors contributing there, which doesn't completely exclude fading factor)

 

[Froome]

It could be both. From St Gervais stage on Pogacar clearly lacked the punch to (at least temporarily) drop Vingo and lost lots of time: this could indicate fading (after 2-weeks of war against Vingo). Loze was a disaster (likely other external factors contributing there, which doesn't completely exclude fading factor)

They pushed big numbers on Saint Gervais, probably was Vingegaard who improved a bit since the previous day.

I believe more the problem on La Loze was mentally after what happened on the previous day, plus stomach issues, plus the crash in the beggining of the stage, plus the war of attrition after 2 weeks and half where he was pushed to the limit, because Pogacar recovers well but not as much as Vingegaard.

If we put the version of Pogacar of the Tour 2023 in the Giro 2024, he would had won with the same or big gap to the rest of the field.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

They pushed big numbers on Saint Gervais, probably was Vingegaard who improved a bit since the previous day.

I believe more the problem on La Loze was mentally after what happened on the previous day, plus stomach issues, plus the crash in the beggining of the stage, plus the war of attrition after 2 weeks and half where he was pushed to the limit, because Pogacar recovers well but not as much as Vingegaard.

If we put the version of Pogacar of the Tour 2023 in the Giro 2024, he would had won with the same or big gap to the rest of the field.

Well, you said it yourself. War of attrition against Vingo was a factor contributing to Pogacar fading. As for Giro vs Tour, Pogacar form looked similar in those two races - except in the Giro Pogacar didn't have to go deep as much as in the Tour obviously (and also avoided Loze collapse).

 

[Froome]

Well, you said it yourself. War of attrition against Vingo was a factor contributing to Pogacar fading. As for Giro vs Tour, Pogacar form looked similar in those two races - except in the Giro Pogacar didn't have to go deep as much as in the Tour obviously (and also avoided Loze collapse).

The fact he was already better on Vosges, i think also indicates it wasn't something due to that.

My point is, in the Giro he didn't had to go to a war of attrition, so he didn't faded. Like you said "he didn't had to go deep". And on Joux Plane for example, Pogacar went really deep, doing probably one of his best perfomances ever.

If we look at the gaps on La loze and in the ITT, everybody was absolutely dead in the third week.

 

[Froome]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1801232730664927561

View: https://x.com/allergy_al/status/1801232730664927561


It looks like his weight will not be a problem.

 

[Extinction]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1801232730664927561

View: https://x.com/allergy_al/status/1801232730664927561


It looks like his weight will not be a problem.

But will his power be?