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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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  • The Chicken who eats Riis for breakfast

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  • When they go low, Vingo high

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  • Wings of Love

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  • The Fishman Cometh

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  • The Mysterious Vingegaard Society

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New bike (for the Tour, you'd think), h/t @allergy_al:

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Vingegaard's team is an issue.

Even with Vinge at 100%, he doesn't have the teammates to drill the hardest multi col mountain stages like in 2022 & 2023. The loss of Van Baarle is a serious blow in that regard, meanwhile others (like Laporte, Van Aert & Kuss) are nowhere near last year's levels for various reasons.

It means UAE will dictate the pace.
Disagree. Tratnik + Jorgenson>>>>Van Baarle + NVH in the high mountains. They might be weaker in the flat-ish stages but they're deffo stronger for the multi col mountain stages.
 
Disagree. Tratnik + Jorgenson>>>>Van Baarle + NVH in the high mountains. They might be weaker in the flat-ish stages but they're deffo stronger for the multi col mountain stages.
And that's something they missed on col du tourmalet last year before Kelderman and Kuss take the front in the last 4.5 km of Tourmalet. The pace was too low with Nathan, van baarle, benoot, laporte.
 
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Though, quite a blow with Van Baarle out, the 'invisible role' in Capitain de la Route guidance with steady hand should not be underestimated in relation to the ability to "wrap Jonas safely".

(Nota Bene; Le Tour does not just go uphill all the way the 3 weeks from Florence to Nice)
 
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Though, quite a blow with Van Baarle out, the 'invisible role' in Capitain de la Route guidance with steady hand should not be underestimated in relation to the ability to "wrap Jonas safely".

(Nota Bene; Le Tour does not just go uphill all the way the 3 weeks from Florence to Nice)
Nathan will also be a big loss on wrap Jonas safely.

Tratnik will have to do that job.
 
At Visma Lease a Bike there is no certainty about the selection for the Tour, since Van Aert and Vingegaard are not yet at the top level. “We’re still in doubt about both Jonas and Wout. There were all kinds of scenarios, but there was no concrete scenario. [...]”

And then there is the theme of Van Aert-Vingegaard: what about the two? Niermann is clear: “They are not what they should be, no. Otherwise it would be clear. They have both fallen hard and are not at last year’s level. We need to look at how much sense it makes. They prepare them and that is going well, but it is not the level that they reached exactly one year ago. It is certainly achievable, but we make decisions.”
 
Logic suggests he's honest about them...but there's also possibility he's playing mind games. 50-50 in my opinion

Vingo's training shortcomings are obvious so I think he's honest there. However, I do think they are doing whatever they can to improve Vingo as quickly as possible and decide in the last moment. With crashes of their top stars hampering the season maybe they are being a bit desparate here wanting to make an impact at the Tour.
 
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''At Visma Lease a Bike there is no certainty about the selection for the Tour, since Van Aert and Vingegaard are not yet at the top level. “We’re still in doubt about both Jonas and Wout. There were all kinds of scenarios, but there was no concrete scenario. [...]”

And then there is the theme of Van Aert-Vingegaard: what about the two? Niermann is clear: “They are not what they should be, no. Otherwise it would be clear. They have both fallen hard and are not at last year’s level. We need to look at how much sense it makes. They prepare them and that is going well, but it is not the level that they reached exactly one year ago. It is certainly achievable, but we make decisions.”
 
Thats how it is when you crash. You have to spend all the time to catch up instead while other is improving. Its not easy to be competetive in those situations. Like Pog last year- hes obvious not as talented as him tho Vinge is talented in GT no doubt. Also which is very important comes into play when hes training now instead of purely recovering to push more etc the body spends ALOT of energy on healing which adds up - even more so entering in a GT. Its rough.

Its hard to see him winning the Tour unless Pogacar is unlucky but then again hes always somewhat has to rely on Pogacar not beeing at his best, but Pogacar after the giro very might well not be at his best and he can be unlucky/crash and what not so better to start.

Get well champ.
 
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Today's Dauphine stage highlighted the challenge for recovery. Remco was strong but couldn't do all the things on a climb he might be able to do in a month. He's also built for recovery on his injuries with a solid core (his critics call it fat) that hinders him in steep climbs, now. Jonas was not built for that sort of recovery and IMO is at least a month behind what you see in Remco. Not sure about WvA but he is likely missing the intensity he'd want to have for his type of efforts. He could come good in the Tour's last week and someone like Matteo would appreciate that.
 
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Vingo's training shortcomings are obvious so I think he's honest there. However, I do think they are doing whatever they can to improve Vingo as quickly as possible and decide in the last moment. With crushes of their top stars hampering the season maybe they are being a bit desparate here wanting to make an impact at the Tour.

I think he's absolutely being honest.

One year ago Vingegaard was demolishing the Dauphiné without breaking a sweat. The gap versus the rest was enormous.

Whereas now...

Tbh I might be changing my mind a little regarding Vingegaard's TdF prospects, i.e. going from being pretty convinced he'll be ready to now thinking... maybe not. It's Evenepoel who is ironically also showing that coming back after an injury is really not straight-forward. Vingegaard had it much worse than Evenepoel as well.
 

Skeletor's Tour participation would feel like a big plot-twist, really. Most people have already accepted that he probably won't be present/competitive there. It's thought that Teddy's only rival will be himself (crash or potential post-Giro fatigue) and then...boom, his kryptonite is back! They will be delaying the decision as long as possible...I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Skeletor's Tour participation would feel like a big plot-twist, really. Most people have already accepted that he probably won't be present/competitive there. It's thought that Teddy's only rival will be himself (crash or potential post-Giro fatigue) and then...boom, his kryptonite is back! They will be delaying the decision as long as possible...I'll believe it when I see it.
I can't be sure 100% he will start the Tour in top shape, but i'm sure he will be there. I don't believe he will be one month in Tignes to comeback to Denmark.

I believe he can still start the Tour in a shape similar with the last week of the Vuelta 2023 in the worst scenario.
 
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I think that's too good of a shape to realistically hope/believe for him to start with.
That's almost a GT winner shape. I'd say that finishing the Tour in such a shape would be success, let alone starting it with such.
I believe he will start in a good shape, otherwise they wouldn't be confident on going to the Tour with him. If he is staying one month in Tignes, they believe he will finish the training camp in good shape.
 
I believe he will start in a good shape, otherwise they wouldn't be confident on going to the Tour with him. If he is staying one month in Tignes, they believe he will finish the training camp in good shape.
I think it's normal for a defending Tour winner to try and build the best possible shape for the Tour,
I bet he'd start the Tour even 80% (assuming that his Vuelta was 90-95%). He has nothing to lose.


I just think that if they were as confident he'd be in a good enough shape , they'd confirm he is gonna race by now.