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Krzysztof_O

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Froome said:
That is also true, but i think he also lost about 10 s in the first section. He wasn't comfortable in the curves.

I'm confident he will improve until stage 14. He also lack some racing in his legs.
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It's hard to predict Jonas trajectory. He can indeed improve in the next few days (shaking off rust) but I'm not certain regarding his lasting power for the whole Tour. Anyway it's still very early in the Tour. Now the ITT will be the next important day, then gravel and Massif Central. Pyrenees are still very long way to go. And not only Pogacar and Vingegaard are in contention.
 
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Rackham said:
Very good performance. The descent though should be a worry. It's evidently a leftover from his crash because last year he'd boss Pog in the descents.
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The difference was due to power (and weight). While he doesn't have Pogi's kick out of the corners, he was as good as anyone on the technical part. From Plan Lachat onwards he lost quite a bit to Evenepoel, and that wasn't because the latter descended better (technically).
 
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Netserk said:
The difference was due to power (and weight). While he doesn't have Pogi's kick out of the corners, he was as good as anyone on the technical part. From Plan Lachat onwards he lost quite a bit to Evenepoel, and that wasn't because the latter descended better (technically).
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Yes. He was decent enough today and in Bologna... he began to lose time rapidly when watts and rouleurskills were needed.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Should feel lucky that it was a relativively soft mountain stage. All things considered he should feel pretty happy I think, but worries are how much time he will lose in the time trial because he doesn't really have the team to make it super hard anymore.
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I think he will lose 30"-60" in the ITT to Pogi. If that's all he will lose until Pla d'Adet, his winning path is straightforward. But he will need to actually get stronger than Pogi, and that's no guarantee.
 
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Vingegaard is now in the same spot Pogacar was in the last two years; against a stronger team (2022), against a team with a rider that can be a threat for overall (2022), coming back from an injury (2023 but Vinge’s is worse), and against a strong rider. On top of that his team doesn’t look to be good for the mountains bar Jorgenson who just got obliterated. It would be a hard, comeback win if it occurs.
 
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Red Rick said:
This is almost over already. He's gonna drop another chunk in the ITT and then when the Pyrenees come who on Jumbo is gonna put the slightest dent into UAE? Long range attacks are out of question completely
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The significance of Pogacars team to defend in the mountains is super overrated. This isn't chris froome getting babysitted on Alp d'Huez by Wout Poels. If Vingegaard goes, does anyone really think Pogacar will sit back and hope Yates closes the gap for him? Not to say Vingegaards team is no problem at all. It will certainly be much harder to hurt Pogacar before an attack without someone like Kuss around. But if Pogacar isn't strong enough to follow Vingegaard in the pyrenees, his team won't save him.
 
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Vingegaards performance today and Sunday is nothing but amazing. Until a few weeks ago, most people gave him 0% cahnce to be anywhere close to competitive form in this year's TdF. One can just imaging how hard and physically painful it must have been not only to recover from his injuries but also to build his form.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
The significance of Pogacars team to defend in the mountains is super overrated. This isn't chris froome getting babysitted on Alp d'Huez by Wout Poels. If Vingegaard goes, does anyone really think Pogacar will sit back and hope Yates closes the gap for him? Not to say Vingegaards team is no problem at all. It will certainly be much harder to hurt Pogacar before an attack without someone like Kuss around. But if Pogacar isn't strong enough to follow Vingegaard in the pyrenees, his team won't save him.
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If Visma want to attack, they need a hard day. But if Jorgenson pulls off, there‘s still ten guys and Pogi is nosebreathing. Vingegaard can‘t just drop Pog on explosiveness, so his own team‘s weakness is more of an issue than UAE‘s strength.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
But how straightforward is it if you don't have the super team to put the pressure on? Pog can just sit on wheels and sprint.
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If he's stronger than Pogi in the last 8 stages (big if), he only needs to land one successful attack on one of the MTFs and then a phenomenal last ITT to take back ~1'30". Very hard, and he will need to reach his best level, but his deficit isn't catastrophic.

Before that though we have an ITT and the gravel.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
Vingegaard is now in the same spot Pogacar was in the last two years; against a stronger team (2022), against a team with a rider that can be a threat for overall (2022), coming back from an injury (2023 but Vinge’s is worse), and against a strong rider. On top of that his team doesn’t look to be good for the mountains bar Jorgenson who just got obliterated. It would be a hard, comeback win if it occurs.
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His team is problem #1. Mateo showed the impact of doing too much work before the hard Galibier stretch, too. Unfortunately for Jonas, Mateo and the race excitement JV doesn't look like things will get better.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
But how straightforward is it if you don't have the super team to put the pressure on? Pog can just sit on wheels and sprint.
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He rode the last descent solo and put time into everyone. Pogi's team messed with the pursuit and look solid. To think Pogacar can be ground down and dropped by JV or any other team is, at this data point: laughable.
Bora lost #3 guy Sobrero before things even got tough leaving only Vlasov who checked out 5km from the summit. Who will put pressure on him?
 
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James M said:
Pogacar is just stronger I think if the Giro fatigue dont kick in to much its no shot. The way Pogacar blew him up in just 900m he is just to strong for everyone it seems, I have failed to see anyone trying to follow him this year and not blow up totally.. If the giro fatigue kicks in heavy which it can hopefully we have a fight.
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If Pogacar keeps his form he will win the Tour but it's still realistic that he'll feel the Giro in the last part of the race. However, I'm far from thinking that Vingo will be stronger in the last part of the race given his rushed preparation.
 
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Just rewatched the San Luca attack and Vingo was really sprinting to hold Pogi’s wheel, who was just powering in the saddle. Could just hang on untill the top. But really impressive.
Today was sort of the same effort but after some mountains, a harder pace and altitude. Still impressive with his preparation but you see he misses some base condition. Head held down at the top, all in through the corners but looked really tired at the finish.
 
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Red Rick said:
This is almost over already. He's gonna drop another chunk in the ITT and then when the Pyrenees come who on Jumbo is gonna put the slightest dent into UAE? Long range attacks are out of question completely
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Emirates will still have to make the race hard in the Pyrenees because they will want to get more time not just on Vingegaard but on Roglic and Remco. It would be also dangerous to Pogacar, going with a small gap to Remco in the last TT.

The winner will still be the leader with better legs, and one of the top teams will always make the race hard, not just Visma and Emirates, but also quick step, and Bora.
 
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Froome said:
Emirates will still have to make the race hard in the Pyrenees because they will want to get more time not just on Vingegaard but on Roglic and Remco. It would be also dangerous to Pogacar, going with a small gap to Remco in the last TT.

The winner will still be the leader with better legs, and one of the top teams will always make the race hard, not just Visma and Emirates, but also quick step, and Bora.
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Evenepoel is an interesting factor, he should be rather close behind Pogacar after the ITT (while I'm expecting other guys to be at least 1'20''-1'30'' back). UAE will definitely attack again (in Massif Central or Pyrenees) to gain on Evenepoel but if Vingo attacks in the Pyrenees and can't drop Pogacar, he can actually help Pogacar distance Evenepoel.
 
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