Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Lorzenz08]

Jonas did the 2nd best performance of his entire life, behind PdB 2024.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Strongest Jonas we have seen since Plateau de Beille last year. Will go hard on Madeleine if he's serious about winning this bike race

Yes, Madeleine is a huge climb and selection + long range attack can be done there (he would need a strong teammate or two ahead though). Col du Pre on stage 19 can be chosen as well (Visma will try one of those).

 

[Gigs_98]

Strongest Jonas we have seen since Plateau de Beille last year. Will go hard on Madeleine if he's serious about winning this bike race

Yeah, it's kind of similar to last year with Bonette. Pogacar has shown no weakness and has a huge lead but if Vingegaard drops him on Madeleine he is in big trouble. Not that I predict this to happen but if Vingegaard happens to be stronger than him in the last week those final two mountain stages are hard enough to make a huge difference. I hope Vingegaard will at least try.

 

[jmdirt]

STOP looking backwards JV!! Attack and ride hard. Your are 4+ min down.

 

[Red Rick]

They did Ventoux in 2021 but decided to basically give Portet 2021 vibes.

 

[jmdirt]

Vingegaard crashed after the finish today die to a photographer jumping in the way I read...

Why do we have so much unneeded media people actually in the race physically in this age of internet. Like those motor bikes with journalists on them telling us who are in the back. We dont need that at all, TV images and other sensors already indicate this. It will improve safety and fairness of we limit these types of media in the physical race and directly on the finish line.

Go scroll through my old thread about reducing motos...I've been saying it for years, but its only gotten worse.

 

[P4rthen0n]

Great attitude today. He's going all out trying to break Pogacar.
What a show he put on for us today!

 

[Ancalagon]

Jonas completely backed up what he said on the rest day. Visma were also spot on — smart strategy, perfectly executed. By far their best team performance since the start of the Tour.

 

[Gigs_98]

Jonas completely backed up what he said on the rest day. Visma were also spot on — smart strategy, perfectly executed. By far their best team performance since the start of the Tour.

Really good performance of the team even though Jorgenson is still nowhere to be found. Clearly bot UAE and Visma have good mountain support but both are really badly missing that one guy who after a hard pace halfway up the climb can make a 3 minute death pull to get everyone to the limit. Kuss doesn't have it this year, the Yates brothers have both been in better shape before, Almeida is out and Jorgenson...whatever happened there. Narvaez made that kind of leadout on Hautacam and it gained Pogacar 2 minutes but Narvaez can only give you that kind of leadout on the first 2km of a climb not halfway up. I think Visma were actually quite smart yesterday to say, we can't give one great leadout so let Jonas jump from one rider to another so they can give him 3 decent leadouts.

 

[Jagartrott]

So this is what "risking 2nd place to gain 1st place" looks like?

I don't think so.

 

[Rou]

So this is what "risking 2nd place to gain 1st place" looks like?

I don't think so.

You don't need to believe everything you hear on TV.

 

[Red Rick]

I just don't think he's that good this year, and both Madeleine and Loze had a headwind. He then tried and got punched in the face.

I'm not entirely sure what there is to complain about. Everything unfolded basically as predicted, apart from not making meme attacks at 6% into a headwind more.

 

[Pozzovivo]

@Froome what are we hoping for now?

 

[Jagartrott]

I just don't think he's that good this year, and both Madeleine and Loze had a headwind. He then tried and got punched in the face.

I'm not entirely sure what there is to complain about. Everything unfolded basically as predicted, apart from not making meme attacks at 6% into a headwind more.

Wow. Really? Risking your 2nd place would mean going man-to-man on Madeleine, and not settling for Jorgensen's wheel after a 1 km attack. It would mean letting Jorgensen pace in the valley up to Loze and then try and shake Pogacar. There were several risky moves to be made, and he made none. Just token attacks.

 

[YavorD]

@Froome what are we hoping for now?

He said he's gonna retire if this happens..

Please, don't.

 

[pelotonIQ]

There is 45,8km of climbing between Madeleine and Loze out of which Jonas only attacked for 1km.

 

[pelotonIQ]

The task was to take back time on Tadej on this queen stage and Jonas in agreement with his team said that he is willing to risk 2nd overall at a chance to crack Tadej.

This means that the Visma domestiques should set a hard tempo on Glandon with the finishing pull early on Madeleine to launch Jonas, then it is mano el mano. Either Jonas cracks or Tadej cracks. Opportunity wasted on stage 18. Tomorrow is the last chance on La Plagne but I think it's too late, today was the day for a pure 1 vs 1.

Also I will keep saying it, the Visma DS are incompetent.

 

[Gobbo]

So this is what "risking 2nd place to gain 1st place" looks like?

I don't think so.

I am a bit disappointed. Jonas had kind of promised that he would go all in for the victory but instead he just sat on Pogi´s wheel and only attacked about 1 km. from the finish line. That didn´t exactly look like a guy who seriously believed that he could win the Tour de France. In my opinion, Jonas has settled for the second place and has sort of given up to win the Tour, even that he declares the opposite....

I am not disappointed that Jonas didn´t beat Pogi, but I am disappointed that he didn´t try it more, as he had promised that he would do. He rode in a very conservative way, just letting his teammates pull. He should have tried to go solo at least from 4-5 km. before the finish line - and probably even earlier.

 

[Red Rick]

He's shown about the same commitment as Pogacar did in 2022.

 

[bill1109]

I am a bit disappointed. Jonas had kind of promised that he would go all in for the victory but instead he just sat on Pogi´s wheel and only attacked about 1 km. from the finish line. That didn´t exactly look like a guy who seriously believed that he could win the Tour de France. In my opinion, Jonas has settled for the second place and has sort of given up to win the Tour, even that he declares the opposite....

I am not disappointed that Jonas didn´t beat Pogi, but I am disappointed that he didn´t try it more, as he had promised that he would do. He rode in a very conservative way, just letting his teammates pull. He should have tried to go solo at least from 4-5 km. before the finish line - and probably even earlier.

They all say that.. they will risk it all.. even Pog said this morning in an interview in reaction to question about ving risking everything "smirk. That's a bit of an exaggeration to risk everything , maybe second place ". But he isn't going to risk second place no matter what he says. They all say this. Just like they all say their numbers and level are best they have been. Don't forget these guys are trying to keep high dollar contracts so if they do not have what it takes to look good , they are well coached on what to say to sound good. I hope Pog retires way before he ever sounds like this. But odds say he won't

 

[QueenStagiaire]

He's shown about the same commitment as Pogacar did in 2022.

We‘ll see, on the last mountain stage Pogačar did attack 5/6 times uphill and attacked downhill, I doubt Vingegaard tries that tomorrow. But so far, yes, he‘s tried something.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Visma & Vingo had a plan and executed it. Credit to them. It failed cause simply their rival was too strong. Pogi looked better than Vingo today IMO. One more day to try.

 

[Red Rick]

Visma & Vingo had a plan and executed it. Credit to them. It failed cause simply their rival was too strong. Pogi looked better than Vingo today IMO. One more day to try.

I can literally see every tactic unfolding the same way down to Roglic being ahead and a fuga della fuga going away in the false flat after Roselend. Only Lipowitz doing the same thing would be hard to foresee.

 

[hayneplane]

That was a shambolic Rabofail and Jonas totally failed to back up the talk about being willing to risk losing 2nd to really attack.

No shame at all in being 2nd best to the 🐐 but being content to ride behind a mediocre pace from Kuss and then Adam Yates without attacking even while the current 3rd place rider was losing a chunk of time was very timid mentally.

 

[SafeBet]

Is there anything we can do to make him ride the Giro next year? Tour is pretty pointless at this point isn't it?