- Sep 26, 2020
- 25,350
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I don't know, but he had no reason to give 100% and risk cracking. But the confidence he gainined from dropping the others probably also made it easier.
- Jun 7, 2011
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I didn't see anything that suggests that he is too good too soon. Him being better than a group of 10 riders including Bernal, Meintjes, Traeen and Lenny Martinez, with a few guys finishing ahead of that group, doesn't seem that strange given the current hierarchy. He wasn't beating a thermonuclear Pogacar by 2 minutes. He beat Yates by 45 seconds after his domestiques were already dropping a lot of the competition. There is always that possibility, but for the moment i wouldn't be too worried.
How is this the best Vingegaard you have ever seen? Has underestimating his Tour win over Pogacar gone so far as to say that he himself wasn't great, either?
Jumbo isn't some monolith of eternally equal preparation for everybody. Vingegaard's trainer is probably the best there is right now. He managed to make Tobias Foss world champion time trial...
- Mar 20, 2022
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People are underestimating what Vingegaard did last year, specially in the Dauphiné. The guy was cleraly waiting for Roglic in the last stage.
Until we see numbers showing otherwise, I’m pretty sure he was at least this good in last year’s Dauphine, he just had a better ride (than the others this year) in Roglic there too, and he held back a bit for him. Those numbers were phenomenal. And he was insane last year. Not sure how you could argue this is the best Vingegaard based on what we’re seeing here.
- Apr 30, 2011
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Vingegaard was 3.8 % faster than Yates on Croix de Fer with his time of 17'53'' (which is roughly equivalent to winning on Alpe d'Huez by 1'30''). It was a fast ascent, brutally so.
He has Tour winning legs already.
He has Tour winning legs already.
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- Jul 18, 2020
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View: https://twitter.com/festinaboy/status/1667523338896326658
I trust more in ammattipyoraily, but it's should be close to this.
I trust more in ammattipyoraily, but it's should be close to this.
- Feb 21, 2019
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If Vingegård can still improve this performance, he might reach 7 w/kg on Puy de Dôme.
- Jul 18, 2020
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- Feb 21, 2019
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Yes, the steep part basically. Sadly, I can't see Pogačar or any of the others going much beyond 6.5 w/kg there.
- Jun 30, 2022
- 7,442
- 10,829
- 17,180
- Jul 18, 2020
- 1,167
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- Jul 18, 2020
- 1,167
- 1,754
- 7,680
- Jul 10, 2014
- 14,994
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Cookster15
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- May 14, 2011
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This quote is particularly eyebrow-raising ...
- Mar 5, 2023
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To look at Vingegaard's level now vs same time last year, this might be helpful:
Time gap after today - time gap final GC last year:
O'Connor: 2:24 - 1:01 (2023 is 1:13 better)
Haig: 3:03 - 2:33 (2023 is 0:30 better)
Meintjes: 4:19 - 2:37 (2023 is 1:42 better)
Chavez: 4:31 - 2:38 (2023 is 1:53 better)
Johannessen: 4:51 - 3:11 (2023 is 1:40 better)
But more than that, he rides like a different rider. This is the first race I have seen him in, where he actually looks like a selfconfident captain.
Time gap after today - time gap final GC last year:
O'Connor: 2:24 - 1:01 (2023 is 1:13 better)
Haig: 3:03 - 2:33 (2023 is 0:30 better)
Meintjes: 4:19 - 2:37 (2023 is 1:42 better)
Chavez: 4:31 - 2:38 (2023 is 1:53 better)
Johannessen: 4:51 - 3:11 (2023 is 1:40 better)
But more than that, he rides like a different rider. This is the first race I have seen him in, where he actually looks like a selfconfident captain.
- Jul 7, 2013
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VAM of 1829 m/h on 8+% climbs is usually about 6.5 w/kg. I don't know how 6.75 w/kg was calculated, those algorithms vary too much regarding parametrization.
- Jul 18, 2020
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- Jun 30, 2022
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He gave 6.6-6.7 which is as far as I know less than 6.75, but I‘m not an expert, so I can‘t answer the problem.
- Jul 7, 2013
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It says 6.6-6.7 w/kg so less than 6.75 w/kg. Maybe the fact that he was going alone most of the time upped estimations. Hard to say but there are definitely inconsistencies in those w/kg estimations (for climbs with very similar gradients and VAM).
- Feb 20, 2012
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Big difference here is AP gives a Vingegaard specific number, whereas Vayer uses an etalon number which is probably set for 65 kg, and lighter riders do higher W/kg, meaning a 6.75 etalon guesstimate for a 65kg rider is quite a bit higher than a 6.6 estimate for a 59kg rider.
- Jul 18, 2020
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You're right. I thought vayer said 6.65, but it was 6.75.
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