Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Red Rick]

There's a few comments and moments over the last ~12 months that suggest to me Vingegaard is either really naturally passive or doesn't beleive in himself as much as he should.

1. Ventoux attack was really late on the climb. But it can be excused by Van Aert being up the road I guess
2. Saying he had bad legs on Luz Ardiden when he got 2nd.
3. His comments about his win on Col de Granon, about not being sure he should attack Pogacar and thinking about not doing it. I think it was super obvious Pogacar was suffering like a dog on Granon even before he got dropped.
4. No moves on Alpe d'Huez yesterday. Very defensive strategy by Jumbo. This can be down to Jumo, but he did close Pogacar very easily, but he didn't even try to counter once.

 

[Netserk]

Fear of Pogi, loss aversion, and a lack of confidence. I don't think the team helps with the first two. I hope he will have enough confidence to counter Pogi on Hautacam, it would be such a shame not to get a true measure of the hierarchy when both are at their best.

 

[staubsauger]

There's a few comments and moments over the last ~12 months that suggest to me Vingegaard is either really naturally passive or doesn't beleive in himself as much as he should.

1. Ventoux attack was really late on the climb. But it can be excused by Van Aert being up the road I guess
2. Saying he had bad legs on Luz Ardiden when he got 2nd.
3. His comments about his win on Col de Granon, about not being sure he should attack Pogacar and thinking about not doing it. I think it was super obvious Pogacar was suffering like a dog on Granon even before he got dropped.
4. No moves on Alpe d'Huez yesterday. Very defensive strategy by Jumbo. This can be down to Jumo, but he did close Pogacar very easily, but he didn't even try to counter once.

Frankly, Vingegaard is no Rasmussen!

 

[CyclistAbi]

I wouldn't make much prediction based on stage 11. There Pogi was delivered to the hill half beaten. Best to wait for a couple of stages and races where they face each other mano-a-mano. To make more conclusions.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Nice evolution. Fish factory > Chris Harper > Yellow jersey

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

His physique is obviously above the average rider's, but it might not be above Pogacar, Roglic or peak Froome's for instance.

or it might... after all

 

[CyclistAbi]

It's on him indeed to prove the doubters wrong. Still personally i will take a couple of races to decide.

 

[Rackham]

There's a few comments and moments over the last ~12 months that suggest to me Vingegaard is either really naturally passive or doesn't beleive in himself as much as he should.

1. Ventoux attack was really late on the climb. But it can be excused by Van Aert being up the road I guess
2. Saying he had bad legs on Luz Ardiden when he got 2nd.
3. His comments about his win on Col de Granon, about not being sure he should attack Pogacar and thinking about not doing it. I think it was super obvious Pogacar was suffering like a dog on Granon even before he got dropped.
4. No moves on Alpe d'Huez yesterday. Very defensive strategy by Jumbo. This can be down to Jumo, but he did close Pogacar very easily, but he didn't even try to counter once.

I'd say the team sporting directors & structure is responsible for however this race is going right now for Vingegaard. They'll micromanage from here on like it's 2020 all over again. Roglic actually complained about the tactics they employed in that TdF, but like him in 2020, I doubt Vingegaard has any say whatsoever in how they now proceed tactically. Jumbo will be back in their comfort zone, aka defensive robotic racing with a train.

On Alpe I can totally imagine Maassen & Niermann in the team cars shouting 'ride defensive', 'no need to waste energy', 'we have a big enough gap already', 'it's up to Pogacar now', 'just follow', 'wait for Sepp he's right there behind you' etc.

I bet they're the ones who told him when to attack on Granon as well.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

or it might... after all

He just has some of that magic Pogacar blood.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Looked in control today.
The final mountain stages finishes on the mount Doom of Danish cyling. On that stage you also have the climb where in 2007 the forces of goond prevailed against evil.
Should be a good omen for him.

 

[Netserk]

Looked in control today.
The final mountain stages finishes on the mount Doom of Danish cyling. On that stage you also have the climb where in 2007 the forces of goond prevailed against evil.
Should be a good omen for him.

His greatest challenge will be after the stage.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Totally in the zone. Don't see where he can loose this Tour.

 

[Finn84]

Yeah, can we please get Harper out and Rasmussen in. The similarities to 2007 are too striking to be a coincidence by now.

How Rasmussen originally got the yellow jersey wasn't similar to Vingegaard however.

 

[Rollthedice]

There's a few comments and moments over the last ~12 months that suggest to me Vingegaard is either really naturally passive or doesn't beleive in himself as much as he should.

1. Ventoux attack was really late on the climb. But it can be excused by Van Aert being up the road I guess
2. Saying he had bad legs on Luz Ardiden when he got 2nd.
3. His comments about his win on Col de Granon, about not being sure he should attack Pogacar and thinking about not doing it. I think it was super obvious Pogacar was suffering like a dog on Granon even before he got dropped.
4. No moves on Alpe d'Huez yesterday. Very defensive strategy by Jumbo. This can be down to Jumo, but he did close Pogacar very easily, but he didn't even try to counter once.

It doesn't matter, one attack seems enough until now to win the Tour, whether he was in doubt or someone told him to go for it. It is the first time he is in the driver's seat at the biggest cycling event in the world. All he needs to do is follow one dude, nothing special, no crazy stunts.

Maybe he will evolve in the future or maybe he'll be the same passive rider with a thousand watts at his diaposal, time will tell.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

(Please excuse my horrible handwriting)

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Hey guys, I read Jonas Vingegaard crashed today? I hope he is not hurt?…

Sadly, he today lost Roglic and Kruiswijk. That is bad, with regards to the last six stages. Now UAE have six riders, and Jumbo have six.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Hey guys, I read Jonas Vingegaard crashed today? I hope he is not hurt?…

Sadly, he today lost Roglic and Kruiswijk. That is bad, with regards to the last six stages. Now UAE have six riders, and Jumbo have six.

He is good. Not a heavy fall

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

He is good. Not a heavy fall

Ok, thank you - much appreciated

 

[ciranda]

I looked through the danish news sites and can't find where he says the last climb was easy like that twitter user claims. Is there a video?

Here's the actual quotes (ie in news outlets) about the toughness of the stage and a little about tomorrow's stage.

- I hoped to win the stage of course. But a finish like this one was a little too explosive for me. And it should probably have been harder, that's easy to say, but I don't think they (UAE) raced as hard on the last climb as on the second last, which I thought was the hardest.

- Of course it was hard to follow. When there's only three guys left it has not been easy. So of course it was megahard and you have to fight for it.

- I expected more attacks. At least I didn't think he wouldn't try.

- A finish such as this doesn't suit me. It's like PDBF and I think the stage thursday will suit me better. It was a hard day because Tadej had good attacks but thankfully I was able to follow.

sources: dr.dk, jyllands-posten.dk, tv2.dk

 

[Valv.Piti]

He said it on TV that they didnt go as fast as the previous climb which was obviously correct. At the same time, he implied he would have no problem following a harder tempo, suggesting that it would benefit him.

The question then is, why are you not making it harder yourself?

 

[Miha81]

Based on UAE reaction their plan was to to attack on Col d’Azet and go solo into the last climb. According to Hauptman when they could not distance Vingo it was just about the stage win at the last climb.

Although Pogi says he will try until the end (obviously he will) I think they are realizing that Vingo has to have an off day or some other type of bad luck to stand a chance to go for a TDF victory.

 

[ciranda]

He said it on TV that they didnt go as fast as the previous climb which was obviously correct. At the same time, he implied he would have no problem following a harder tempo, suggesting that it would benefit him.

The question then is, why are you not making it harder yourself?

right I just wanted to figure out if he said the things twitter man reported

 

[Blobs]

right I just wanted to figure out if he said the things twitter man reported

He didn't say it was easy. I don't know why that guy on twitter claims that. Also didn't say anything about fresh legs.

 

[Blobs]

He said it on TV that they didnt go as fast as the previous climb which was obviously correct. At the same time, he implied he would have no problem following a harder tempo, suggesting that it would benefit him.

The question then is, why are you not making it harder yourself?

Probably because he doesn't want to put his nose in the wind and risk losing time to Pog. Makes sense to just stay in his wheel, even if it's a bit boring.

 

[ciranda]

He didn't say it was easy. I don't know why that guy on twitter claims that. Also didn't say anything about fresh legs.

thanks! I thought it was out of character so wanted to investigate.