Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Valv.Piti]

Lol at that Naichaca-guy. "There's 1000% that Im correct".. and therefore, Amatti is wrong. What a douchebag honestly.

 

[Andy schleck]

Lol at that Naichaca-guy. "There's 1000% that Im correct".. and therefore, Amatti is wrong. What a douchebag honestly.

Naichaca is a idiot with a giant ego.

 

[Andy schleck]

You always have to take watts estimates with a grain of salt, but from the climbing performances in the first week it actually looks like Pogacar is going better when there’s more fatigue in the legs.

On the last ~15 minutes of stage 9, Pogacar did a very similar (probably slightly better) performance to stage 5, while Vingegaard was significantly worse. The main difference being that Puy de Dôme is a 35min climb over-all and Marie Blanque is a 20min in climb.

On stage 6, Vingagaard’s Tourmalet effort was right in line with what he did on Marie Blanque, with Pogacar again slightly better. Then on Cautarets both riders understandably saw a bit of a drop-off because of the very hard stage they had had, but Vingegaard again had a much bigger drop in level compared to Pogacar.

So overall it would seem Pogacar did have a bit of an off day on stage 5, but otherwise has been much better at maintaining his numbers with more fatigue in the legs, even though that is contrary to the general assumption of their respective abilities.

The "problem" about tourmalet is that if you look at ammattipyoraily results, pogacar benefited a lot from the draft. It made a huge difference. On col de marie blanque is difficult to benefit from the draft because it's more steep.

 

[Nick2413]

You always have to take watts estimates with a grain of salt, but from the climbing performances in the first week it actually looks like Pogacar is going better when there’s more fatigue in the legs.

On the last ~15 minutes of stage 9, Pogacar did a very similar (probably slightly better) performance to stage 5, while Vingegaard was significantly worse. The main difference being that Puy de Dôme is a 35min climb over-all and Marie Blanque is a 20min in climb.

On stage 6, Vingagaard’s Tourmalet effort was right in line with what he did on Marie Blanque, with Pogacar again slightly better. Then on Cautarets both riders understandably saw a bit of a drop-off because of the very hard stage they had had, but Vingegaard again had a much bigger drop in level compared to Pogacar.

So overall it would seem Pogacar did have a bit of an off day on stage 5, but otherwise has been much better at maintaining his numbers with more fatigue in the legs, even though that is contrary to the general assumption of their respective abilities.

That’s sort of my take but we have yet to see a stage with 4000m of gain, let alone 5400m gain on Loze stage coming up, and that should really show who handles the hard stages best.

 

[Andy schleck]

"Him calling me arrogant is the last thing I expected" - Jonas Vingegaard responds to Andy Schleck

Andy Schleck has commented on the two big favourites for this year's Tour de France, on what he felt of the two with his point of view on the ground. His statements on Jonas Vingegaard were not so pos...

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For those saying thay vingegaard doesn't show personality, there's some personality right there.

"I don't care what andy schleck thinks".

I hope he cares what i say. I think he said that, to the true andy schleck, not for me!

 

[Nick2413]

I can barely think of a single rider that gives less arrogant vibes than Vingegaard, but obviously gotta drum up drama for the clicks.

 

[nightowl]

The "problem" about tourmalet is that if you look at ammattipyoraily results, pogacar benefited a lot from the draft. It made a huge difference. On col de marie blanque is difficult to benefit from the draft because it's more steep.

Well yes I was taking this into account with the points I made. Looking at the estimates Vingegaard did ~6.9 w/kg on Tourmalet vs ~7 w/kg on Marie Blanque - which given the altitude I would say is at about the same
performance level. Pogacar did ~6.75 w/kg on Tourmalet because of the drafting, vs ~6.7 w/kg on Marie Blanque - so clearly better than stage 5 but not quite on the level of Vingegaard.

Edit: I suppose it’s also possible that Marie Blanque was a much bigger outlier for Pogacar, and that he actually just has better watts across the board. After all we don’t actually know what he could have done on Tourmalet had he needed to do anything other than sit on Vingegaards wheel. Personably though I think this is less likely - that would mean he was actually capable of over 7 w/kg on stage 5 which seems to be a bit far-fetched

 

[BillyTwinner]

what a crazy start
We shall see brutality today

 

[solo80k]

Why was Jonas engaged in the JV sprint finish yesterday? He should leave his energy for the weekend.

 

[Red Rick]

Lol at that Naichaca-guy. "There's 1000% that Im correct".. and therefore, Amatti is wrong. What a douchebag honestly.

Did you miss him celebrating Evenepoel getting COVID because he thought Evenepoel was surely a lock to go to the Tour now?

 

[Andy schleck]

Lol at that Naichaca-guy. "There's 1000% that Im correct".. and therefore, Amatti is wrong. What a douchebag honestly.

What is the true name of naichaca? What he did of relevant in the past inside the world of professional cycling?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Did you miss him celebrating Evenepoel getting COVID because he thought Evenepoel was surely a lock to go to the Tour now?

What a stupid mofo

 

[RedheadDane]

What is the true name of naichaca? What he did of relevant in the past inside the world of professional cycling?

I've been wondering that too. Who is that guy?

 

[Netserk]

What is the true name of naichaca? What he did of relevant in the past inside the world of professional cycling?

You could ask the same of ammattipyoraily and it would be just as irrelevant.

Naichaca's name is literally written in his twitter bio. It's no secret. Who cares?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I've been wondering that too. Who is that guy?

A guy who used to claim Vlasov was a sprinter, if I remember correctly.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Jumbo went for it all setting a monster pace on Vinge’s kind of stage and the result is Vinge getting dropped for awhile and a net +1 second. While great they gained time, for now, they can’t look at this as much of a victory considering they were hoping for more and UAE completely derailed their train. The stages are getting spicer and spicer.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I think he should have attacked when he got back on, but I obviously don't know how he was feeling. But letting Pogačar recover was always a risk ahead of the final km of the climb.

Still I think he should be happy enough with the result.

 

[Red Rick]

Jumbo went for it all setting a monster pace on Vinge’s kind of stage and the result is Vinge getting dropped for awhile and a net +1 second. While great they gained time, for now, they can’t look at this as much of a victory considering they were hoping for more and UAE completely derailed their train. The stages are getting spicer and spicer.

He closed the gap.

I think this is encouraging.

 

[Berniece]

He closed the gap.

I think this is encouraging.

Not sure they’ll see it like this. The whole idea is make it as hard as possible and Pogacar will break. Might still happen but now it looks like Pogacar is stronger.

If they finish with the two of them, Pogacar will take bonus seconds. It’ll come down to the TT

 

[Red Rick]

Not sure they’ll see it like this. The whole idea is make it as hard as possible and Pogacar will break. Might still happen but now it looks like Pogacar is stronger.

If they finish with the two of them, Pogacar will take bonus seconds. It’ll come down to the TT

Typically you don't get brought back when you're in front and you're stronger.

 

[Berniece]

Typically you don't get brought back when you're in front and you're stronger.

Typically motors don’t block your attack and who knows what might have happened. Vingegaard never attacked so he definitely isn’t the stronger one

 

[Biketowork]

I think Jumbo's tactics will reap benefits tomorrow.

 

[Ripper]

I think he should have attacked when he got back on, but I obviously don't know how he was feeling. But letting Pogačar recover was always a risk ahead of the final km of the climb.

Still I think he should be happy enough with the result.

The risk is being countered by Pog when you are already isolated is not really an ideal circumstance. Obviously Vigo is risk averse

 

[Ripper]

Not sure they’ll see it like this. The whole idea is make it as hard as possible and Pogacar will break. Might still happen but now it looks like Pogacar is stronger.

If they finish with the two of them, Pogacar will take bonus seconds. It’ll come down to the TT

You could be right, but tomorrow and Stage 17 are really nasty. If there is even a crack in either rider in those two stages, it could be quite damaging.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He must do the TT of his life otherwise he is screwed