Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Cookster15]

Anyways, I always found it strange if he could bounce back if shape was the problem.

Maybe you are right he and his team made mistakes. But mistakes can be learned from. As for bouncing back, he never bounced back from Loze.

 

[Froome]

He's training outside again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1787804004728164723

He is so fu***** back! Great news.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He is so fu***** back! Great news.

Oh, you're back too. Not so great news.

I kid, welcome back.

 

[Froome]

Skeletor back on the road again. We dont know how injuries will affect his form but judging by his comments I wouldnt rule out him appearing in decent shape at the start of the Tour. Will Visma LAB allow sub 100% level? Time will tell. Teddy had better save some of his Giro efforts for later as his kryptonite might be back in July!

Like i said some weeks ago, even if he starts the Tour a bit cooked like in the Vuelta 2023, not at 100%, i like his chances of winning the race, if he is able to improve in the first 2 weeks and get's in peak shape in the last week of the Tour where everything will be decided on Plateau de beille, Isola 2000, Couillolle and the last TT.

 

[Froome]

I don't think it's a psyop at all. I think it's... their job. And Vingegaard's job as well.

He's required (& so is the team) to make all the sacrifices & efforts possible to work towards the goal which the paying sponsors want, aka the Tour. There's no need to read too much into any of these announcements, i.e. it's simply expected of them.

Whether he's in condition to challenge for yellow is an entirely different conversation because there's simply no humanely possible way he won't be affected in July by a month off the bike in April after a serious injury.

I don't think he was a month off the bike. Maybe two weeks. Certainly he was already on the stationary bike.

I don't believe they will risk anything with Vingegaard's health. They will not risky anything with one of his most important riders. They can't afford to risk his health when he is still young and can give to them a lot of victories in the next years. They will not risk anything because one Tour France.

If they will go with Vingegaard to the Tour, that's because there will no problems with his health.

 

[Hugh Januss]

You did what?

Probably before your time young lady. Casts used to be made out of plaster of paris and gauze and when they got wet enough they would just melt and turn back to just gauze kind of held together by pudding.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Probably before your time young lady. Casts used to be made out of plaster of paris and gauze and when they got wet enough they would just melt and turn back to just gauze kind of held together by pudding.

I was under the impression RHD was old and tiny?

 

[kn0s]

Maybe you are right he and his team made mistakes. But mistakes can be learned from. As for bouncing back, he never bounced back from Loze.

One more stage win is not exactly dead and gone.

UAE often get criticized for bad tactics and other mistakes, but they make up for it with money and raw rider talent.

My opinion is that it's more or less the same with Pogacar. For all his fantastic attributes, any particular race intelligence is not one of them. He doesn't need it(mostly), his genetics are simply second to none. But when the competition is equal or in some instances better, any little mistake is punished hard and suddenly you are forth in a two man sprint.

 

[RedheadDane]

Probably before your time young lady. Casts used to be made out of plaster of paris and gauze and when they got wet enough they would just melt and turn back to just gauze kind of held together by pudding.

I know what plaster casts are.
I thought you deliberately melted it by... I dunno...

 

[noob]

I've been reading this thread since the accident.
As someone who has experienced a neumothorax let me try to explain.
Lungs are delicate.
I was in hospital for three weeks. I was 17 years old. It was pure torture. This happened to me more than 40 years ago. I still ride my bike.
A neumothorax is bad, it is extremely painful. I remember feeling that my heart had moved to the centre of my body.
Obviously Jonas has had much better medical help then I recieved.
Let me just say, when I got home I could not walk more than 50metres. It took me six months before I could go back to school.

This is the point I want to make:

In today's video listen to how Jonas is breathing *after* he has spoken. It is as though he is suffering from pulmonary fibrosis. He is out of breadth. He is not well. He needs a holiday and something proper too eat - in order for his body to recover its strength after the trauma.

This was my thought too. He can't breath properly, he ain't moving his upper body even a bit when talking. He shows zero enthusiasm to do anything. Even standing there looks like pure torture

 

[scribers]

I find it very hard to believe that he'll be even competitive at the Tour.
Imo just a smoke and mirrors psyop by him and the team to mess with the other teams.

I think it is cruel to his super fans to do this

 

[FanBoi]

Plugge has high hopes for Jonas. In two weeks they will know whetter it's possible or not.

"As far as Jonas is concerned, the Tour is not out of the question for us,' Plugge repeated his leader's words. 'We will see. We will only go to the Tour with Jonas if he is one hundred percent. He is someone who picks it up quickly and has staggering talent. In a maximum of two weeks we will know the answer to whether the Tour is feasible. Not before. I still have high hopes for it,” Plugge stated.​

“Van Aert staat verder dan Vingegaard”: CEO Plugge na de dreun in het voorjaar voor Visma-Lease a Bike

Visma-Lease a Bike heeft dankzij Cian Uijtdebroeks de witte trui van beste jongere in het bezit, maar het primaire doel - ritwinst - lukte nog niet. CEO Richard Plugge wil in de <a href="https://www.hln.be/giro/" target="_blank">Giro </a>de rug rechten na het missen van een zege in een monument...

www.hln.be

 

[Rackham]

Plugge has high hopes for Jonas. In two weeks they will know whetter it's possible or not.

"As far as Jonas is concerned, the Tour is not out of the question for us,' Plugge repeated his leader's words. 'We will see. We will only go to the Tour with Jonas if he is one hundred percent. He is someone who picks it up quickly and has staggering talent. In a maximum of two weeks we will know the answer to whether the Tour is feasible. Not before. I still have high hopes for it,” Plugge stated.​

“Van Aert staat verder dan Vingegaard”: CEO Plugge na de dreun in het voorjaar voor Visma-Lease a Bike

Visma-Lease a Bike heeft dankzij Cian Uijtdebroeks de witte trui van beste jongere in het bezit, maar het primaire doel - ritwinst - lukte nog niet. CEO Richard Plugge wil in de <a href="https://www.hln.be/giro/" target="_blank">Giro </a>de rug rechten na het missen van een zege in een monument...

www.hln.be

When he goes to the Tour & Rogla beats him, I'm so totally going to say Vingegaard was at 100% just because Plugge said so.

 

[dazaau]

A maximum of two weeks, but not before, is quite vaguely specific.

 

[Cassirer]

This was my thought too. He can't breath properly, he ain't moving his upper body even a bit when talking. He shows zero enthusiasm to do anything. Even standing there looks like pure torture

Being forced to pose in front of some smartphone cam for a tiktok/twitter-update instead of riding his bike clearly is pure agony for him. He's not as versatile as pog!

 

[Froome]

A maximum of two weeks, but not before, is quite vaguely specific.

Probably they are just communicating this way, by a bit of precaution. The decision is taken, Vingegaard and WVA will be at the Tour.

 

[Netserk]

Probably they are just communicating this way, by a bit of precaution. The decision is taken, Vingegaard and WVA will be at the Tour.

I don't think so. I think it's still hard for even them to know what kind of shape he can achieve for the Tour.

 

[Froome]

I don't think so. I think it's still hard for even them to know what kind of shape he can achieve for the Tour.

Contador, optimista con Vingegaard en su vuelta a los entrenamientos: "Creo que estará en el Tour"

Jonas Vingegaard volvió a entrenar este martes por primera vez desde su grave caída en la Itzulia. El corredor danés afirmó que hará "todo lo posible" por llegar al próximo Tour de Francia, a lo que Alberto Contador, en 'La Montonera' de la 4ª etapa del Giro de Italia 2024, añadió que cree que...

www.eurosport.es

I have the same opinion of Contador. He will be there, let's see in what kind of shape.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

A maximum of two weeks, but not before, is quite vaguely specific.

His clone comes out of cryo that wednesday at 14h35 CET.

 

[Berniece]

Contador, optimista con Vingegaard en su vuelta a los entrenamientos: "Creo que estará en el Tour"

Jonas Vingegaard volvió a entrenar este martes por primera vez desde su grave caída en la Itzulia. El corredor danés afirmó que hará "todo lo posible" por llegar al próximo Tour de Francia, a lo que Alberto Contador, en 'La Montonera' de la 4ª etapa del Giro de Italia 2024, añadió que cree que...

www.eurosport.es

I have the same opinion of Contador. He will be there, let's see in what kind of shape.

Indeed, it's also ridiculous to say he'll only be there if he's at 100%. I would still let Vingegaard go to the Tour if he's at 95%. Just ride it like Remco did the Vuelta last year.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Indeed, it's also ridiculous to say he'll only be there if he's at 100%. I would still let Vingegaard go to the Tour if he's at 95%. Just ride it like Remco did the Vuelta last year.

So we can laugh about how he can't climb!
Seriously though, if he's fully recovered (healed) they can send him, even if his form is not there yet. They don't really have alternatives anyway. I doubt they think Kuss can win the Tour. See how it goes, if GC is not an option, he can go for stages or he can just ride it to get into form.

 

[Mlarsen]

Latest news the 8th of may about JV.
(Remember to select automatic translation and then select the language of your country. At least it works in English.)

 

[Froome]

Latest news the 8th of may about JV.
(Remember to select automatic translation and then select the language of your country. At least it works in English.)

Can you tell the news he said about Vingegaard? It's not possible to select other language.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Based on that video, I've just put all my money on him to win every race he rides until 2029.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Can you tell the news he said about Vingegaard? It's not possible to select other language.

They've seen him go out for a training ride, which may have lasted about 3 hours, and they believe he looked fine on the bike for the few moments they caught of it.

But since they didn't really see him train, who knows what he actually did for most of those 3 hours?

Maybe he got rebooted, watched the Giro, got stuck in a loop of cat videos, listened to those 3000 new Taylor Swift songs, or rode to the nearest McDonalds and ate his guts out, because he wanted to feel alive after eating hospital food for too long.