Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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I can see a similar scenario to Remco in 2021 Giro.
I don't know how long Evenepoel was back training then, but I think it was longer than Vingegaard.

Basically it sounds like at best he can do a single block of training at intensity before the TdF.
 
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Most promising news yet from Vingegaards coach:

"Every time the messages we've got are that he's improving so fast"
"Every day we've been keeping in touch with each other and every day it's going in the direction of maybe doing some normal training again in just a matter of time."
"Hopefully, he'll be able to join a part of the preparation with all the other riders. We have a team going now to Sierra Nevada preparing and then that team will also go to the Criterium du Dauphine and then to Tignes."
"Maybe it's just training all the way and there might be no race, but it will depend also on what the feedback from Jonas will be in the next two to three weeks.
Seems to be going well. It's interesting that Heemskerk doesn't rule out race days before the tour yet, and that he suggest he can be going to Tignes.
Probably he will go to Switzerland very soon and then Tignes.
I don't know how long Evenepoel was back training then, but I think it was longer than Vingegaard.

Basically it sounds like at best he can do a single block of training at intensity before the TdF.
The second block of training at intensity will be the first 2 weeks of the Tour.

Maybe he will start the Tour, in the same shape he started the Vuelta 2023.
 
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Probably he will go to Switzerland very soon and then Tignes.

The second block of training at intensity will be the first 2 weeks of the Tour.

Maybe he will start the Tour, in the same shape he started the Vuelta 2023.
How much time does he lose getting the hard miles in on climbs like San Luca or Galibier?
 
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Enough to be out of contention for the win.

Every indication is basically he's expected to have less quality training than when he lines up to friggin Gran Camino in February
This. UAE is too scared of Vingegaard to let him build his shape throughout the Tour so fireworks are expected already in stage 1 if Vingegaard is in the race.
 
How much time does he lose getting the hard miles in on climbs like San Luca or Galibier?
Depends on the shape he starts the Tour.

If he starts the Tour in the shape of the Vuelta 2023 and improves until the third week like a lot of riders did in the past, he have a chance of winning the Tour, and i don't expect him to lose that much time in the first two weeks(i don't believe he loses time on Galibier).

If he gets worse, during the Tour, better to get out of race and going to the Vuelta.

I expect that Visma doesn't mess up, and just let him go to the Tour, if he can go in a acceptable shape (like the Vuelta last year). If can't fight for the GC better not put him in the race and focus on the Vuelta.
 
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44 days and still not training normally.

Clearly improving so fast only emphasizes how bad it was before
After reading that those quotes are almost 2 weeks old. How do you know that he is still not training normally today?

It sounded to me like he was only days away from normal training and that was almost 2 weeks ago. For all we know he could already be in Switzerland and training normally. His coach said it himself. "We know these guys are mentally really tough but also can recover really fast. At the time of crashing these guys are already really fit, they're not the average athlete."
 
After reading that those quotes are almost 2 weeks old. How do you know that he is still not training normally today?

It sounded to me like he was only days away from normal training and that was almost 2 weeks ago. For all we know he could already be in Switzerland and training normally. His coach said it himself. "We know these guys are mentally really tough but also can recover really fast. At the time of crashing these guys are already really fit, they're not the average athlete."
View: https://twitter.com/allergy_al/status/1790700468164841680


He was spotted again this week in Denmark.
 
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It took me less time to Google this than it did for you to write this comment: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18806550/

I did kind of think it was common knowledge or common sense that exercise caused inflammation, also that exercise is a kind of controlled damage to the body from which the body must later recover. Inflammation is a sign that the body is doing repairs. Is this news to anyone?

I never said these are the exact same processes, but I pointed to one factor that is correlated with rate of repair from both kinds of damage. It's highly likely if you're good at one kind of recovery you will be good at the other.
Possibly. Not necessarily predictable which is why no doctor suggested I ride my indoor trainer excessively while recovering from surgery involving surgery around nerve repairs, grafted tendons and arteries. The concern for impact on that healing surpassed any possible gain and the prescription was almost always low level steroids and rest. The risk for setback was too high. Higher levels of steroids to alleviate painful impact on nerves and implants were used with no-load mobilization.
That said; emphasis on lower level aerobic activity (indoor trainer) was tolerated as an inflammation reducer and encouraged range of motion if it was an issue. Being a stupid cyclist helped being motivated to try harder and ignore minor discomfort. Nerve pain, not so much.
 
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Possibly. Not necessarily predictable which is why no doctor suggested I ride my indoor trainer excessively while recovering from surgery involving surgery around nerve repairs, grafted tendons and arteries. The concern for impact on that healing surpassed any possible gain and the prescription was almost always low level steroids and rest. The risk for setback was too high. Higher levels of steroids to alleviate painful impact on nerves and implants were used with no-load mobilization.
That said; emphasis on lower level aerobic activity (indoor trainer) was tolerated as an inflammation reducer and encouraged range of motion if it was an issue. Being a stupid cyclist helped being motivated to try harder and ignore minor discomfort. Nerve pain, not so much.
Huh? did something I say imply that vingegaard could exercise his way to a faster recovery?
 
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Some rumours say that he is in Sierra Nevada since yesterday, also Marca is saying that now in his website.
I don´t know if it´s true and it seems strange (although one in particular is normally a reliable spotter in the area).
 
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Some rumours say that he is in Sierra Nevada since yesterday, also Marca is saying that now in his website.
I don´t know if it´s true and it seems strange (although one in particular is normally a reliable spotter in the area).
He is on course to be at his best in the Tour! Happy days.
 
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It wouldn't fit much with what his coach was saying, so it may have been fake news or a confusion with some other Visma cyclist who has some similarity I guess :sweatsmile:
 
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Too many conflicting messages in this thread now. Should I be listening to Air Supply's All Out of Love, or Higher Love by Steve Winwood? Or Mr. Roboto? Or Land of Confusion? (I haven't listened to any new music since the mid 1980's, and I wasn't even alive then)
 
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🗣️ "I haven't listened to any new music since the mid 1980's, and I wasn't even alive then."

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