Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Berniece]

He can be quite happy with his TT. If his form keeps going up, I can still see him win it

 

[FroomeWagon]

I'm not sure if he'll be the strongest in the last week, but if he is, he will win the Tour.

Let's not forget his team is much weaker than last years without Kuss, Van Baarle, Kruijswijk and a strong WVA.

 

[meat puppet]

During the second week last year the question was whether Vinge is eerily confident or deluded implying that he will win the tour by minutes. Maybe he is just confident again.

But as others have said, visma is a lot weaker (unless they all magically peak on the last week), so riding Pogo into the ground would be a truly insane task. All in all, it's still hard to see Vinge turning the race around, although he can probably be content with the losses so far and did a good TT.

Cannot lose time on the gravel stage tho.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Lost muscle in hospital bed ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809267240950243342

View: https://x.com/itvcycling/status/1809267240950243342

You get atrophy from being in the bed and not moving around. Unfortunately very common, especially with older patients. That’s why it’s important they get up and moving even if it’s just to the chair ASAP.

 

[slim charles]

Lost muscle in hospital bed ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809267240950243342

View: https://x.com/itvcycling/status/1809267240950243342

Like with the 'i expected to lose 2 minutes' this has a feel of trying to cheer himself up rather than actually being confident. Which is understandable, obviously, he himself doesn't really know how his body will react in a week's time.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I lost muscle but I still hope to have the same power.

I mean, who even needs muscles for power?

 

[memyselfandI]

It's quite difficult for Vingo to win alone this Tour it's sad but true, no matter how well his form and fitness develops. Team is so thin for this task atm. Can Visma find help from Ineos against UAE?

 

[Medvind]

Better than I thougt from Vinge. With Giro in his legs and the final tt after two brutal mountain stages Pog could lose a minute to Vinge on the last tt stage. This is not over. Assuming of course that Vinge will be as good in the 3rd week as in the last two tours, which of course is not a given.

 

[Netserk]

It's a leading question, he doesn't confirm that he is lighter now than last year, just that he lost muscle while in hospital.

 

[AmRacer]

It's a leading question, he doesn't confirm that he is lighter now than last year, just that he lost muscle while in hospital.

He still looks like Skeletor too me.

 

[ice&fire]

He still looks like Skeletor too me.

If he's lost muscle he is more skeletor than ever

 

[ppanther92]

It's quite difficult for Vingo to win alone this Tour it's sad but true, no matter how well his form and fitness develops. Team is so thin for this task atm. Can Visma find help from Ineos against UAE?

As for Pogacar in the last 2 years, I think team is overstated. It only really matters on a long range attack on multiple mountain stages. If Vingegaard is stronger and attacks on a mountain finish with a few km out, what is UAE supposed to do?

 

[Froome]

The last ITT will be very different, because Vingegaard will do the weird thing with the legs.
When he does that, is game over.

 

[skippo12]

As for Pogacar in the last 2 years, I think team is overstated. It only really matters on a long range attack on multiple mountain stages. If Vingegaard is stronger and attacks on a mountain finish with a few km out, what is UAE supposed to do?

The narrative was that Visma went all out on multi mountain stages to make it as difficult as possible. Cumulative fatigue instead of just pacing one climb. Not sure if I agree with it but if that was the cause of Pog's weakness Vingegaard lacks the team to do it again this year.
So far it looks like UAE is happy to set a nuclear pace. If Vingegaard is stronger he can take advantage.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Last year I took seven-and-a-half minutes in two stages, so the power is there, and we just have to believe in our plan.

Psychological warfare in full flight! Quite opposite to buttering up by Remco. Will Teddy sleep tonight?

 

[Ripper]

Last year I took seven-and-a-half minutes in two stages, so the power is there, and we just have to believe in our plan.

Psychological warfare in full flight! Quite opposite to buttering up by Remco. Will Teddy sleep tonight?

Yup. The mind games.

Our TT bike will be 98% faster and 100 lbs lighter, we should go 33 minutes faster than a couple of months ago.

Well I gained 110 minutes in the last 2 hours last year.

LOL

 

[Froome]

Last year I took seven-and-a-half minutes in two stages, so the power is there, and we just have to believe in our plan.

Psychological warfare in full flight! Quite opposite to buttering up by Remco. Will Teddy sleep tonight?

Just like the "issue" of the muscles is mind games.
Nevertheless he is not being disrespectfull.

 

[Lorzenz08]

As for Pogacar in the last 2 years, I think team is overstated. It only really matters on a long range attack on multiple mountain stages. If Vingegaard is stronger and attacks on a mountain finish with a few km out, what is UAE supposed to do?

It's not only the attack a few km out of the mountain finish that matters.

It's the accumulated fatigue up to that point. The team allows you to get to that point as fresh as possible. The stronger the team, the fresher you arrive to that breaking point.

In 2022, Pogi was alone against 3 Visma during the Granon stage way before the last climb, Vingo and Roglic took turn while Pogi had 0 teammates .

In 2023, it was better, but still when Kuss was the last one to pull in front of Vingo for multiple kms, Pogi was alone.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Have to see Jonas' lung capabilities in 3rd week high mountains in this Tour edition, before I'll judge anything speaking a 3rd Tour victory.
In addition Pogi has been very determined learning his lesson from last year, in the small nuances e.g. holding back at the 3k mark at sprint stages, massive altitude training during spring/early summer this year.
In addition, Jonas seems under pressure when Pogi steps in for a few punches.
If UAE otherwise manages to come into character as a united team 2nd week and really grind the pace on the 9th and 11th stages, opening Jonas' wounds, then I could easily imagine not so much 'week 3 magic ' and that the picture could very well be turned upside down compared to last year and Jonas being the one cracking. On the other hand, I also expect Visma to have both plan B and C here to keep Jonas in his comfort zone as long as possible in week 2.
Nevertheless, still plenty of unknowns and with Rogla and Remco to spice it up and still quite open GC I expect some delicate and watchable situations.

 

[Froome]

Let's not forget his team is much weaker than last years without Kuss, Van Baarle, Kruijswijk and a strong WVA.

Yeah, but Emirates will have to make the race hard, because 33 s to Remco is not enough, and Vingegaard and Roglic are close.

Quick step will also have to do something, just like Bora. So, the super domestiques of the other teams, Landa, Hindley, Vlasov, Almeida, will also make the race hard in the mountains.

 

[YavorD]

Yeah, but Emirates will have to make the race hard, because 33 s to Remco is not enough, and Vingegaard and Roglic are close.

UAE doesn't need to make the race hard. At this point Pogacar can simply be a mountain sprinter. As long as he is not dropped 40-50 seconds and 1.30 on Remco and Vingegaard should be enough for the last TT.
It's up to Visma and Quick Step to do something at this point.

 

[TrekCyclist]

I guess Vingo has to see how his form is in the third week. It could go either way. Probably he has no clue at this moment, neither. Nevertheless, exremely remarkable that he is not only fighting for podium this year at all, but that he still is within striking distance to 1st.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yeah, but Emirates will have to make the race hard, because 33 s to Remco is not enough, and Vingegaard and Roglic are close.

Quick step will also have to do something, just like Bora. So, the super domestiques of the other teams, Landa, Hindley, Vlasov, Almeida, will also make the race hard in the mountains.

Pogacar will likely attack in the Pyrenees (or maybe even in the Massif Central) to get a bigger GC gap but at some point (likely the 3rd week) he will go into defensive mode, only sticking to wheels and sprinting at the end (and this version of Pogacar is difficult to get rid of, unless he has a crisis day).

 

[AmRacer]

Pogacar will likely attack in the Pyrenees (or maybe even in the Massif Central) to get a bigger GC gap but at some point (likely the 3rd week) he will go into defensive mode, only sticking to wheels and sprinting at the end (and this version of Pogacar is difficult to get rid of, unless he has a crisis day).

It all depends on how big time gap he has, and if he's confident he can do a good last ITT.

 

[memyselfandI]

As for Pogacar in the last 2 years, I think team is overstated. It only really matters on a long range attack on multiple mountain stages. If Vingegaard is stronger and attacks on a mountain finish with a few km out, what is UAE supposed to do?

Well from UAE perspective I think they should now attack in the climbs with Yates with Ayuso or Almeida and Pogi only sitting behind Vingo up to a point where Vingo reels them in, then Pogi goes. If Vingo goes with him, then Pogi shuts down. Now Yatesy, Ayuso, Almeida hits again until Ayuso or Almeida gets away. But it's just a theory because Remco and Carlito are playing with this too.