Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[memyselfandI]

Endurance seems Vingo's Achilles heel.

???

Like wth, he's won some GT's and Tirrenos and some..No endurance, right.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Hope he spanks Tadej hard in the mountains

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So what's your point? I replied to some who thought Vinge should try to ride more one-day races because he might do well in them with his engine. As you know he hasn't ridden many. I thought that Lombardy would be his best chance because the climbs are longer than in LBL.

I didn't claim he might be as good as Pog or Remco if he tried, that would be absurd. But you disagree he might stand a chance in Lombardy? Sure, would be very difficult if Pog was on the startline, but if he wasn't I give him a decent chance.

My point was that it's not because he's a great climber and TDF winner, that he automatically is a good at that sort of thing. He raced Lombardia and Liège 3 times each. His best result was 14th.

 

[Medvind]

On THEMOVE podcast Hincapie said he heard Vingegaard lost 8 lbs since last year. That can be right can it? Anyone know if there is a source that can verify this? Sure, when I compared Vinge on the tt bike in the tour last year to this year, he looked more muscular last year. But 8 lbs, that sounds nuts. If it's correct, I'm very impressed with his tt tide on stage 7 and that he could follow Pog's attacks quite good today.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

On THEMOVE podcast Hincapie said he heard Vingegaard lost 8 lbs since last year. That can be right can it? Anyone know if there is a source that can verify this? Sure, when I compared Vinge on the tt bike in the tour last year to this year, he looked more muscular last year. But 8 lbs, that sounds nuts. If it's correct, I'm very impressed with his tt tide on stage 7 and that he could follow Pog's attacks quite good today.

He now weighs minus 5kg.

On a more serious note, he said during some Zwift challenge last year that his normal competition weight was 58kg.

 

[memyselfandI]

I thought they talked about muscle mass loss he had in hospital and total rest period?

Could be bro science, one talks total weight loss, one talks lean mass loss..

 

[Froome]

On THEMOVE podcast Hincapie said he heard Vingegaard lost 8 lbs since last year. That can be right can it? Anyone know if there is a source that can verify this? Sure, when I compared Vinge on the tt bike in the tour last year to this year, he looked more muscular last year. But 8 lbs, that sounds nuts. If it's correct, I'm very impressed with his tt tide on stage 7 and that he could follow Pog's attacks quite good today.

He weighed 58 kg last year. I don't think he can weight even less.

 

[ppanther92]

Amount or stages/races won by Pogacar of over 200km: 13
Amount or stages/races won by Evenepoel of over 200km: 10
Amount or stages/races won by Vingegaard of over 200km: 0

Pogacar and Evenepoel have for sure a great endurance but that Vingegaard has not won a race over 200km is relatively easily explained. No mountain stage in prep races is that long, its very rare that a GT mountain stage is that long, he doesn't race one day races at all. I don't think he has any weakness there though.

E: his 2 tries at GdL and his 1 San Sebastian also wasn't too bad. So he is no Ulissi that drops as soon as the km mark crosses 200...

 

[Froome]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1810005115534750193

View: https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1810005115534750193/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1810005115534750193&currentTweetUser=vismaleaseabike

 

[Valv.Piti]

Vingegaard after being injured: Loses muscle mass, loses weight
Remco after being injured: Fatco, bodybuilder, 30 BMI

 

[Medvind]

He weighed 58 kg last year. I don't think he can weight even less.

He looks less muscular, but maybe my eyes betray me. Maybe about 1 kg less but hard to see it can be more.

On another note, Pidders said he weighed 57 kg this morning and pushed 280 watts for 4 hours today.

 

[Froome]

He looks less muscular, but maybe my eyes betray me. Maybe about 1 kg less but hard to see it can be more.

On another note, Pidders said he weighed 57 kg this morning and pushed 280 watts for 4 hours today.

Yeah, but Pidcock is 1.70 m. Vingegaard is 1.76 m.

So, is already impressive the fact Vingegaard is 58 kg. If now his weight is 57....unbeliavable.

 

[Medvind]

From an article on feltet.dk, translated to english

Jonas Vingegaard seemed in control, but then suddenly found himself in trouble on the gravel sector with about 22 kilometers to go in today's stage 9.

He explains why to NOS and Wielerflits.

Tadej Pogacar opened a gap to Vingegaard, who needed help from Christophe Laporte first and then Matteo Jorgenson to close it. But they managed it.

"It wasn't really my sector. The stones and gravel were so loose that it was difficult for a guy of my weight to just control the bike. So he got a gap there, but luckily I had super, super strong teammates who could save me. They always kept me in position for all the sectors," says Vingegaard.

On the last sector, about 12 kilometers later, Pogacar tried again, but this time Vingegaard was ahead of him.

"It depended on the sector (how hard it was to follow Pogacar, ed.), to be honest. When the gravel was better, not so loose, it wasn't that hard to keep up. But on that one sector where it was so loose, it was more favorable for him. He's heavier than me."

After the stage, Pogacar expressed his frustrations about Vingegaard's team, Visma's, defensive tactics. Vingegaard refused to lead with the Slovenian and Remco Evenepoel on multiple occasions.

"It's better for me to always have more teammates around me. When Wout (Van Aert) and Christophe are there, it's always better for me. Then they can help me," Vingegaard answers the question about why he didn't cooperate.

Vingegaard forklarer, hvorfor Pogacar slog hul

Jonas Vingegaard blev sat, men fik kæmpet sig tilbage til Tadej Pogacars hjul på 9. etape af Tour de France.

www.feltet.dk

 

[Izzyeviel]

He weighed 58 kg last year. I don't think he can weight even less.

God. Thats the same weight as me. Boy did I pick the wrong career.

Pogacar is 66kg if anyones wondering.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

God. Thats the same weight as me. Boy did I pick the wrong career.

Pogacar is 66kg if anyones wondering.

I read previously that Pogačar was supposed to be 63/64 kilos at the moment.

 

[Froome]

God. Thats the same weight as me. Boy did I pick the wrong career.

Pogacar is 66kg if anyones wondering.

You need to do some tests and see if you have also the same VO2 max as Vingegaard.

 

[Netserk]

I think he takes the polka-dots again.

 

[dennisdy]

After the stage, Pogacar complained that Visma wouldn't take a pull to distance the other GC contenders! He thinks that he knows what Visma's tactics should be! If Vingegaard helped Pogacar distance the other riders, Pogacar would eventually attack Vingegaard and put time into him!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Pogacar and Evenepoel have for sure a great endurance but that Vingegaard has not won a race over 200km is relatively easily explained. No mountain stage in prep races is that long, its very rare that a GT mountain stage is that long, he doesn't race one day races at all. I don't think he has any weakness there though.

E: his 2 tries at GdL and his 1 San Sebastian also wasn't too bad. So he is no Ulissi that drops as soon as the km mark crosses 200...

He raced Lombardia 3 times, as well as Liège. So he actually has 6 starts (one more than Evenepoel) and won 0, Evenepoel has 5 starts, of which he won 2. Both of them finished the race 4 times. Pogacar has 8 starts and won 5. Furthermore Vingegaard has done 49 races over 200km, he has been in the top 10 only 4 times of those 49. Evenepoel also has 49 races of over 200km, he has reached the top 10 however 20 times of which he won half. So the argument that he has raced less races is simply not true. Pogacar has 62 races over 200km, so not that much more, and he reached the top 10... 32 times.

I am not saying he is rubbish beyond 200km, or that it is impossible for him to win a long race or even monument, but so far he is clearly not in the same league there. That's all. No shame, just a simple observation. In order to take the fight to guys like Pogacar and Evenepoel, he'll need to improve in that regard.

 

[OJRvE]

After the stage, Pogacar complained that Visma wouldn't take a pull to distance the other GC contenders! He thinks that he knows what Visma's tactics should be! If Vingegaard helped Pogacar distance the other riders, Pogacar would eventually attack Vingegaard and put time into him!

I mean it’s in the medias interest to provoke a fight where they complain. And no I don’t think Pogs opinion is that he knows better than Visma what is the right strategy
This is btw the full quote from the article on this site

"Today me and Jonas could have ridden away from the other GC guys – or when it was me, Remco, and Jonas to secure the podium places more. It's just the way I'm seeing it, but everybody has their own race. I can't say anything against that. It's just the way it is."

 

[Froome]

After the stage, Pogacar complained that Visma wouldn't take a pull to distance the other GC contenders! He thinks that he knows what Visma's tactics should be! If Vingegaard helped Pogacar distance the other riders, Pogacar would eventually attack Vingegaard and put time into him!

The panic is starting to appear even more because they thought Vingegaard wasn't going to be competitive, and then they thought he would lose way more than 1 min and 15 s in the first part of the Tour.

Now, the fear of what can happen in the final week is even more visible.

Pneumotorax, multiple broken ribes, collarbone in April, could not train that much in the TT bike, couldn't train and recon the gravel stage, just 6 weeks of proper training, had a puncture and races with a bike of Tratnik who is not perfect for him, and they still complain about the fact he didn't pulled.

They should ask themselves why they didn’t had the balls to drop and eliminate hin for once, from the fight of the Tour.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

After the stage, Pogacar complained that Visma wouldn't take a pull to distance the other GC contenders! He thinks that he knows what Visma's tactics should be! If Vingegaard helped Pogacar distance the other riders, Pogacar would eventually attack Vingegaard and put time into him!

Evenepoel said the same thing. They are right from their perspective. Vingegaard is correct from his perspective. They can all say what they think and have a different opinion.

This may end up biting Visma in the ass though, there are scenario's imaginable where they might wish Vingegaard distanced Ayuso, Almeida, Roglic and Rodriguez today. Let's say in the last week, he is isolated in the mountains (not too hard to imagine), but Pog still has Almeida and Ayuso close in GC. One of those attacks (or both do, tagteam), now Vingegaard has to chase them because they are only a minute down in GC, so he can't risk it to let them go. If he had put them back 3 minutes today, there would be a lot less reason for him to chase them in such a scenario. Same with Roglic. Evenepoel and Rodriguez actually. So his passive/defensive way of riding today, could prove to be a risky tactic in the end.

 

[dobrien]

The panic is starting to appear even more because they thought Vingegaard wasn't going to be competitive, and then they thought he would lose way more than 1 min and 15 s in the first part of the Tour.

Now, the fear of what can happen in the final week is even more visible.

Pneumotorax, multiple broken ribes, collarbone in April, could not train that much in the TT bike, couldn't train and recon the gravel stage, just 6 weeks of proper training, had a puncture and races with a bike of Tratnik who is not perfect for him, and they still complain about the fact he didn't pulled.

They should ask themselves why they didn’t had the balls to drop and eliminate hin for once, from the fight of the Tour.

This for sure. Jonas is in vastly better position than I thought he was going to be at this point; he is one very tough nut to crack. I thought he rode super smart given everything you listed above. Just spending the day on Tratnik's bike by itself is pretty amazing. Chapeau to him!

We haven't seen any panic yet compared to what we're going to see if Pog can't drop him either Wednesday or Saturday, then things are going to start looking very serious indeed.

 

[Oldermanish]

He weighed 58 kg last year. I don't think he can weight even less.

8 lbs sounds like alot but the muscle attrophy from his shoulder alone could count for more than half that amount. If his indoor trainer regime and other weight training for rehab began seriously within 2 weeks he could maybe hit an equilibrium on further muscle loss. The kind of density that comes from racing I'm not sure about but for Tour prep they wouldn't want rehab to simply fatten him up.

Much of this can account for the limits he's showing in the TT and on today's stage. He's doing what he should do and nothing more although if he was Primoz he'd be accused of wheelsucking. He has to play the long game and not worry about fan judgement or taunts from Belgian guys.

 

[Froome]

This for sure. Jonas is in vastly better position than I thought he was going to be at this point; he is one very tough nut to crack. I thought he rode super smart given everything you listed above. Just spending the day on Tratnik's bike by itself is pretty amazing. Chapeau to him!

We haven't seen any panic yet compared to what we're going to see if Pog can't drop him either Wednesday or Saturday, then things are going to start looking very serious indeed.

Spending 80 km on the bike of Tratnik is very far from ideal, even a couple centimeters make a lot of difference.


Besides that, the reality is Pogacar didn't wanted Vingegaard pulling to make time on the others GC riders alongside him. He wanted Vingegaard pulling, to isolate him and attack him more later.

If Pogacar was so concerned on taking time in riders like Roglic, he alongside Emirates could had helped Visma when Roglic was behind in the first section of gravel.