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Devil's Elbow

Devil's Elbow

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tobydawq said:
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‘Jonas Vingegaard wil in 2025 debuteren in de Giro d’Italia’

Zien we Jonas Vingegaard volgend jaar in de Giro d’Italia? Het zou zomaar kunnen. Volgens de informatie van het Het Laatste Nieuws wil de Deen van Visma | Lease a Bike in 2025 zelf graag debuteren in de Ronde van Italië. Vingegaard, die in 2024 niet meer in actie komt, zou zijn wens intern al […]
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Apparently, he has expressed a wish to do the Giro next year. No decision taken.
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Hooray, a fourth rancid Giro in a row (assuming Pogacar isn't there) beckons. As I've said before, for every time the happy few do battle there are three where there's only one of them there and the race is a formality. That tradeoff is not worth it at all.
 
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Devil's Elbow said:
Hooray, a fourth rancid Giro in a row (assuming Pogacar isn't there) beckons. As I've said before, for every time the happy few do battle there are three where there's only one of them there and the race is a formality. That tradeoff is not worth it at all.
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Why can't they all just target the Tour like normal people and we get a full-on battle without any asterisks for sub-optimal preparation and suchlike?
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I knew it! I really have a strange feeling about Vingegaard doing Giro-Tour next year. After seeing Pogacar be so good in the Tour, I know Vingegaard can win the Giro with one leg and be ready to challenge Pogacar in the Tour.
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IMHO this won't end the way it did for Pog. Jonas is a more fragile rider than Pogacar. Jonas is amazing but tends to peak for specific events and then not be so stellar.

I think he is already going to have a fight on his hands for the tour, and going to the giro puts that in jeopardy.
 
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I hope we get peak shape remco in the giro with Landa as support against vignegard.

And then in the tour peak shape Roglic ( unlikely) and vignegard against pogacar

I don't want another giro with one mutant putting 10 minutes to g Thomas and o'connor . The giro is the most beautiful and mythical stage race in our sport. It's reputation is going down the drain the past few years due to awful editions.
 
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dazaau said:
IMHO this won't end the way it did for Pog. Jonas is a more fragile rider than Pogacar. Jonas is amazing but tends to peak for specific events and then not be so stellar.

I think he is already going to have a fight on his hands for the tour, and going to the giro puts that in jeopardy.
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This is demonstrably false, since just last year he rode both the Tour and the Vuelta and could easily have won both. Vingegaard is not a fragile rider, rather the opposite: his strength is his consistency and his stamina. He looks fragile, that much is true.

For Pogi I think the Giro was clearly an extended training camp for the Tour, and it obviously worked. Something similar could happen for Vingegaard. But Giro or no Giro, I think we'll see a better Vingegaard in the Tour next year, purely because he'll have a way better base as a result from not being in the hospital two months prior to the race.
 
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theyoungest said:
This is demonstrably false, since just last year he rode both the Tour and the Vuelta and could easily have won both. Vingegaard is not a fragile rider, rather the opposite: his strength is his consistency and his stamina. He looks fragile, that much is true.

For Pogi I think the Giro was clearly an extended training camp for the Tour, and it obviously worked. Something similar could happen for Vingegaard. But Giro or no Giro, I think we'll see a better Vingegaard in the Tour next year, purely because he'll have a way better base as a result from not being in the hospital two months prior to the race.
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I disagree. Jonas was not that good in the vuelta, about Roglic level not Tadej level. Good yes, but not outstanding and this is the only really positive example we have.

He is very weak in one day races and in early stage races he is sometimes good and sometimes not.

But time will tell, bit to me it's a risk. I think Pog doing both was a risk, but he got lucky with Jonas crash and then was also shown to be on exceptional level as the double appears to have suited him. Jonas would be gambling to follow surely.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Isn't he afraid of Pogacar and he is trying to win the Giro to his season not being a failure? How times change.
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Why Vingegaard would be afraid of someone who never beat him in Grand Tours, when there wasn't health issues?

Pneumotorax, broken ribs, 2 weeks in the hospital, collarbone and he still finished more close to Pogacar, than Pogacar to Vingegaard in 2023 just because a "wrist".

I just want no bad luck and a perfect preparation next year. That's enough.
 
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Froome said:
Why Vingegaard would be afraid of someone who never beat him in Grand Tours, when there wasn't health issues?

Pneumotorax, broken ribs, 2 weeks in the hospital, collarbone and he still finished more close to Pogacar, than Pogacar to Vingegaard in 2023 just because a "wrist".

I just want no bad luck and a perfect preparation next year. That's enough.
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I was kidding, using your argument last year.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Isn't he afraid of Pogacar and he is trying to win the Giro to his season not being a failure? How times change.
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If I recall that was the argument for Pogacar. Were you being facetious? :)

In the end I think Pogacar just loves variety, and wants to finish his career having won pretty much everything. But I reckon he was willing to risk a tour for a Giro, and perhaps being beaten by Jonas two years running factored into that.

I don't think Jonas is afraid of Pogacar. He can take comfort in the rubbish lead in to this year's tour.
 
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Devil's Elbow said:
Hooray, a fourth rancid Giro in a row (assuming Pogacar isn't there) beckons. As I've said before, for every time the happy few do battle there are three where there's only one of them there and the race is a formality. That tradeoff is not worth it at all.
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How so? 2023 was a cracking race. You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't reckon how any cycling fan would deem it "rancid." Similarly, 2022 was well raced, had great drama and sympathetic characters, so I'd rate it highly - although I acknowledge the palmares of Hindley are less impressive than most of our other GT winners.
 
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