Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Peyroteo94]

He is not going to win many fans riding like this. Not even a single attack in the last 3 km.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Vingegaard after gaining 2 seconds.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/BQh-fbyVoQE?si=zufW64n0AWDZn3Gv




Overall probably sad he’s leaving empty handed with no wins and he and the team not being strong enough to overcome the hole he made in the first half of the race. Maybe he’ll make a run for the KoM. If he goes to the Vuelta should definitely win especially since it looks like Pogacar won’t go.

 

[Red Rick]

Incredible how you can say ,I‘m going to try‘ for GC and then not even try to win the stage in the final k. This has to be the saddest effort ever. Too afraid to lose nothing.

He was perfectly okay with losing today, as long as he lost to the right person.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He is not going to win many fans riding like this. Not even a single attack in the last 3 km.

I don't think he's ever cared that much about getting fans and people have called him a coward before (myself included) without it killing him. He'll be alright.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

He needs a complete reset. His tactics are winning him zero fans and zero wins, I don’t think his approach of doing a whopping 18 race days before the Tour is doing him any favours and his wife is actively trying to make said approach even worse. Obviously it’s difficult against Pogacar but what he’s doing right now is getting him nowhere - zero WT wins at the end of July is laughable for a rider of his calibre.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He was perfectly okay with losing today, as long as he lost to the right person.

He raced perfectly because he made Pogacar lose and you are happy about this.
Why don't you admit?

 

[Valv.Piti]

He needs a complete reset. His tactics are winning him zero fans and zero wins, I don’t think his approach of doing a whopping 18 race days before the Tour is doing him any favours and his wife is actively trying to make said approach even worse. Obviously it’s difficult against Pogacar but what he’s doing right now is getting him nowhere - zero WT wins at the end of July is laughable for a rider of his calibre.

Good points. Zero WT wins is laughable. I hope Pog goes to the Vuelta and just sits in his wheel

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He raced perfectly because he made Pogacar lose and you are happy about this.
Why don't you admit?

Sometimes you lose even if you've given yourself close to the best possible chances of winning.

People are only so angry at him because no one else is even close to matching Pogačar at the moment.

 

[proffate]

Good points. Zero WT wins is laughable. I hope Pog goes to the Vuelta and just sits in his wheel

If he were mopping up dozens of wins at one week races you'd just say he's dodging Pog.

I don't care what he does one way or another but at least he's keeping Pog within a single digit number of minutes at cycling's biggest event 🤷‍♂️

 

[Red Rick]

He needs a complete reset. His tactics are winning him zero fans and zero wins, I don’t think his approach of doing a whopping 18 race days before the Tour is doing him any favours and his wife is actively trying to make said approach even worse. Obviously it’s difficult against Pogacar but what he’s doing right now is getting him nowhere - zero WT wins at the end of July is laughable for a rider of his calibre.

People get bored by Pogacar's and now the guy who was launching at 70km from the line yesterday is getting blamed. Sometimes there's nothing you can do.

In fact, it appears Visma's strategy of making the race as hard as possible did work to an extent, cause Pogacar looks dead on the wheels as well.

 

[Psycat]

Utterly weird and I didn't expect much.

 

[Brullnux]

He needs a complete reset. His tactics are winning him zero fans and zero wins, I don’t think his approach of doing a whopping 18 race days before the Tour is doing him any favours and his wife is actively trying to make said approach even worse. Obviously it’s difficult against Pogacar but what he’s doing right now is getting him nowhere - zero WT wins at the end of July is laughable for a rider of his calibre.

I don't particularly like Vingegaard but let's not act like Vingegaard didn't attack on Superbagneres, about six times up Ventoux, and again on Madeleine before running out of gas. He and Visma tried to take the race on, even in the stage to Hautacam, but kept getting it wrong and not having the legs.

Today was incredibly conservative, but post-Hautacam the pattern has been obvious, so why not do something different to win the stage.

 

[Squire]

He needs a complete reset. His tactics are winning him zero fans and zero wins, I don’t think his approach of doing a whopping 18 race days before the Tour is doing him any favours and his wife is actively trying to make said approach even worse. Obviously it’s difficult against Pogacar but what he’s doing right now is getting him nowhere - zero WT wins at the end of July is laughable for a rider of his calibre.

Curious how his tactics should have been different in this Tour? As RR says, Pog looked distinctly human in the final week. Just a shame for Vingegaard that he himself also looked equally human. But it was a clear improvement over Pog being on a completely different level in the first half of the race. Sometimes no tactics in the world will make you beat a clearly superior rider.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

People get bored by Pogacar's and now the guy who was launching at 70km from the line yesterday is getting blamed. Sometimes there's nothing you can do.

In fact, it appears Visma's strategy of making the race as hard as possible did work to an extent, cause Pogacar looks dead on the wheels as well.

Pogačar looks dead on the wheels… Well, if this is true, then the right play would have been to attack from 70k out again, not giving up on everything. You‘re saying that there was nothing he could do yet you say Pogačar looked dead… impossible mental gymnastics

 

[Red Rick]

Pogačar looks dead on the wheels… Well, if this is true, then the right play would have been to attack from 70k out again, not giving up on everything. You‘re saying that there was nothing he could do yet you say Pogačar looked dead… impossible mental gymnastics

I thought he might try on Col du Pré today. But all the complaints right now are about how he raced on La Plagne in regards to the stage win.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

As RR says, Pog looked distinctly human in the final week. Just a shame for Vingegaard that he himself also looked equally human.

Both of them destroyed the Ventoux record three days ago, that was anything but distinctly human.

 

[Red Rick]

Both of them destroyed the Ventoux record three days ago, that was anything but distinctly human.

They're definitely looking more prone to fatigue than last year, when the watts missiles were dropping no matter how hard a stage was.

 

[Squire]

Both of them destroyed the Ventoux record three days ago, that was anything but distinctly human.

Fair. The gaps to the rest of the field in the past two days have not been very alien-like though.

I'm still curious about your answer to what Vingegaard should have done differently in this Tour. As I tend to appreciate your insights on things.

 

[Rackham]

He is not going to win many fans riding like this. Not even a single attack in the last 3 km.

Pog's reputation as the GOAT in his fans eyes surely puts him above trivialities like blaming Vinge for today's lack of stage win?

Vingegaard raced with what he had and did what he could. His only 'mistake' was waiting a few meters too long to launch his attack.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Both of them destroyed the Ventoux record three days ago, that was anything but distinctly human.

Well, that was Unipuerto off of a rest day, way less fatigue than now

 

[Valv.Piti]

Fair. The gaps to the rest of the field in the past two days have not been very alien-like though.

I'm still curious about your answer to what Vingegaard should have done differently in this Tour. As I tend to appreciate your insights on things.

If he was serious about winning the Tour, you try on the hardest part of Courchevel before the last 6. That didn't happen. You try on stage 14, but they chased stage victories with worthless domestiques and Jonas was too afraid of Pog.

Its just pathetic that your biggest rival in the yellow jersey, with 4 stage wins, paces half the climb at 7% in the headwind and you do *** all. That doesn't have anything to with the GC, the race was effectively over when you don't try on Courchevel and then you get a shortened stage today, so nothing to be done at Pré really either.

 

[Rou]

Vingegaard in his 2024 form is very close or probably beating this Pogacar.
The question is why is he weaker than last year?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

They're definitely looking more prone to fatigue than last year, when the watts missiles were dropping no matter how hard a stage was.

That doesn't explain why the numbers were so much better on Ventoux than on Hautacam, especially depthwise. Don't buy that everyone was really fatigued on the first mountain stage.

 

[Red Rick]

That doesn't explain why the numbers were so much better on Ventoux than on Hautacam, especially depthwise. Don't buy that everyone was really fatigued on the first mountain stage.

Heat, unexpectedly difficult first 2 hours, and maybe some some undereating because of that the unexpected difficulty may explain some of it. A fewof the guys also really blew up hard due to starting Hautacam too fast.

When nearly everyone drops terrible numbers for 2014, I just have to assume there's some unknown factors that are really poor for a high performance.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Heat, unexpectedly difficult first 2 hours, and maybe some some undereating because of that the unexpected difficulty may explain some of it. A fewof the guys also really blew up hard due to starting Hautacam too fast.

When nearly everyone drops terrible numbers for 2014, I just have to assume there's some unknown factors that are really poor for a high performance.

Hey, I don't tolerate any slander against Nibali in this thread