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Just to make it clear I blame Italian Steve Bradbury for Pogacar's domination.
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Coppi won in 1952 by 28 and a half minutes. Maurice Garin won in 1903 by nearly 3 hours. So obviously, they're both way better than Pog and Vinnie. Nibali sandbagged to a 7 min 37 sec win in 2014, so he's better too. Can't argue with the numbers.
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You're not wrong: that Tour he got very lucky indeed.
But I feel more and more people tend to downplay his achievements.
I always loved riders that could read a race and know exactly how and when to win it. Not just by sheer watts, but by being smart and cunning. Nibali definitely had that instinct. And riders like that have become exceedingly rare, sadly.
name them then, name those that have said that
and I dont mean in the post match glow of wow we won the world cup its so amazing, Im saying name a footballer who has ever said winning the WC would be superior to them winning the Champions league.Ronaldo maybe that last one, because he's already won everything else anyway, but did George Best care that he didnt win the WC ? but won the European cup (aka champions league as was) instead for Man Utd, does anyone think George Best wasnt a good player because he didnt win the WC ??
maybe its just an England thing then, because I havent seen any footballer in England give a 4x about winning the world cup since about 1990.
they qualify, they turn up, they disappoint when they arent playing against some team from Azerbejdżan, they go home again.
nearly 500 players have played for England since 1966, probably a fraction of them feel not winning the world cup is missing on their palmares, the rest of the home nations its not even a question, the Scottish are so excited theyve even qualified for the tournament they gave themselves a bank holiday, none of them care about winning it.
the world cup is like the olympics, comes round every 4 years, and youre never quite sure the best end up the victors.
- Jan 8, 2020
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I've told this story before, but I did a Granfondo at Fiuggi a week before the start of the 2013 Giro and Nibali and Agnoli showed up to train. On the way to Collepardo I had a chance to chat breifly with Vincenzo, who was gentleman-like and he obviously was in angelic form. Agnoli gave us a real beating on the climb to Poli. Whatever one may say about Nibali, he was pure class on the bike and found ways to maximize his great talent, as at MSR. You don't pull off such feats unless you are a big champion.
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- Jul 7, 2013
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It was perceived like that by many: to win a GT after two years without any. It turned out that Pogacar prepared absolutely monstrous form for the Tour and they stopped saying so. If Vingegaard uses the Giro well and prepares superb form for the Tour winning it, nobody will think so anymore.
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Arguably, with the level Pog showed in the classics in 2024, they must have known the Giro-Tour double was a real possibility. So the team must have never thought riding the Giro was capitulation. In fact, how could Pog ever ride a race thinking its consolation before the Tour? I don't think it's in his DNA.
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I meant how it was perceived by some fans, same as now in Vingo's case. I don't know what was going on in Pogacar's or Vingo's head (none of us knows).
You’re mistaking us not being as good as we think we are with not caring. Kane ran himself into the ground playing with a back injury in the last tournament, having injections at half time. I think the period after 96 until the 2010s before Southgate came in, and when we had our best teams (especially 2002-2006) was the worst, a unique set of talented primadonnas who hated each other, but before and after that there are guys like Pearce, Henderson and Harry Maguire who had their best days in an England kit, they just unfortunately weren’t good enough.name them then, name those that have said that
Ronaldo maybe that last one, because he's already won everything else anyway, but did George Best care that he didnt win the WC ? but won the European cup (aka champions league as was) instead for Man Utd, does anyone think George Best wasnt a good player because he didnt win the WC ??
maybe its just an England thing then, because I havent seen any footballer in England give a 4x about winning the world cup since about 1990.
they qualify, they turn up, they disappoint when they arent playing against some team from Azerbejdżan, they go home again.
nearly 500 players have played for England since 1966, probably a fraction of them feel not winning the world cup is missing on their palmares, the rest of the home nations its not even a question, the Scottish are so excited theyve even qualified for the tournament they gave themselves a bank holiday, none of them care about winning it.
the world cup is like the olympics, comes round every 4 years, and youre never quite sure the best end up the victors.
It’s the only thing left at the top level of football worth winning, though fifa and the Americans are trying to put a stop to that.
Pogacar beat Vingegaard in 3 stages in 2023. Vingegaard never beat Pogacar in 2025. For next Tour says more this than a huge time difference due to a major collapse.
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That's not true. Name one footballer who's won both and said the Champions League was more important than winning the WC. None.name them then, name those that have said that
Ronaldo maybe that last one, because he's already won everything else anyway, but did George Best care that he didnt win the WC ? but won the European cup (aka champions league as was) instead for Man Utd, does anyone think George Best wasnt a good player because he didnt win the WC ??
maybe its just an England thing then, because I havent seen any footballer in England give a 4x about winning the world cup since about 1990.
they qualify, they turn up, they disappoint when they arent playing against some team from Azerbejdżan, they go home again.
nearly 500 players have played for England since 1966, probably a fraction of them feel not winning the world cup is missing on their palmares, the rest of the home nations its not even a question, the Scottish are so excited theyve even qualified for the tournament they gave themselves a bank holiday, none of them care about winning it.
the world cup is like the olympics, comes round every 4 years, and youre never quite sure the best end up the victors.
On the contrary, I can mention Messi, Casillas, Zidane, etc.
You should name those who have won both and they've said that Champions League. You started by saying this.
- Sep 12, 2022
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I never thought he would have been able to hold that form all year long. Was the biggest surprise to me, from classics, to giro to tdf, never dropped his form once.
He didnt ride classics. Only MSR-LBL and went in undercooked for Giro. After Tour was really tired.
- Sep 12, 2022
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He rode Strade, San Remo, Catalunya and LBL. I stand by my statement that I still thought the season was extremely long, and a lot of stuff in a short period. Back then I didn't think that was possible. Now I know differently.
Thats very few race days and it is incorrect to say he did classics.
Im amazed at someone being able to come back from a big crash in April and finish 3rd in the Tour (doing your best climbing ever) + winning both of the events in the Olympics. Now I know differently.
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