Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Medvind]

Both can be true - Vingegaard did a great sprint, but it was obvious that Pog was totally spent and was way worse than usual in that sprint

Agree, but I also think some underestimate how much such a stage weakens the legs. It was like a really hard one day race where we sometimes see surprises in the sprint, Asgreen beating MVDP in Ronde for example.

 

[Red Rick]

Both can be true - Vingegaard did a great sprint, but it was obvious that Pog was totally spent and was way worse than usual in that sprint

That was quite obvious. I've never seen Pogacar look this dead in a sprint finish, but I think it was cause it was at the end of an uphill section so it's not like he'd had any real recovery before. Also, the actual sprint was at like 8% and deceptively steep.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even break 800W in the sprint.

 

[Red Rick]

Agree, but I also think some underestimate how much such a stage weakens the legs. It was like a really hard one day race where we sometimes see surprises in the sprint, Asgreen beating MVDP in Ronde for example.

Pog beat frigging Pedersen at the end of a crazy hard Worlds race. What made him lose is the lack of 1-2 minutes of rest before the sprint because the finale was uphill, and the sprint itself was pretty steep and slow.

If they had finished on a flat stretch 1km after the end of the hill Pog still cleans it comfortably

 

[kn0s]

Pog beat frigging Pedersen at the end of a crazy hard Worlds race. What made him lose is the lack of 1-2 minutes of rest before the sprint because the finale was uphill, and the sprint itself was pretty steep and slow.

If they had finished on a flat stretch 1km after the end of the hill Pog still cleans it comfortably

Agree that he has a great sprint, but that one sprint is not the best example, Mads f'ed that up big time.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Agree that he has a great sprint, but that one sprint is not the best example, Mads f'ed that up big time.

Pogačar was also faster than Mads at MSR and in Stage 1 of the Tour. Obviously it‘s Vinge>Pog>Pedersen in sprints

 

[kn0s]

Pogačar was also faster than Mads at MSR and in Stage 1 of the Tour. Obviously it‘s Vinge>Pog>Pedersen in sprints

Of course, goes without saying.

 

[Medvind]

Probably not that good for Jumbo LAB that Ineos is weakened. Maybe they counted on Ineos to push the pace on some mountain stages for C-rod, but now Pidders is out and G is not well.

 

[Potomac]

Is the thread title changing everyday?

 

[RedheadDane]

Is the thread title changing everyday?

It's had this one since stage 11.

 

[Potomac]

slackers

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Not great today, but don’t think it is over. Tomorrow is a big determination of that, with a hotter day and more vertical meters of climbing outside of the final climb.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He's still clearly the second strongest rider in the race, but it won't be easy to win now. His team is not good enough either, it seems.

I don't really understand why he didn't glue himself to Pogačar's wheel before the attack. Not that it would have made much difference, but it still wasn't smart.

 

[meat puppet]

Expert analysis: the mountain sprint was a bit too long and also too short today.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

He's still clearly the second strongest rider in the race, but it won't be easy to win now. His team is not good enough either, it seems.

I don't really understand why he didn't glue himself to Pogačar's wheel before the attack. Not that it would have made much difference, but it still wasn't smart.

Won’t be easy, but he’s overcame so much to get this point that I would not put it past him. Just have a hunch that Pogi has a bad day at some point:

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Won’t be easy, but he’s overcame so much to get this point that I would not put it past him. Just have a hunch that Pogi has a bad day at some point:

He already had one, but only lost a second.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Pogačar said this was the strongest Vingegaard, what a liar!

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

He already had one, but only lost a second.

I don’t think that was a bad day, otherwise he wouldn’t have attacked on the Puy Mary.

 

[kn0s]

A little worse than expected, I was thinking 30sec. Was this the biggest gab pogi ever made on a MTF against GC Jonas?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I don’t think that was a bad day, otherwise he wouldn’t have attacked on the Puy Mary.

It's still the worst day he's had this year.

 

[Medvind]

Pog's poweradvantage on the lower gradients last 3-4k really hurt Vinge.

Earlier tours we have seen Vinge being able to respond to Pog's attack, on stage 11 and today he never really tried.

Clearly he lacks some form, and not a good sign he lost so much last couple of kilometers.

And his team... UAE is way stronger.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Pog's poweradvantage on the lower gradients last 3-4k really hurt Vinge.

Earlier tours we have seen Vinge being able to respond to Pog's attack, on stage 11 and today he never really tried.

Clearly he lacks some form, and not a good sign he lost so much last couple of kilometers.

And his team... UAE is way stronger.

Today he definitely tried to respond, but he just couldnt't.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

It's still the worst day he's had this year.

I definitely agree, though I don’t remember being too many bad Pogi days before Courchevel in 2023.

 

[Medvind]

Today he definitely tried to respond, but he just couldnt't.

Correct, I expressed it wrong.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I definitely agree, though I don’t remember being too many bad Pogi days before Courchevel in 2023.

No, but he was almost 2 minutes behind at that point while now he's leading by that.

 

[Red Rick]

He clearly doesn't have it on the long efforts.

But let's talk as if he's totally gonna take back 2 minutes on the long efforts