Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Samu Cuenca]

Jonas supposedly also did his then best ever numbers on Puy do Dôme last year, but it wasn't enough either, though he was obviously a lot, lot closer to Pogačar that day (different sort of stage, of course). Due to the uncertainty regarding the impact of the crash on his body and preparation, I don't think it's outrageous to speculate he could have been even stronger, if everything had gone according to plan. Whether that would have been good enough to win yesterday, is a different matter.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Oh, we can speculate for sure. That's all we fans can do.
Honestly, though, how much faster can these riders go?

 

[scribers]

Oh, we can speculate for sure. That's all we fans can do.
Honestly, though, how much faster can these riders go?

I don't know, but what he did from the death bed to racing around France is absolutely scary. Like Halloween horror movie scary

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I mean, if Pog had not won Stage 15, we'd be talking about how Jonas destroyed Pantani's record by two minutes and how he's "better than ever."

 

[Peyroteo94]

He already said he is doing his best performance of his life. How accurate is this? Numbers say that but after his crash, I can't understand how he is supposed to hit his ceilling im this Tour. I think he is very close but 1 or 2% off. Other thing very important is how better he and Pogacar are becoming year after year. Pogacar increased his level significantly this year, I don't how he can do it but he did it. Maybe he would have another gear if it wasn't for his crash 9 weeks before the Tour?

 

[Bolder]

I'm not sure Jonas can be better than he was in 2022-23. How does he improve his climbing w/kg? Lose weight? He's already about as thin as he could be. Does he try to gain 2 kg and become more powerful? He's 27 so in theory he's already fully matured physically.

The question for me is his current form relative to his top end from 2022-23. Pog may or may not be better, but having a great team has helped him save energy this year, and the converse is true for Vingegaard. His team hasn't really helped him save energy, and they haven't put UAE under serious pressure either.

 

[glassmoon]

He's saying what he's supposed to say in the middle of the race to media... He can't say he's not 100% or that he gives up the fight. I don't know at what level he actually is but I'm sure that he would be better if it wasn't for the crash. And I don't expect any miracles during the 3rd week.
Still... I'm very impressed with the level he was able to reach after such hard crash.
And props to Pog and his double - yeah he got lucky (zero competition at Giro and battered opponents at Tour) but he was ready a prepared to capitalize on it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I would never bet against him but I never see him so bad. His suboptimal preparation is starting to catch him just like Pogacar last year. His ceilling was very good but the foundation seems to be lacking. Of course this is just my perception but like I said, I would never bet against him, he is warrior!

 

[theyoungest]

I'm not sure Jonas can be better than he was in 2022-23. How does he improve his climbing w/kg? Lose weight? He's already about as thin as he could be. Does he try to gain 2 kg and become more powerful? He's 27 so in theory he's already fully matured physically.

The question for me is his current form relative to his top end from 2022-23. Pog may or may not be better, but having a great team has helped him save energy this year, and the converse is true for Vingegaard. His team hasn't really helped him save energy, and they haven't put UAE under serious pressure either.

His team is the only reason he's still somewhat in the race. This Vingegaard just isn't at his very best, no matter what he or his team says. You can just see it by looking at the way he rides. It's no shame, and it's perhaps not surprising after the preparation he had, but a good Vingegaard doesn't get dropped on a stage like today. Certainly not by Evenepoel. I mean, no disrespect to Remco of course, but I think it's quite obvious that Vingegaard is getting worse and worse.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I would never bet against him but I never see him so bad. His suboptimal preparation is starting to catch him just like Pogacar last year. His ceilling was very good but the foundation seems to be lacking. Of course this is just my perception but like I said, I would never bet against him, he is warrior!

I'm not sure it's the preparation as much as it's a lack of faith at this point. If you're fighting for first, you're prepared to suffer a bit more. Again today he also made the mistake of sitting in front of Pogačar before the attack. Either he should stay behind him, so he can follow the attack immediately, or he should only worry about Remco.

 

[theyoungest]

I'm not sure it's the preparation as much as it's a lack of faith at this point. If you're fighting for first, you're prepared to suffer a bit more. Again today he also made the mistake of sitting in front of Pogačar before the attack. Either he should stay behind him, so he can follow the attack immediately, or he should only worry about Remco.

He just doesn't have it. This is not a lack of faith. And it's not surprising really, not many people expected him to be competitive in this Tour... but since he initially was, maybe we've considered things to be back to "normal". Which they obviously aren't, as far as Vingegaard is concerned.

 

[AmRacer]

He just doesn't have it. This is not a lack of faith. And it's not surprising really, not many people expected him to be competitive in this Tour... but since he initially was, maybe we've considered things to be back to "normal". Which they obviously aren't, as far as Vingegaard is concerned.

He is just a normal mutant now.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm not sure it's the preparation as much as it's a lack of faith at this point. If you're fighting for first, you're prepared to suffer a bit more. Again today he also made the mistake of sitting in front of Pogačar before the attack. Either he should stay behind him, so he can follow the attack immediately, or he should only worry about Remco.

I think both. Last year, Pogacar received an enormous blow in the TT. We all know what happened the day after. But after seeing this stage, Pogacar will smoke them all in Isola and close the GC

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He just doesn't have it. This is not a lack of faith. And it's not surprising really, not many people expected him to be competitive in this Tour... but since he initially was, maybe we've considered things to be back to "normal". Which they obviously aren't, as far as Vingegaard is concerned.

I'm not saying he has it, but I still think the situation has had a negative effect on his moral.

 

[Rackham]

Everyone keeps on trying to drop this mountain sprinter before the line.

 

[tobydawq]

I think he was a bit lucky today that Remco was playing GameBoy or answering fan mail or something like that when Pogi attacked.

A quicker reaction from him, and then the two of them could have taken turns and really put time into him (of course he would still have had his three Belgian-ish teammates to limit the damage but still).

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I think he was a bit lucky today that Remco was playing GameBoy or answering fan mail or something like that when Pogi attacked.

A quicker reaction from him, and then the two of them could have taken turns and really put time into him (of course he would still have had his three Belgian-ish teammates to limit the damage but still).

Even had Pog gapped Evenepoel by a somewhat lesser margin, Evenepoel would have caught up with Pogacar at the end of the descend before Laporte got Vingegaard back, and they would have been gone and he loses his 2nd place then and there.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Even had Pog gapped Evenepoel by a somewhat lesser margin, Evenepoel would have caught up with Pogacar at the end of the descend before Laporte got Vingegaard back, and they would have been gone and he loses his 2nd place then and there.

Definitely there was a chance for the duo to gain more time on Vingo.

 

[tobydawq]

Even had Pog gapped Evenepoel by a somewhat lesser margin, Evenepoel would have caught up with Pogacar at the end of the descend before Laporte got Vingegaard back, and they would have been gone and he loses his 2nd place then and there.

Yes, it was very annoying from a Remco perspective. I really think he could have kept up with him or been very close. Still a nice ride in the end.

 

[Red Lobster]

I think he was a bit lucky today that Remco was playing GameBoy or answering fan mail or something like that when Pogi attacked.

A quicker reaction from him, and then the two of them could have taken turns and really put time into him (of course he would still have had his three Belgian-ish teammates to limit the damage but still).

Pogacar kept looking back like "get up here dammit, what are you doing, this only works if you get up here"

 

[Valv.Piti]

Even had Pog gapped Evenepoel by a somewhat lesser margin, Evenepoel would have caught up with Pogacar at the end of the descend before Laporte got Vingegaard back, and they would have been gone and he loses his 2nd place then and there.

No way Jonas loses 2nd today. Maybe 30-40 seconds at best when still having the riders out front that he did.

Really hoped Remco would have followed Pog today, it was very close. Cime de la Bonette is where its at!

 

[AmRacer]

Maybe Jonas won't attack again and go all in at the ITT.
Pog only attacks the last couple of km, if he feels okay.
Remco will probably try for second.

 

[Jack_89]

Morale, pressure, Pogacar in shape of his life etc...but none will ever convince me he's in perfect shape..simply impossible after the incident. The absence of training + hospitalisation are effecting him.

 

[Nick2413]

Even had Pog gapped Evenepoel by a somewhat lesser margin, Evenepoel would have caught up with Pogacar at the end of the descend before Laporte got Vingegaard back, and they would have been gone and he loses his 2nd place then and there.

Was Evenepoel gaining ground on Pogacar before Laporte took over? Or did he still do most of the work? I couldn’t tell from the stream.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Was Evenepoel gaining ground on Pogacar before Laporte took over? Or did he still do most of the work? I couldn’t tell from the stream.

I was under the impression Evenepoel was gaining and Pog was loitering about with that Wanty dude.