Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[gillan1969]

When the ruling was announced and fb went nuts about it, I did wonder whether it was such a ridiculous answer that in actual fact, someone could be a high functioning alcoholic but in that line of work, it catches up very quickly. Don't know enough personally but have seen some very unexpected people do stupid things as a result. A massive sesh before a major event could happen. Rule infractions remain ofc.

quite possible, but then there would be the major regrets the next day and the accompanying re hydration attempts

what I'm finding very difficult to believe is that having got yourself in that position you then make it far worse by not even attempting to rehydrate...

of course the sums don't add up with the **** up alone...its the dehydration that is the explanation less than the **** up

 

[timmers]

quite possible, but then there would be the major regrets the next day and the accompanying re hydration attempts

what I'm finding very difficult to believe is that having got yourself in that position you then make it far worse by not even attempting to rehydrate...

of course the sums don't add up with the **** up alone...its the dehydration that is the explanation less than the **** up

Makes sense but also he's now got no income coming through the door, no support from either Sky or Endura, WADA/UCI would defend the appeal with more and more experts which he couldn't afford to complete with, there would be multiple documents going back and forth between the parties costing 100's per hour along with his own experts commissioning studies etc.

Guilty or innocent unless you have Oleg's money you can't win. Especially as you can't cross examine the 10-14 day claim by UKAD.

Its heavily weighted in UCI's favor.

I'd say its time to lay down his weapons. I'd also have no doubt that upon his loss of contract he would have agreed to terms of exit.

So you are saying Team Sky paid him off? Or are you saying that Ferrari paid him off because he coached Wiggins? Or was the money paid him for his defense not enough?

 

[gillan1969]

So you are saying Team Sky paid him off? Or are you saying that Ferrari paid him off because he coached Wiggins? Or was the money paid him for his defense not enough?

"you talking to me" (said in a de niro taxi driver stylee)

 

[Spider1964]

Yet the UKAD panel’s report also confirmed the fact that on September 24, the day after the World Championships and only two days after the UCI test, Tiernan-Locke gave another sample ‘at the request of Team Sky’.

It was analysed at the Central Manchester University Hospital.

The analysis was not carried out under the UCI’s ‘passport’ programme, but UKAD admit: “There is no reason to question its accuracy.”

That test showed Tiernan-Locke’s blood levels returning to normal, and Team Sky were happy enough with the findings to sign him to a two-year contract shortly afterwards.

http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/CYCLING-Banned-star-Jonathan-Tiernan-Locke-says/story-22842850-detail/story.html

 

[fmk_RoI]

http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/CYCLING-Banned-star-Jonathan-Tiernan-Locke-says/story-22842850-detail/story.html

"Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."

Ok, one of the other versions of it has now turned up: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Tea...iernan-Locke/story-22847294-detail/story.html

 

[Race Radio]

"Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."

Ok, one of the other versions of it has now turned up: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Tea...iernan-Locke/story-22847294-detail/story.html

Wow, did JTL hire Fabiani?

Since when is a 127.8 off score "Normal"? Says he must be innocent because the UCI too 2 months to target test him.

What a fool.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Says he must be innocent because the UCI too 2 months to target test him.

One of the craziest parts of that article, actually. He was hit what, four times in the five months after the Sep 22 test? So if they didn't touch him for two months, that's four ABP tests in three months?

I asked before about whether the frequency of those tests was abnormal, or whether it was just the normal base-line testing (experts do offer different views on how many tests are needed for a baseline). Me, four tests in three months does look like you're looking for something.

 

[nevada]

One of the craziest parts of that article, actually. He was hit what, four times in the five months after the Sep 22 test? So if they didn't touch him for two months, that's four ABP tests in three months?

I asked before about whether the frequency of those tests was abnormal, or whether it was just the normal base-line testing (experts do offer different views on how many tests are needed for a baseline). Me, four tests in three months does look like you're looking for something.

Did he produce receipts to prove this drinking binge ?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Did he produce receipts to prove this drinking binge ?

Nurse! Nurse! Fetch the sutures! My sides are splitting!

Not.

Save the cross-contaminated humour, it was funnier on the other thread.

 

[doolols]

Save the cross-contaminated humour, it was funnier on the other thread.

Well, it made me laugh.

 

[mrhender]

Well, it made me laugh.

As I remember the decision. The UCI underlined and partly based upon the notion that this (drinking) behaviour would be inconcievable for a top athlete.. Could he provide receipts and/or credit card details to underline this, it could have mattered...

EDIT: Reaching.. I know...

 

[nevada]

Nurse! Nurse! Fetch the sutures! My sides are splitting!

Not.

Save the cross-contaminated humour, it was funnier on the other thread.

Not sure I understand your reply - it seemed a reasonable observation.

 

[DirtyWorks]

One of the craziest parts of that article, actually. He was hit what, four times in the five months after the Sep 22 test? So if they didn't touch him for two months, that's four ABP tests in three months?

I asked before about whether the frequency of those tests was abnormal, or whether it was just the normal base-line testing (experts do offer different views on how many tests are needed for a baseline). Me, four tests in three months does look like you're looking for something.

If you are new to the WT, then it's not. They need the data in order for the system to function. Once they've got a number of tests, they don't need to test as frequently. let's assume the athlete is performing clean.

 

[Cycle Chic]

My Predictions - Observations

Just came across my post from last August 2013...i do like it when i am correct..

Where's Tiernon Locke ?? what are they doing with him ?? because he sure aint riding !

http://www.jtlocke.com/latest-news/

On twitter he seems to be riding round Plymouth and doing nothing.

http://www.teamsky.com/rider-results...,28169,00.html

last results were Austria. This is looking like another Russ Downing. He,ll be dropped with no explanation.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=1316289#post1316289

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[Avoriaz]

JTL riding the Exmoor Beast sportive

http://road.cc/content/news/129084-banned-rider-jonathan-tiernan-locke-ride-exmoor-beast-sportive

 

[Race Radio]

JTL riding the Exmoor Beast sportive

http://road.cc/content/news/129084-banned-rider-jonathan-tiernan-locke-ride-exmoor-beast-sportive

How is this allowed? Isn't this group ride...rrr, Sportive, sanctioned by British cycling?

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/84603/The-Exmoor-Beast

Italian GranFondo's now ban former Pro's from competing for 5 years after they retire. They can ride in the back but cannot compete for prize money

 

[laurel1969]

It isn't a race and there is no prize money.

 

[TailWindHome]

Banned former Team Sky rider Jonathan Tiernan-Locke will ride the Exmoor Beast sportive on Sunday October 19 at the invitation of event organisers who say they "firmly believe there's no such thing as bad publicity".

What they really mean

 

[SundayRider]

It isn't a race and there is no prize money.

If riders are ranked in terms of finishing time (as is the case in most sportives) then technically its a race, no?

 

[jens_attacks]

he could always get in touch with ricky ricco and go chase some climbing records

 

[Race Radio]

It isn't a race and there is no prize money.

True, but isn't the event sanctioned by the UK Fed? Would assume he could not ride a sanctioned event

 

[DirtyWorks]

It isn't a race and there is no prize money.

My read of the WADA code is the sanction applies. Maybe I'm wrong.
Remember when Wonderboy tried to show up at a FINA-sanctioned swim meet? The federation stepped in and stopped that nonsense. Same idea.

A way around the issue is he's not officially entered or some other clever nonsense. If the event were not sanctioned by BC, then he's definitely free to ride.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

he could always get in touch with ricky ricco and go chase some climbing records

JTL would lose

 

[thehog]

My read of the WADA code is the sanction applies. Maybe I'm wrong.
Remember when Wonderboy tried to show up at a FINA-sanctioned swim meet? The federation stepped in and stopped that nonsense. Same idea.

A way around the issue is he's not officially entered or some other clever nonsense. If the event were not sanctioned by BC, then he's definitely free to ride.

The ride is open to those without UCI racing licenses. The UCI has no business in Fondo's or sportives even though they are trying muscle in. There's no results management either as the roads are open. If it's a race then it requires a rolling stoppage of traffic. That will cost them 200k in police fees.

Free to ride just like Jan. Although they tried to stop him as well.

Mass participation events are just that, mass participation, not races.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The ride is open to those without UCI racing licenses. The UCI has no business in Fondo's or sportives even though they are trying muscle in. There's no results management either as the roads are open. If it's a race then it requires a rolling stoppage of traffic. That will cost them 200k in police fees.

Free to ride just like Jan. Although they tried to stop him as well.

Mass participation events are just that, mass participation, not races.

Mostly true. It's a timed event with rider variously ranked. But you have to admit that's an awkward situation.

BC sanctions an athlete then permits them to ride in BC events that times, groups riders by category, ranks results by both overall and group.

That's an unpleasant loophole.

I found a quote attributed to the promoter: Exmoor Beast promoter, Marcus Di Vincenzo, said: “If the United Kingdom Anti Doping findings, or should I say lack of them, went before a court of law, they would be kicked out on the grounds of insufficient evidence.

Kind of like Lance and his never-vacated Leadville title.

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/...-exmoor-beast-42315/?CPN=RSS&SOURCE=BRGENHOME

BC looks terrible in this situation.