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Teams & Riders Julian Alaphilippe Discussion Thread

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Akuryo said:
RedheadDane said:
Fun fact:

Julian Alaphilippe has won every one-day race he’s started this year except for the ones where Mathieu van der Poel was also riding, which were all won by Mathieu van der Poel

And Van der Poel got beaten by Kristoff and Bettiol. So obviously Bettiol/Kristoff > Alaphilippe.

The math checks out!

Seriously, though, it will be interesting to see what MVP can do now that he's properly feared (if that's the word). Alaphilippe and Fuglsang got away fair and square at Amstel and presumably would have worked together longer if they'd known what they were dealing with. I doubt anyone will make the same mistake twice.
 
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yetanothergreenworld said:
Akuryo said:
RedheadDane said:
Fun fact:

Julian Alaphilippe has won every one-day race he’s started this year except for the ones where Mathieu van der Poel was also riding, which were all won by Mathieu van der Poel

And Van der Poel got beaten by Kristoff and Bettiol. So obviously Bettiol/Kristoff > Alaphilippe.

The math checks out!

Seriously, though, it will be interesting to see what MVP can do now that he's properly feared (if that's the word). Alaphilippe and Fuglsang got away fair and square at Amstel and presumably would have worked together longer if they'd known what they were dealing with. I doubt anyone will make the same mistake twice.
They thought they were dealing with a 20 second lead over Kwiatkowski with 2km to go. I doubt they’d do much, if anything, differently with the same information.
 
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Salvarani said:
Asero831 said:
I mean why only two years?

The sport is very short-sighted and based on results. Sponsors come and go.

1-2 years is pretty standard. I think it is very rare for someone to get a 3-4 year contract.

Rare indeed, but for the face of your franchise? They have not had that since Boonen, but Alaphilippe is shaping up to be that kind of rider. They had a lot of good riders in Uran, Dan and Tony Martin, Kwiatkowski, Terpstra, Stybar, etc. but not a "generational talent" so to speak. And you want to keep a guy like that as long as possible. They did give 3 year deals recently only to Cavendish, Jungels and Asgreen if I remember correctly. Thats pretty much it, so I agree that it happens rarely. Dont you think Alaphilippe is a rider where it would've made even more sense than with the other 3 riders?
 
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Akuryo said:
Salvarani said:
Asero831 said:
I mean why only two years?

The sport is very short-sighted and based on results. Sponsors come and go.

1-2 years is pretty standard. I think it is very rare for someone to get a 3-4 year contract.

Rare indeed, but for the face of your franchise? They have not had that since Boonen, but Alaphilippe is shaping up to be that kind of rider. They had a lot of good riders in Uran, Dan and Tony Martin, Kwiatkowski, Terpstra, Stybar, etc. but not a "generational talent" so to speak. And you want to keep a guy like that as long as possible. They did give 3 year deals recently only to Cavendish, Jungels and Asgreen if I remember correctly. Thats pretty much it, so I agree that it happens rarely. Dont you think Alaphilippe is a rider where it would've made even more sense than with the other 3 riders?

Deceuninck will be the head sponsor till (at least) the end of 2021. I suppose this is the reason why they aren't signing any rider to a contract past that date.
 
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Akuryo said:
Salvarani said:
Asero831 said:
I mean why only two years?

The sport is very short-sighted and based on results. Sponsors come and go.

1-2 years is pretty standard. I think it is very rare for someone to get a 3-4 year contract.

Rare indeed, but for the face of your franchise? They have not had that since Boonen, but Alaphilippe is shaping up to be that kind of rider. They had a lot of good riders in Uran, Dan and Tony Martin, Kwiatkowski, Terpstra, Stybar, etc. but not a "generational talent" so to speak. And you want to keep a guy like that as long as possible. They did give 3 year deals recently only to Cavendish, Jungels and Asgreen if I remember correctly. Thats pretty much it, so I agree that it happens rarely. Dont you think Alaphilippe is a rider where it would've made even more sense than with the other 3 riders?

Maybe a 3-year deal is not possible because it involves more than just the team? Someone mentioned that, like Peter Sagan, maybe Specialized helped to pay part of Alaphilippe’s salary? After all, Lefereve did go to California where Specialized head office is, after that he presented the contract to Alaphilippe’s agent. Anyway, just speculation...

It’s kind of nice to see Alaphilippe is still leading UCI Individual Ranking, his team is leading UCI Team Ranking and his country, France also leads UCI Nation Ranking. It has been more than 10 weeks and will probably continue for at least another month.
 
Re: Julian Alaphilippe

Red Rick said:
Charon said:
Talk about **** you money.

Will be very hard to see QS keep Alaphilippe and Evenepoel long term, as the latter's value is skyrocketing to amounts I'm pretty sure only Ineos can pay
Yes, but with Ineos money comes Ineos-style demands. Alaphilippe is a monument winner and TdF stage and jersey winner. Whilst he will still have his freedom in the Ardennes/week long races, will he really sacrifice his ambitions in July to help Bernal (or whoever) win Yellow?
 
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Leinster said:
Red Rick said:
Charon said:
Talk about **** you money.

Will be very hard to see QS keep Alaphilippe and Evenepoel long term, as the latter's value is skyrocketing to amounts I'm pretty sure only Ineos can pay
Yes, but with Ineos money comes Ineos-style demands. Alaphilippe is a monument winner and TdF stage and jersey winner. Whilst he will still have his freedom in the Ardennes/week long races, will he really sacrifice his ambitions in July to help Bernal (or whoever) win Yellow?
Dont know what hes getting in his new QS contract but Id consider it. Problem is probably he might not make the Tour team at Ineos
 
Exactly. As a French rider, and hilly classics specialist, it surely suits him to ride for a team that will allow him to go for stage wins and the minor jerseys. Ineos is not, and will never be, that team.

For that reason, Ineos will have to offer him a premium on top of what any other team would pay. Bora or Astana or UAE can’t pay what Brailsford will offer, but they can guarantee that he’ll be free to do what he wants in July (Bora may not let him go for green until Sagan retires).
 

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