Some Rasmussen Grand Tours with and without TTs. I'm not saying he would get these exact results, but for sure he was a much better GT rider than Alaphilippe - he just had one giant flaw (before 2007 lol).Danskebjerge said:Going in to the Tour 2017, he had actually only won six road races, most of them wins in stage races. I'm not sure his TT's were so bad, but the one where he lost the podium place was marred with errors.Pantani Attacks said:Only difference was that Rasmussen was always a formidable climber and nobody doubted whether he could hang in the mountains. His TT skills is what people doubted, considering it cost him a podium place a couple of years previously in one of the most spectacular single day blowups ever.
It is extremely galling seeing people point to the Tour of California with the amazing competition and brutal course, that easy edition of the Dauphine in 2016, and even the KOM jersey, as proof that this is a natural progression.Koronin said:I want to know what program he's on because today is NOT in his abilities. He's shown time and again what he did today is not possible without major doping help of one kind or another.
Really? Since how long ago then?F_Cance said:I am done with this years tour. Biggest joke since a long time ago. As nuclear as it gets.
Thanks! Yeah, not impressive TT'ing. :lol:luckyboy said:Some Rasmussen Grand Tours with and without TTs. I'm not saying he would get these exact results, but for sure he was a much better GT rider than Alaphilippe - he just had one giant flaw (before 2007 lol).Danskebjerge said:Going in to the Tour 2017, he had actually only won six road races, most of them wins in stage races. I'm not sure his TT's were so bad, but the one where he lost the podium place was marred with errors.Pantani Attacks said:Only difference was that Rasmussen was always a formidable climber and nobody doubted whether he could hang in the mountains. His TT skills is what people doubted, considering it cost him a podium place a couple of years previously in one of the most spectacular single day blowups ever.
2003 Vuelta, TTT and 3 ITTs
With: 7th, 5:56 down
Without: 1st by 19 seconds
2004 Tour, Prologue, TTT, 2 ITTTs
With: 14th, 27:16 down
Without: 5th, 13:19 down
2005 Tour, TTT, 2 ITTs
With: 7th, 11:33 down
Without: 1st by 2:14
Well, that's not entirely clear. Because we also know Rasmussen was doped to the eyeballs before even doing major road races. He was super doped during his MTB days too, so we really have no idea where he would have been at.Pantani Attacks said:Only difference was that Rasmussen was always a formidable climber and nobody doubted whether he could hang in the mountains. His TT skills is what people doubted, considering it cost him a podium place a couple of years previously in one of the most spectacular single day blowups ever.
Max. 1 yearRipper said:Really? Since how long ago then?F_Cance said:I am done with this years tour. Biggest joke since a long time ago. As nuclear as it gets.
+ 1 :lol:ppanther92 said:Max. 1 yearRipper said:Really? Since how long ago then?F_Cance said:I am done with this years tour. Biggest joke since a long time ago. As nuclear as it gets.![]()
Maybe you should remove ITT results from others as well? A rider with best road stage finishes of 7th and 9th does not finish 5th without TTsluckyboy said:Some Rasmussen Grand Tours with and without TTs. I'm not saying he would get these exact results, but for sure he was a much better GT rider than Alaphilippe - he just had one giant flaw (before 2007 lol).Danskebjerge said:Going in to the Tour 2017, he had actually only won six road races, most of them wins in stage races. I'm not sure his TT's were so bad, but the one where he lost the podium place was marred with errors.Pantani Attacks said:Only difference was that Rasmussen was always a formidable climber and nobody doubted whether he could hang in the mountains. His TT skills is what people doubted, considering it cost him a podium place a couple of years previously in one of the most spectacular single day blowups ever.
2003 Vuelta, TTT and 3 ITTs
With: 7th, 5:56 down
Without: 1st by 19 seconds
2004 Tour, Prologue, TTT, 2 ITTTs
With: 14th, 27:16 down
Without: 5th, 13:19 down
2005 Tour, TTT, 2 ITTs
With: 7th, 11:33 down
Without: 1st by 2:14
Aicar in bidons? + yellow jersey hype? + TUE?Cookster15 said:Hate Ineous all you like but this isn't how to counter them. Pinot would have been more plausible. This is simply embarrassing for the sport. Glowing in the dark for sure. This guy couldn't even hold Bardet or Pinot's wheel in September, let alone Valverde. Now look.
So lets quit all the (bad) attempts to be funny and ask the question again - what is he on??
ClassicomanoLuigi said:![]()
From the Pau ITT - there are speeds in km/hour (vertical axis) for 165 finishers
Anomaly? Fluke statistical outliers? Natural extension of a power curve, which only conspiracists would question ?
- The right side of the graph below 41 km/hr tapers off - mostly people who are soft-pedaling and not trying
In the middle all the way up to the left edge is a mostly-smooth curve resembling some sort of power-function
Then two guys, Geraint Thomas and Julian Alaphilippe, who don't quite fit that curve. 'Gapping' everyone close
Let the 'Jalien Alienphilippe' speculation begin, throw some fuel on the fire, y'all
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I want him to be busted for honesty, and for Cyclings sake. I don't want him to be busted for France's, and cycling's sake.Fergoose said:The fact he put in such individual efforts in the first week (e.g. sprint leadout) already had my suspicions raised and puts the past 48hrs into the Froome/Cobo levels of the 2011 Vuelta (where Froome expended so much energy as a domestique, you just can't have excess energy for day after day). I'm surprised it took until the ITT for this thread to be created.
I am convinced he was sandbagging in the last km today (and deliberately feigning weakness by hanging back out of camera view for much of the climb), he'd shaken his legs ready for the sprint at 2k but didn't pull the pin and I'd love to know what was said on the radio. Yesterdays ITT had the explosiveness of a Rasmussen or Ricco and it took him at least 20 seconds after crossing the line, sliding and embracing to remember to sit down at the side. I think there is a good chance he'll withdraw at the next rest day once some tests have been processed. It's a tragedy for France given how the credible Pinot is in the form of his life and genuinely back in contention.
Even his teammate says his performance today was "hard to believe", and I'm only very slightly taking that out of context.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-2019-stage-14-finish-line-quotes/
LOL! I almost agree, but more like about 8 months!ppanther92 said:Max. 1 yearRipper said:Really? Since how long ago then?F_Cance said:I am done with this years tour. Biggest joke since a long time ago. As nuclear as it gets.![]()
luckyboy said:It is extremely galling seeing people point to the Tour of California with the amazing competition and brutal course, that easy edition of the Dauphine in 2016, and even the KOM jersey, as proof that this is a natural progression.Koronin said:I want to know what program he's on because today is NOT in his abilities. He's shown time and again what he did today is not possible without major doping help of one kind or another.
And the (much shorter) TT in Paris-Nice against Izagirre, Gallopin and old Contador is just the same as this TT two weeks into the Tour of course!
Very entertaining post! I will think of you if some dramatic news occurs on MondayFergoose said:The fact he put in such individual efforts in the first week (e.g. sprint leadout) already had my suspicions raised and puts the past 48hrs into the Froome/Cobo levels of the 2011 Vuelta (where Froome expended so much energy as a domestique, you just can't have excess energy for day after day). I'm surprised it took until the ITT for this thread to be created.
I am convinced he was sandbagging in the last km today (and deliberately feigning weakness by hanging back out of camera view for much of the climb), he'd shaken his legs ready for the sprint at 2k but didn't pull the pin and I'd love to know what was said on the radio. Yesterdays ITT had the explosiveness of a Rasmussen or Ricco and it took him at least 20 seconds after crossing the line, sliding and embracing to remember to sit down at the side. I think there is a good chance he'll withdraw at the next rest day once some tests have been processed. It's a tragedy for France given how the credible Pinot is in the form of his life and genuinely back in contention.
Even his teammate says his performance today was "hard to believe", and I'm only very slightly taking that out of context.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-2019-stage-14-finish-line-quotes/
I don't believe AICAR works instantly. I'm leaning towards micro-dosing EPO and a rest day blood bag and.lartiste said:Aicar in bidons? + yellow jersey hype? + TUE?Cookster15 said:Hate Ineous all you like but this isn't how to counter them. Pinot would have been more plausible. This is simply embarrassing for the sport. Glowing in the dark for sure. This guy couldn't even hold Bardet or Pinot's wheel in September, let alone Valverde. Now look.
So lets quit all the (bad) attempts to be funny and ask the question again - what is he on??
LMAO! Come on, Froome/Cobo levels? This is not even close. Is it alien? Could be, although I've reacted to a couple of these insane performances where things start to level off completely in week 3 (or the wheels come off completely, like Yates last year), so I will hold off till later this week before I fully think the alien has landed.Fergoose said:The fact he put in such individual efforts in the first week (e.g. sprint leadout) already had my suspicions raised and puts the past 48hrs into the Froome/Cobo levels of the 2011 Vuelta (where Froome expended so much energy as a domestique, you just can't have excess energy for day after day). I'm surprised it took until the ITT for this thread to be created.
I am convinced he was sandbagging in the last km today (and deliberately feigning weakness by hanging back out of camera view for much of the climb), he'd shaken his legs ready for the sprint at 2k but didn't pull the pin and I'd love to know what was said on the radio. Yesterdays ITT had the explosiveness of a Rasmussen or Ricco and it took him at least 20 seconds after crossing the line, sliding and embracing to remember to sit down at the side. I think there is a good chance he'll withdraw at the next rest day once some tests have been processed. It's a tragedy for France given how the credible Pinot is in the form of his life and genuinely back in contention.
Even his teammate says his performance today was "hard to believe", and I'm only very slightly taking that out of context.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-2019-stage-14-finish-line-quotes/
I'm inclinded towards this view. As an athlete, with his physique and palmares, he should be able to do any of the things he did during this Tour in isolation. The Tourmalet climb was impressive, but I don't think it was raced super hard, given that for example Barguil was able to finish 8th. Alarms will be going off all around if he keeps this up, but I fully expect him to blow spectacularly on of the next stages.Akuryo said:So far, this is still reasonable, even though of course questionable at the same time. He is a generational talent regarding classics/one day racing. So then he attacks and gets the jersey on a stage made for a rider like him. So far so good. He then smashes everyone in a TT where a puncheur and great descender like him is also favored. Still plausible. He goes on to not only limit his losses but increases his lead on the freaking Tourmalet. So now I could maybe argue that you could go into the red for one day to keep the jersey. "Power of Yellow" and stuff like that. BUT ... everything he adds now is really suspicious. Maybe we will see a meltdown like Yates in last years Giro and Ineos takes the lead and everything goes 'back to normal'. Or maybe Alaphilippe will win this Tour and it would be even harder to belive than Horner, Cobo or Landis in their respective GT-wins.