Julian Arredondo discussion thread

[roundabout]

He's doing fantastic in his first GT! Stage win, been attacking nonstop the entire race, and looks like he will bring home the mountains jersey. Most definitely a future leader for the GT's. One hell of a talent.

most definitely not, unless you mean it in Ulissi sense

 

[Arredondo]

most definitely not, unless you mean it in Ulissi sense

Arredondo is a better climber then Ulissi. So it's not really comparable. In the future, im sure he can grow to a level higher than a Kiserlovski (in terms of riding a GC).

 

[roundabout]

it's comparable because he has shown nothing that would indicate 3 week consistency and so far the potential lies in stage hunting

 

[Arredondo]

it's comparable because he has shown nothing that would indicate 3 week consistency and so far the potential lies in stage hunting

He said before the Giro he wouldn't ride for GC anyway. And he crashed and lost 18 minutes on the stage to Montecassino. I wonder what he would have done if he was still in a good position prior to the first real mountain stages.

Did Andy Schleck showed a indication of a three week consistency before the Giro 07? Or Froome before the Vuelta 11?

 

[roundabout]

He said before the Giro he wouldn't ride for GC anyway. And he crashed and lost 18 minutes on the stage to Montecassino. I wonder what he would have done if he was still in a good position prior to the first real mountain stages.

Did Andy Schleck showed a indication of a three week consistency before the Giro 07? Or Froome before the Vuelta 11?

Uh

Oropa - works hard, thins the group, blows up before the hard part even starts

Montecampione - less said the better

Allegedly hanging on to cars on the Stelvio stage

Not including all the "rest" days he gave himself.

Hardly doing a Sella or being anywhere near to doing a Sella.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Uh

Oropa - works hard, thins the group, blows up before the hard part even starts

Montecampione - less said the better

Allegedly hanging on to cars on the Stelvio stage

Not including all the "rest" days he gave himself.

Hardly doing a Sella or being anywhere near to doing a Sella.

he hang onto cars just like 80 other riders were doing

 

[Arredondo]

Uh

Oropa - works hard, thins the group, blows up before the hard part even starts

Montecampione - less said the better

Allegedly hanging on to cars on the Stelvio stage

Not including all the "rest" days he gave himself.

Hardly doing a Sella or being anywhere near to doing a Sella.

If you aren't in the mix for a good place in GC anymore, you're concentration becomes less.

Im not saying he would have ridden a good GC already this year, but in the future surely he's capable of doing that.

 

[ILovecycling]

when are kreuziger/könig going to do a 1-2 in a GT?

If all colombians won't receive visa?

 

[Afrank]

it's comparable because he has shown nothing that would indicate 3 week consistency and so far the potential lies in stage hunting

It is his first GT. Have to give him some time to develop. He can improve his consistency over 3 weeks through riding more GT's and in his development as a rider.

Don't forget, he's still pretty young, only 25. He's not going to be a Quintana like rider, but what I've seen so far bodes well for his future in GT's.

 

[luckyboy]

Hardly doing a Sella or being anywhere near to doing a Sella.

Don't think we want to see anyone do a Sella anymore do we?

 

[roundabout]

Sella is merely the first example that came to my mind of a GC rider who still tried every day despite losing a lot of time.

I am sure that there have been others.

 

[Christian]

I think we are not doing Arredondo a favour by constantly wondering whether he may one day become a GT candidate. Before the Giro he said outright that he wouldn't concern himself with the GC and only try for stages. Worked out great for him, much better than an anonymous 15th place on GC. That said, he won Langkawi and came in 5th in Tirreno, so those are very promising results.

I am quite surprised by how good he is, it really makes you wonder how no one picked him up sooner. He seems to be a true racer, always happy and eager to compete and to win. That is great to see. It seems to me that his team has hinted a few times in between the lines that he is not so great in terms of team work or accepting team orders. The future will show whether it's over-enthusiasm or selfishness. Either way - he has got the results to back it up, so the team probably won't complain too much!

 

[icefire]

I think we are not doing Arredondo a favour by constantly wondering whether he may one day become a GT candidate. Before the Giro he said outright that he wouldn't concern himself with the GC and only try for stages. Worked out great for him, much better than an anonymous 15th place on GC. That said, he won Langkawi and came in 5th in Tirreno, so those are very promising results.

I am quite surprised by how good he is, it really makes you wonder how no one picked him up sooner. He seems to be a true racer, always happy and eager to compete and to win. That is great to see. It seems to me that his team has hinted a few times in between the lines that he is not so great in terms of team work or accepting team orders. The future will show whether it's over-enthusiasm or selfishness. Either way - he has got the results to back it up, so the team probably won't complain too much!

He should go to Lampre then

 

[Ruby United]

Might as well create a random ****ty rider discussion thread

Ur regretting that now...

 

[hfer07]

I think we are not doing Arredondo a favour by constantly wondering whether he may one day become a GT candidate. Before the Giro he said outright that he wouldn't concern himself with the GC and only try for stages. Worked out great for him, much better than an anonymous 15th place on GC. That said, he won Langkawi and came in 5th in Tirreno, so those are very promising results.

I am quite surprised by how good he is, it really makes you wonder how no one picked him up sooner. He seems to be a true racer, always happy and eager to compete and to win. That is great to see. It seems to me that his team has hinted a few times in between the lines that he is not so great in terms of team work or accepting team orders. The future will show whether it's over-enthusiasm or selfishness. Either way - he has got the results to back it up, so the team probably won't complain too much!

I agree- he's suited better as a week long stage racer & stage hunter than a fully committed GT rider. Perhaps he could well evolve into one, but his team should help him to achieve it naturally-nurture it instead of force him.

He should go to Lampre then

HELL NOOOO!!!! Look at what they have done to the Colombians there - NOTHING - they SUCK !!!

 

[Christian]

Reception for Arredondo in his home town (Ciudad Bolivar)

 

[trevim]

Are they aware he races a bike and not a motorcycle?
Anyway, it's pretty cool he gets a reception like that.

 

[Christian]

And Trek rewarded him with a new contract:

http://www.trekfactoryracing.com/news/arredondo-re-signs-trek-factory-racing

Right they are, he is the best thing that could have happened to them. His next races will be Utah and Colorado... I am 100% certain he will deliver there again!

 

[trevim]

And Trek rewarded him with a new contract:

http://www.trekfactoryracing.com/news/arredondo-re-signs-trek-factory-racing

Right they are, he is the best thing that could have happened to them. His next races will be Utah and Colorado... I am 100% certain he will deliver there again!

Canadian races and Lombardia are also worth be given a shot

 

[gospina]

Canadian races and Lombardia are also worth be given a shot

Trek did very good to pick him up. Trek are doing the opposite of OPQS. Moving away from 3 week Grand Tours, focusing more on stages, classics, one day races. Arredondo wants that. Trek has the Shlecks...wouldn't be surprised that their contract won't be renewed. They have good talent, like Busche, for instance.

 

[Akuryo]

Trek did very good to pick him up. Trek are doing the opposite of OPQS. Moving away from 3 week Grand Tours, focusing more on stages, classics, one day races. Arredondo wants that. Trek has the Shlecks...wouldn't be surprised that their contract won't be renewed. They have good talent, like Busche, for instance.

OPQS got one real GT-rider and that is Uran. Kwiatkowski is (at the moment) more of a classics-dude than a real contender for the Tour. And I don't see the Belgians moving towards GT's. They are by far the most balanced team out there. They have guys for sprints, for cobbles, for time trials, for hills and now with Uran even MTFs. So they are not focussing on anything in particular.

 

[Kokoso]

Re:

Canadian races and Lombardia are also worth be given a shot

Trek did very good to pick him up.

Certainly doesn't look that way in hindsight. Seeing talks whether he can be GT contender or week stage contender... What happened with that guy? Totally disappeared.
Aren't Colombians are more irregular then others on average?

 

[Christian]

Re: Re:

Canadian races and Lombardia are also worth be given a shot

Trek did very good to pick him up.

Certainly doesn't look that way in hindsight. Seeing talks whether he can be GT contender or week stage contender... What happened with that guy? Totally disappeared.
Aren't Colombians are more irregular then others on average?

True - in hindsight he has not delivered as expected after his first season. They maybe should not have rewarded him with a new contract so soon, I remember someone warning about this on the forum two years ago. In an interview at the beginning of the season he said that he had a saddle-issue, that resulted in a bad position on the bike and muscle problems, if I recall correctly, and that was the reason why he underperformed last year.

Last year the only time I really remember him was in Tour de Suisse where he showed himself at the front a few times. This year I think he has had some okay results which could show that he is on a good path, but that's being optimistic, and he is certainly nowhere near where he was two years ago.

Trek could also be part of the problem though - they do not particularly excel at developing talents, and I feel like those who have made it (Jungels, Van Poppel, Stuyven) have done so rather despite Trek than thanks to Trek.

 

[Ruudz0r]

Re: Re:

Canadian races and Lombardia are also worth be given a shot

Trek did very good to pick him up.

Certainly doesn't look that way in hindsight. Seeing talks whether he can be GT contender or week stage contender... What happened with that guy? Totally disappeared.
Aren't Colombians are more irregular then others on average?

True - in hindsight he has not delivered as expected after his first season. They maybe should not have rewarded him with a new contract so soon, I remember someone warning about this on the forum two years ago. In an interview at the beginning of the season he said that he had a saddle-issue, that resulted in a bad position on the bike and muscle problems, if I recall correctly, and that was the reason why he underperformed last year.

Last year the only time I really remember him was in Tour de Suisse where he showed himself at the front a few times. This year I think he has had some okay results which could show that he is on a good path, but that's being optimistic, and he is certainly nowhere near where he was two years ago.

Trek could also be part of the problem though - they do not particularly excel at developing talents, and I feel like those who have made it (Jungels, Van Poppel, Stuyven) have done so rather despite Trek than thanks to Trek.

He has been on the ground A LOT this season, I dont know if his saddle problem is fully solved though, if not he might retire after this year.

 

[Ruudz0r]

Time to give this a bump, wonder if other people still believe in, he is going back to Nippo and the doctors there said they think he can resolve his problems that kept him from being at his best in the last 2 years. He is one of the most friendly guys in the peloton, really hope he can make a comeback and show his talents.