JV talks, sort of

[Dear Wiggo]

I am not aware of any catabolic steroid that can target a certain part of the anatomy. If JV is claiming this then it is totally some smokescreen

JV is not claiming Dekker will use a steroid. I think riding on an empty stomach in the morning is the preferred method of inducing catabolism. It's what Wiggins claims to have been doing.

Probably. Thomas' extra weight is about half fat, but also about 2 kgs of upper body muscle mass that he acquired while serving his suspension. When you are consistently racing and training your body catabolizes upper body muscle. But when you aren't doing so much exercise, your upper body goes back to a more normal state. I've gained around 3kgs of upper body muscle, without ever lifting weights, just since I quit racing (I've also gained some fat!)...Anyhow, losing that 4 kgs will be very rough for TD. He'll need to put himself in a severely catabolic state on a few occasions to make it happen, as it's not just fat he needs to lose.

The interesting thing in all of this is that it seems that the body catabolizes inactive muscle groups more readily than active ones. When cyclists become very catabolic they tend to eat up their upper bodies more than legs. Amazes me that the endocrine system could be that smart, but there you go.

JV

 

[thehog]

Shocking......

Since that time, Mr. Vaughters’ employer, Slipstream Sports, has received several phone calls from Mr. Armstrong suggesting that Mr. Vaughters should be removed from the management of Slipstream Sports

 

[richwagmn]

So why no suspension for Vaughters? Or did I miss something?

 

[thehog]

So why no suspension for Vaughters? Or did I miss something?

SOL. 10 years.

 

[The Gnome]

JV...your team mission might be believable and taken seriously if you would sit your three suspended riders out for the whole of next season...anything else is a bit of a joke...

 

[Benotti69]

Adam Meyerson telling it straight

Adam Myerson ‏@AdamMyerson

You mother****ers have a LOT of work to do to pay your debt back to all of us.

 

[Red Lobster]

JV...your team mission might be believable and taken seriously if you would sit your three suspended riders out for the whole of next season...anything else is a bit of a joke...

How did you formulate that dictate? Just a hair shirt kind of thing?

 

[Red Lobster]

Adam Meyerson telling it straight

Why so up in arms all of a sudden about these "motherf*ckers"? Was he living under some kind of rock the past decade? If anything (assuming for a moment there is some semblance of truth in the confessions), it's a lot less doping than I would have guessed.

Maybe I'd save my bile for Armstrong, Horner, Livingston, etc.

 

[Benotti69]

Why so up in arms all of a sudden about these "motherf*ckers"? Was he living under some kind of rock the past decade? If anything (assuming for a moment there is some semblance of truth in the confessions), it's a lot less doping than I would have guessed.

Maybe I'd save my bile for Armstrong, Horner, Livingston, etc.

Meyerson aint up in arms. He is being saying similar against dopers since he joined twitter.

 

[Red Lobster]

Meyerson aint up in arms. He is being saying similar against dopers since he joined twitter.

Well, so he IS up in arms, just not all of a sudden. I get it ... but if anything all these little guys caught up in the Armstrong buzzsaw come off as somewhat more sympathetic today (some more than others). The big mystery for me at the moment is Livingston, Horner, et al. ... what's the deal with those motherf*ckers???

 

[The Gnome]

How did you formulate that dictate? Just a hair shirt kind of thing?

take a deep breath...it's just an opinion...

 

[Maxiton]

These guys may have been compelled under law to come forward, but since coming forward they have apparently held nothing back and cooperated fully. If the goal of USADA is to eliminate doping, riders who cooperate fully in an investigation should receive the minimum sanction. If Armstrong had cooperated, he too would have received lesser sanction. (Though in his case he couldn't even if he wanted to because of civil and criminal jeopardy.) This is not supposed to be about vindictiveness, or even punishment; it's about cleaning up the sport.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Reading pages 16 and 17 of the JV-affidavit. Doesn't sound like he was clean at CA.

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/JV+Vaughters+Jonathan+Affidavit.pdf

 

[The Gnome]

I don't think a year long suspension is "vindictive"...being suspended over the winter and starting anew next season seems abit much to me, that's all...but that's just me...

 

[WinterRider]

Reading pages 16 and 17 of the JV-affidavit. Doesn't sound like he was clean at CA.

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/JV+Vaughters+Jonathan+Affidavit.pdf

He wasn't, and he's already admitted that.

 

[sniper]

So, the 2009 TdF...
A doped up Lance beats Wiggo by just half a minute. Go figure.
And not only that, also this:

Wiggins, who started fourth overall, was magnificent in defending his position and has been the revelation of the Tour. Fighting off a known mountain specialist like Frank Schleck, who started just 23 second behind him, and dealing with the multi-talented Andreas Kloden was a superb achievement for a man hardly built to conquer mountains.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...cures-fourth-place-with-magnificent-ride.html

 

[Maxiton]

I don't think a year long suspension is "vindictive"...being suspended over the winter and starting anew next season seems abit much to me, that's all...but that's just me...

Rather than heavily sanction riders who tell what they know - which is the standard practice of the UCI - the USADA approach of a light sanction for cooperating riders actually encourages other riders to break omerta.

 

[Big Daddy]

Vaughters and his clean talk really has been ****ing me off. Why does he get a pass and guys like Tyler and Floyd are broke and condemned?

 

[goggalor]

I don't think a year long suspension is "vindictive"...being suspended over the winter and starting anew next season seems abit much to me, that's all...but that's just me...

Totally agree. 6 months from September is absolutely pathetic. These guys cheated for years. They deserve at least a season out, or more.

 

[cineteq]

Totally agree. 6 months from September is absolutely pathetic. These guys cheated for years. They deserve at least a season out, or more.

a year out would be fair.

 

[Big Daddy]

Yeah. Agree. 6 months when 3-4 of those months are really during winter don't do anything. 1 yr ban would have been fair.

 

[Merckx index]

Yeah. Agree. 6 months when 3-4 of those months are really during winter don't do anything. 1 yr ban would have been fair.

Were all of you complaining when Contador got a ban of just a few months?

The point being, the weight of these sanctions was retroactive. Levi lost more than 7 years of results, most of the others two or more.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Contador gets done for drugs while riding, no admittance, no confession, no useful info, keeps winning Gts, and effectively gets 6 months out.

I say let them have their punishment, it fits the current climate fine.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

6 months i pretty GOOD. Without this, no one will ever talk. I really wonder why some of you guys don´t get that. Ok, i don´t want to have bad feelings today. It´s just too good.

So back to the topic. I was always (at some point still am) critical of JV. But since he came forward in the clinic, plus told his riders to be open.... well, i love you now JV.

Edit: I have to add that you guys miss out on the point that riders also lost some of their results. Seems nothing can make you happy. No matter how things go... Sad behaviours on such a great day.

Edit, Edit: Now i think i have to write JV my thanks. He earned it....

 

[goggalor]

Reading pages 16 and 17 of the JV-affidavit. Doesn't sound like he was clean at CA.

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/JV+Vaughters+Jonathan+Affidavit.pdf

So Vandevelde was doping way back in 2001, yet was only stripped of his results from from June 4th 2004 to April 31st 2006? Why? Why only from 2004 and why only to early 2006? Did he claim he stopped doping then? Just curious if the report says anything about this. Also really strange that two years later he was out of nowhere 4th in the Tour... clean.

Contador gets done for drugs while riding, no admittance, no confession, no useful info, keeps winning Gts, and effectively gets 6 months out.

I say let them have their punishment, it fits the current climate fine.

Still lost one Tour, mised another and also lost a Giro, for a few picograms of clenbuterol. These guys took EPO for years. And yes, USADA does need to give reduced bans for talking, but no more than a year. Especially since these guys didn't just confess out of the blue, if they didn't have their backs against the wall they would've kept their mouths shut.