Kenny Williams

[Oldman]

It costs about $300 for a 12-week cycle of testosterone and a steroid like EQ with a eight week post cycle therapy program of clomid or nolvadex. I'm sure Annette would pony up.

Now you're just taking it personally. Did he win a local training crit ahead of you and cost you a box of Powerbars? You're point about the expense is noted, by the way. Where are you getting yours?

 

[HelmutRoole]

Now you're just taking it personally. Did he win a local training crit ahead of you and cost you a box of Powerbars? You're point about the expense is noted, by the way. Where are you getting yours?

I've got my reason for taking it personally, as do a lot of others. You however, are a KW jock sniffer and apologist so I'm sure you're bummed about not getting to see him race for the next two years.

BTW, thanks for continuing to bump this thread. I'm sure Kenny appreciates it.

 

[Ripper]

Williams sounds like a bit of an a-hole. Never raced against him (I don't think), but sounds like a treat

 

[Oldman]

I've got my reason for taking it personally, as do a lot of others. You however, are a KW jock sniffer and apologist so I'm sure you're bummed about not getting to see him race for the next two years.

BTW, thanks for continuing to bump this thread. I'm sure Kenny appreciates it.

I'm neither an apologist or a camp follower and I doubt KW appreciates any of this. His explanation was weak and he gets to serve his time. As for racing against him there are many better local riders to compete against; hopefully you are among them.
The problem is with local and national officials that don't want to deal with it. Burning the witch may give you some temporary satisfaction until you get good enough to race out of this venue. Then you'll face the daily reality some of the pros that have offered their opinion have spoken about. So, what do you propose to help prevent this sort of local abuse? Calling me names isn't going to change anything.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I'm neither an apologist or a camp follower and I doubt KW appreciates any of this. His explanation was weak and he gets to serve his time. As for racing against him there are many better local riders to compete against; hopefully you are among them.
The problem is with local and national officials that don't want to deal with it. Burning the witch may give you some temporary satisfaction until you get good enough to race out of this venue. Then you'll face the daily reality some of the pros that have offered their opinion have spoken about. So, what do you propose to help prevent this sort of local abuse? Calling me names isn't going to change anything.

When it comes to calling names "he started it" is a weak retort. If you ask me (and I realize no one did) what would make me the maddest would be your "where did you get yours?" You are pretty much picking a fight asking that question and I think Helmut did a good job of resisting. We don't need to fight amongst ourselves guys.

 

[Oldman]

When it comes to calling names "he started it" is a weak retort. If you ask me (and I realize no one did) what would make me the maddest would be your "where did you get yours?" You are pretty much picking a fight asking that question and I think Helmut did a good job of resisting. We don't need to fight amongst ourselves guys.

You're right; that was a weak, cheap shot. Helmet deserves my apology for that. The cost information he had cited on another thread and his reference piece is illuminating. It does appear it is not that expensive to run a kitchen sink program. I shouldn't have jumped to any conclusions based on what knowledge he presented. I'd still encourage him and other locals keep the pressure on the proper authorities.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.bicyclepaper.com/news/2010/04/22/letter_to_the_editor_-_under_suspension

this guy is all class.

 

[dolophonic]

Unreal.. ..

 

[BikeCentric]

Wow, I don't know who's classier, KW or the race promotor...

 

[Oldman]

Wow, I don't know who's classier, KW or the race promotor...

Unfortunately the Race promoter is his longtime friend and accepted KW's explanation at face value as did many others. KW's explanation was convenient and irrelevant. His participation put his friend, local hard working officials and others at risk of being sanctioned themselves. To me that was the amazing part. As a post script at last night's edition of the race: one cyclist stood at the front of the pack and described the general feeling of all present-that KW had previously violated the local trust, is banned and cannot ride. That he did ride was adding insult to injury. Most of the riders were prepared to go home. KW then apologized and did not race (he was not kitted up).
The promoter is guilty only of being a friend and was swept up with the rest of the internet vitriol. I think he now knows the real sentiment and, hopefully; KW will apologize to him for what he actually tested for and how long he used PEDs.

 

[montel]

A similar situation happened with a road pro from Nor Cal serving a suspension in 2005-2006 who raced a non USCF MTB race series CCCX - The organizer asked him nicely not to return if I remember correctly...

I have even heard of a suspended rider racing under an assumed name...in the sport class and winning by large margins...Classy

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Here is why I find this story far more egregious than hearing of an Italian 24-year old who was busted for EPO.

Guys who are the Masters professionals fit the demographic of someone who has some kind of a career, education, possibly family, and perhaps found cycling a bit late and instead of a tryst with a young waitress, endeavor to approach cycle racing as their mid-life crisis. This kind of vicarious re-birth, and an often deep savings/bank account, leads to a temporary suspension, or complete flushing, of ones sensibilities.

Not knowing anything other than my speculations above, I find DHEA to be suspect as well. Not a true "enhancing" substance, the thought it was bridging a cycle only serves as smoke for a bigger fire. Without anything else, I find this to be far more damaging to the sport, as it impacts the grassroots racing communities and sullies the regional racing scene, driving people away from the joy of competing.

This kind of mentality is best pointed in the direction of the local gym, where guys like this can "be all they can be" and pump weights, and each other.

 

[Ibanez]

Here is why I find this story far more egregious than hearing of an Italian 24-year old who was busted for EPO.

Guys who are the Masters professionals fit the demographic of someone who has some kind of a career, education, possibly family, and perhaps found cycling a bit late and instead of a tryst with a young waitress, endeavor to approach cycle racing as their mid-life crisis. This kind of vicarious re-birth, and an often deep savings/bank account, leads to a temporary suspension, or complete flushing, of ones sensibilities.

Not knowing anything other than my speculations above, I find DHEA to be suspect as well. Not a true "enhancing" substance, the thought it was bridging a cycle only serves as smoke for a bigger fire. Without anything else, I find this to be far more damaging to the sport, as it impacts the grassroots racing communities and sullies the regional racing scene, driving people away from the joy of competing.

This kind of mentality is best pointed in the direction of the local gym, where guys like this can "be all they can be" and pump weights, and each other.

I know I'm not really adding anything here, but your posts are always top quality. Well done sir.

Also, Olympic Champ LaShawn Merritt just tested positive for the same substance.

 

[Oldman]

Here is why I find this story far more egregious than hearing of an Italian 24-year old who was busted for EPO.

Guys who are the Masters professionals fit the demographic of someone who has some kind of a career, education, possibly family, and perhaps found cycling a bit late and instead of a tryst with a young waitress, endeavor to approach cycle racing as their mid-life crisis. This kind of vicarious re-birth, and an often deep savings/bank account, leads to a temporary suspension, or complete flushing, of ones sensibilities.

Not knowing anything other than my speculations above, I find DHEA to be suspect as well. Not a true "enhancing" substance, the thought it was bridging a cycle only serves as smoke for a bigger fire. Without anything else, I find this to be far more damaging to the sport, as it impacts the grassroots racing communities and sullies the regional racing scene, driving people away from the joy of competing.

This kind of mentality is best pointed in the direction of the local gym, where guys like this can "be all they can be" and pump weights, and each other.

True and the local sentiment mirror yours. Too many old guys are spending lots of money on equipment, coaching, etc. only to find out they can't change their genetic potential. Unless they cheat. That they aren't feeding some poor family with cycling trade makes it a much worse type of cheating. It's a lie not shared on the same level the pros grapple with.

 

[BikeCentric]

Here is why I find this story far more egregious than hearing of an Italian 24-year old who was busted for EPO.

Guys who are the Masters professionals fit the demographic of someone who has some kind of a career, education, possibly family, and perhaps found cycling a bit late and instead of a tryst with a young waitress, endeavor to approach cycle racing as their mid-life crisis. This kind of vicarious re-birth, and an often deep savings/bank account, leads to a temporary suspension, or complete flushing, of ones sensibilities.

Not knowing anything other than my speculations above, I find DHEA to be suspect as well. Not a true "enhancing" substance, the thought it was bridging a cycle only serves as smoke for a bigger fire. Without anything else, I find this to be far more damaging to the sport, as it impacts the grassroots racing communities and sullies the regional racing scene, driving people away from the joy of competing.

This kind of mentality is best pointed in the direction of the local gym, where guys like this can "be all they can be" and pump weights, and each other.

Well said.

Although it sounds like those guys up in OR are doing a good job self-policing their community.

 

[Oldman]

Well said.

Although it sounds like those guys up in OR are doing a good job self-policing their community.

Seattle. Washington State.

 

[Karma02]

Hainsworth editorial in NW bicycle paper

Couple of points here:
1. Sounds like a witch hunt. It is not the racers, race promotors or officials who get to decide if one has been punished enough or not or if they have shown remorse. This appears to be part of the point this person is trying to make.
2. Why is it ok to say 1 rule should be followed and another can not?
3. Consider the source of this "editorial". It is an editorial from a local racer who has been racing against Kenny for 15+ years with an obvious long time jealously issue. I know this person and know he is not respected or liked in the peleton and was written purely for his own self interest, not done in the spirit of helping cycling.
4. His personal problem has the potential to hurt NW cycling. It is causing people to be forced to choose "sides"; potentially losing a race promotor; potential to lose the race he seems to be fighting for

 

[BikeCentric]

Couple of points here:
1. Sounds like a witch hunt. It is not the racers, race promotors or officials who get to decide if one has been punished enough or not or if they have shown remorse. This appears to be part of the point this person is trying to make.
2. Why is it ok to say 1 rule should be followed and another can not?
3. Consider the source of this "editorial". It is an editorial from a local racer who has been racing against Kenny for 15+ years with an obvious long time jealously issue. I know this person and know he is not respected or liked in the peleton and was written purely for his own self interest, not done in the spirit of helping cycling.
4. His personal problem has the potential to hurt NW cycling. It is causing people to be forced to choose "sides"; potentially losing a race promotor; potential to lose the race he seems to be fighting for

Your points are irrelevent. The dude is banned from racing due to illegal PED use. Simple as.

 

[BikeCentric]

Couple of points here:
1. Sounds like a witch hunt. It is not the racers, race promotors or officials who get to decide if one has been punished enough or not or if they have shown remorse. This appears to be part of the point this person is trying to make.
2. Why is it ok to say 1 rule should be followed and another can not?
3. Consider the source of this "editorial". It is an editorial from a local racer who has been racing against Kenny for 15+ years with an obvious long time jealously issue. I know this person and know he is not respected or liked in the peleton and was written purely for his own self interest, not done in the spirit of helping cycling.
4. His personal problem has the potential to hurt NW cycling. It is causing people to be forced to choose "sides"; potentially losing a race promotor; potential to lose the race he seems to be fighting for

I have another point to ad that is equally as pertinent as your points. Consider this: kittens are fuzzy and cute.

 

[Race Radio]

Couple of points here:
1. Sounds like a witch hunt. It is not the racers, race promotors or officials who get to decide if one has been punished enough or not or if they have shown remorse. This appears to be part of the point this person is trying to make.
2. Why is it ok to say 1 rule should be followed and another can not?
3. Consider the source of this "editorial". It is an editorial from a local racer who has been racing against Kenny for 15+ years with an obvious long time jealously issue. I know this person and know he is not respected or liked in the peleton and was written purely for his own self interest, not done in the spirit of helping cycling.
4. His personal problem has the potential to hurt NW cycling. It is causing people to be forced to choose "sides"; potentially losing a race promotor; potential to lose the race he seems to be fighting for

When you say that people are "Forced to choose sides" what you really mean is forced to follow rules

Why do some people call following the rules a "Witch Hunt"?

 

[Karma02]

Hainsworth editorial in NW bicycle paper

No, I'm not missing the point and you are not reading what I wrote. #2 was play by the rules or not? Rule is no racing for 2 yrs. Non sanctioned races don't apply. He is not breaking a rule.

This whole thread was restarted because of an editorial by a hothead with his own agenda. My point is why do we keep running over the flat cat when it is hurting local racing instead of helping anyone from preventing drug use?

 

[Race Radio]

Guess you missed this part

any rider with a USA Cycling license that knowingly participates in a race sanctioned or unsanctioned by USA Cycling which has a rider currently under suspension, can be disciplined

 

[Karma02]

Hainsworth editorial in NW bicycle paper

No did not miss this.
This was taken from the "editorial" it is not fact.

 

[Race Radio]

No did not miss this.
This was taken from the "editorial" it is not fact.

It is fact. In fact it was this same issue that kept Landis from racing MTN bikes while suspend. It is the same reason why Tyler was asked to leave the local Boulder crit series.

 

[131313]

No, I'm not missing the point and you are not reading what I wrote. #2 was play by the rules or not? Rule is no racing for 2 yrs. Non sanctioned races don't apply. He is not breaking a rule.

Yes, he was breaking a rule:

10.10 Status During Ineligibility

10.10.1 Prohibition Against Participation During Ineligibility
No Athlete or other Person who has been declared Ineligible may, during the period of Ineligibility, participate in any capacity in a Competition or activity (other than authorized anti-doping education or rehabilitation programs) authorized or organized by any Signatory, Signatory's member organization, or a club or other member organization of a Signatory’s member organization, or in Competitions authorized or organized by any professional league or any international- or national-level Event organization.
An Athlete or other Person subject to a period of Ineligibility longer than four (4) years may, after completing four (4) years of the period of Ineligibility, participate in local sport events in a sport other than the sport in which the Athlete or other Person committed the anti-doping rule violation, but only so long as the local sport event is not at a level that could otherwise qualify such Athlete or other Person directly or indirectly to compete in (or accumulate points toward) a national championship or International Event.
An Athlete or other Person subject to a period of Ineligibility shall remain subject to Testing.

The race is organized by a registered USAC team, and raced by USAC members, all of whom are signatories to USAC's rules. He broke the rule, whether he knew it or not (I believe him when he says he didn't know). Thus, he's looking at best having his suspension re-start as of last Thursday.

Hainsworth is hardly the only person upset about it, and there's no 'choosing sides'. Pretty much everyone was willing to boycott the race, with very few exceptions. The promoter exhibited really poor judgment in letting him race. And let's not pretend Seward Park is a philanthropic adventure for those involved. It's a cash cow, and if they walked away from it, pretty much every other team in the NW would be lined up to promote the race. I like the promoter, but his friendship with Williams clouded his judgment.

Your reference to this as a 'witch hunt' is ridiculous. William's actions, whether in violation of his suspension or not (it clearly was) sent a message that he simply didn't respect the sanction he was given. I doubt that was his intent, and I don't thing he's inherently a bad guy, but that's the message it sent. Lots of people made him aware of that, and I think he got the message, maybe.

However, when he said before the race about how cycling was 'taken away from him' (I wasn't there but several of my friends were), I'm still left scratching my head. Nothing was taken away from him; he forfeited the privilege to race.