Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[Cobblestoned]

Hey look, Vaughters is the one who told the story. And he did tell the story. Seems JV likes to jazz things up...in more than just that context evidently.

At least, we agree here.
From Saulus to Paulus (for the gullible people).

 

[BotanyBay]

Hey, doesn't Floyd live near Hemet, a rather odd place for a man with no visible income to reside?

He lives in Idyllwild. 6,000 feet up above Hemet and Palm Springs. A great place to live if you want to be left alone.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Hey, doesn't Floyd live near Hemet, a rather odd place for a man with no visible income to reside?

Could be he has some leftover cash from the livestrong withmom stucknut investers….errrrrrrr defense funders. Or Greg Lemond has him set up?

Stick to the fish hacks transcript @ velocity.

 

[Anonymous]

At least, we agree here.
From Saulus to Paulus (for the gullible people).

I wonder if Paulus picked up some stylish clothes when he got to Damascus? That JV sure does dress smartly...

 

[fatandfast]

Fatandfast

You must have something invested in the corruption.

and I bet your not that fast.

fast is relative still under an hour at districts...this year may be different after 35+ inches of snow and sub 25deg temps.

Landis is the corruption. He played the game by the rules and as the article points out went from making 6 grand to millions. He thought he knew all the rules those written and those understood. He was wrong then and now. Getting spanked and lusting for girls don't make you write a book about being clean after you doped. There is a list of convicted cycling dopers Coppi's c@#k. Nobody reacted the way Landis has..why continue to revisit why his friend offed himself when it had nothing to do with the original event. 400 hours of church and the push toward doping..ok I can see the relevance. There is alot of the article dedicated to sadness..all around.from himself,friends, marriage, family, faith, finances,,,the guy was going to crumble no matter what..all the others that have been effected by doping all have a story to tell..some better some worse than Landis's. The name drop and financial reward he gets from doing it are the best example of corruption he and Kimmage should take the carpool to he!! together. Landis lost his step daughter, his father in law and best friend killed themselves, he betrayed his parents..but somehow they both find it necessary to say ok that was interesting but lets get back to the 3 years you spent with Lance..He probably asked Landis to weave in getting wood over a girl in his teens w Lance..after all he was star struck he said. The guy is 35 and still talking about a mid 20's sweetheart what a bag of crap..when he gets nothing from Novitzky he won't leave his cabin..leave your bike outside Landis the stink will only get worse..I hope Eddy and Delgado never pull this kind of charade

 

[MacRoadie]

Hey, doesn't Floyd live near Hemet, a rather odd place for a man with no visible income to reside?

You must be confusing Hemet with someplace nice.

 

[BotanyBay]

Could be he has some leftover cash from the livestrong withmom stucknut investers….errrrrrrr defense funders. Or Greg Lemond has him set up?

Stick to the fish hacks transcript @ velocity.

It ain't all luxury in the wild:

http://www.lovethehill.com/home1_shared_frame.htm

 

[flicker]

Could be Floyd is on a joint retainer. Retainer by Walshe, Kimmage, LeMond.

Or Floyd could simply be a wind-farmer.

 

[Barrus]

Stop it with saying Floyd is on the payroll of Kimmage, LeMond or someone like that, we already had one debate like that this week, do not create another or you will face the same consequence as the last guy did

 

[Anonymous]

fast is relative still under an hour at districts...this year may be different after 35+ inches of snow and sub 25deg temps.

Landis is the corruption. He played the game by the rules and as the article points out went from making 6 grand to millions. He thought he knew all the rules those written and those understood. He was wrong then and now. Getting spanked and lusting for girls don't make you write a book about being clean after you doped. There is a list of convicted cycling dopers Coppi's c@#k. Nobody reacted the way Landis has..why continue to revisit why his friend offed himself when it had nothing to do with the original event. 400 hours of church and the push toward doping..ok I can see the relevance. There is alot of the article dedicated to sadness..all around.from himself,friends, marriage, family, faith, finances,,,the guy was going to crumble no matter what..all the others that have been effected by doping all have a story to tell..some better some worse than Landis's. The name drop and financial reward he gets from doing it are the best example of corruption he and Kimmage should take the carpool to he!! together. Landis lost his step daughter, his father in law and best friend killed themselves, he betrayed his parents..but somehow they both find it necessary to say ok that was interesting but lets get back to the 3 years you spent with Lance..He probably asked Landis to weave in getting wood over a girl in his teens w Lance..after all he was star struck he said. The guy is 35 and still talking about a mid 20's sweetheart what a bag of crap..when he gets nothing from Novitzky he won't leave his cabin..leave your bike outside Landis the stink will only get worse..I hope Eddy and Delgado never pull this kind of charade

I'm not sure whom I feel worse for.... You or Floyd.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Are you saying the debate is not allowed, or just not allowed on this thread? Because it's public knowledge that LeMond has donated his lawyers to Landis.

What do you mean by "donated his lawyers"? You're saying LeMond is footing Landis' legal bills?

 

[Barrus]

Absolutely. It's on record.

Than show the records now or face the consequences because you continued the debate If you have the records I will move this to a different thread, otherwise all this debate will be deleted. Other people do not follow this line of debate, Paraphernalia has one chance to provide evidence, other people do not continue with this debate

 

[frenchfry]

Could be Floyd is on a joint retainer. Retainer by Walshe, Kimmage, LeMond.

Or Floyd could simply be a wind-farmer.

Talking point: he's doing it for the money

The dam has burst - get over it

 

[jimmypop]

Well, which name was nowhere near as prevalent in that interview as it should have been?

Clue - sounds like Allen Lim.

JV - 2009 = White sending rider(s) to del Moral, Allen Lim cooking up the rice cakes... someone lost track of their team by the sounds of things.

Almost certainly Lim. Conspicuously absent from the interview, and Landis mey be keeping Lim's name out of all things public until Novitsky's investigation is complete.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Absolutely. It's on record.

Show it. It should be easy, BPC. Should be really easy.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...uscle_in_face_potential_legal_challenges.html

It's not worth starting a new thread about it. But it does add context to this discussion.

What context, BPC? Nowhere does that say Lemond is footing the bill. If I missed it, show it.

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...uscle_in_face_potential_legal_challenges.html

It's not worth starting a new thread about it. But it does add context to this discussion.

Nowhere does it state Lemond paid the legal costs.

Pathetic.

 

[Chuffy]

What context, BPC? Nowhere does that say Lemond is footing the bill. If I missed it, show it.

You missed nothing. It's not there.

 

[Barrus]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...uscle_in_face_potential_legal_challenges.html

It's not worth starting a new thread about it. But it does add context to this discussion.

Says nothing about LeMond paying, therefore you will now be banned for a week, as happened to the last person who brought something like that up in a thread that had nothing to do with it. Just random off-topic posting. Do not react to anything is this discussiona nymore, anyone, I will delete everythign shortly

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

An independent press is a fanciful notion in all but the rarest of cases anymore. His criticism of CN is warranted and illuminating. If all "journalism" means here is "lets water down a watered down article from someone else and pretend we are a 'news' organization" then they are only part of the larger problem.

Indeed, but CN's conduct over the last few years has contributed to the problem.

It has acted a mouthpiece for the likes of Armstrong and the UCI.

It is clear where it stands on the doping issue. Omerta all the way. When Suh was busy spouting ******** at every opportunity, CN was there like an eager puppy ready to report it all.

When Landis blew the whistle CN hasn't wasted an opportunity to **** on him from a great height and to portray him in a negative light.

The likes of McQuaid, Millar, Wiggins etc are always given every opportunity to bad mouth Landis or anyone else who speaks out.

Here's the thing - we've been through Festina, Saiz, Puerto, USP/Disco, Greyhound, Phonak, and yet, CN never bothers to ask questions before the event.

Lets take a team like HTC - a team whose performance raises more than a few eyebrows. Will CN take a critical view of them? No of course not because they are Uncle Pat's faves. And you know what, if the balloon goes up, we'll be back in the same position we are now because the likes of CN were too worried about losing those 'exclusive' interviews with Frodo, etc to look critically at the team. Just like CN wasn't willing to look at USP/Disco/Shack or the UCI critically because the spineless Benson didn't want to rock the boat.

The again, when your lead journalist is so emotionally under-developed that she thinks it is still 1950, we can't really expect anything else.

Cycling will never get any better until the journalists covering the sport grow a set.

 

[frenchfry]

Clearly the publication of this interview is going to cost Lancey-poo some serious coin to finance internet trolls.

 

[Barrus]

Clearly the publication of this interview is going to cost Lancey-poo some serious coin to finance internet trolls.

This perhaps is not the case. However, for the sake of my own sanity and that of my fellow moderators, please do not feed the trolls, report them, let the moderators deal with them, but don't argue with them, it just causes so much more work and it creates more pleasure for them

 

[flicker]

Indeed, but CN's conduct over the last few years has contributed to the problem.

It has acted a mouthpiece for the likes of Armstrong and the UCI.

It is clear where it stands on the doping issue. Omerta all the way. When Suh was busy spouting ******** at every opportunity, CN was there like an eager puppy ready to report it all.

When Landis blew the whistle CN hasn't wasted an opportunity to **** on him from a great height and to portray him in a negative light.

The likes of McQuaid, Millar, Wiggins etc are always given every opportunity to bad mouth Landis or anyone else who speaks out.

Here's the thing - we've been through Festina, Saiz, Puerto, USP/Disco, Greyhound, Phonak, and yet, CN never bothers to ask questions before the event.

Lets take a team like HTC - a team whose performance raises more than a few eyebrows. Will CN take a critical view of them? No of course not because they are Uncle Pat's faves. And you know what, if the balloon goes up, we'll be back in the same position we are now because the likes of CN were too worried about losing those 'exclusive' interviews with Frodo, etc to look critically at the team. Just like CN wasn't willing to look at USP/Disco/Shack or the UCI critically because the spineless Benson didn't want to rock the boat.

The again, when your lead journalist is so emotionally under-developed that she thinks it is still 1950, we can't really expect anything else.

Cycling will never get any better until the journalists covering the sport grow a set.

wow, you are attacking everything and everyone I like.

 

[stainlessguy1]

good interview

It was a very good interview . I think too that Floyd was hung out to dry .
The corruption runs so deep it is insane , I think that part has done more harm to the sport than anything else .
I can only say , i feel great that i never pursued a Pro career . Will it stop me from riding a bike knowing more of the behind the scenes crap that goes on with the UCI and all the other organzations? NO ! .... But ....
I wont worry about how light my bike is anymore , I wont worry about heading south for spring training . Instead i can enjoy a game of pond hockey and go skiing again . That will be winter training . I am glad i took the time to read this article . I actualy feel happier now, after quitting this sport for so long and now trying to rekindle the love of bike riding .
Thank you Floyd Landis , Thanks for bearing part of your soul it must of been hard .
Hey; would i go on a training ride with Floyd , Absolutely .

 

[TexPat]

Probably shouldn't have read that at 6am, fresh out of bed and filling my belly with coffee.
Now I am rather agitated.
First, I want to thank Floyd for his honesty, which restores my faith in mankind. I know what he went through to some extent (e.g. the politics, the back-stabbing).
But I also want to draw attention to a couple of details, the first being the usage of anabolic steroids (which has been repeatedly referred to as ineffective by some rather unscrupulous lawyers). I will always wonder where they (the first ones) that Floyd admits to using came from. What does the packaging look like? The pharmacological name?
Next, was the idea behind using the Harley as a ruse to evade testers an original idea? Again, the parallels are too much for me to be anything but suspicious--and not of Floyd, of course.
Dios mio, this is going to rattle me for the rest of the day.

I watched Death on the Mountain last night, and was moved, unsettled, dismayed, and had a fitful night's sleep--which may have been in part to an earthquake shaking the house-- but I now feel strangely at ease after reading the interview. One of these days, I'm going to shake Paul Kimmage's hand and thank him for his tireless work.

Mike