Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[Anonymous]

I have to wonder if anyone has gotten through the entire interview yet before commenting?

I also have to wonder if there is anyone left out there who believes Floyd is lying and making all this up?

I read the whole thing before commenting. That's how I roll.

 

[131313]

I have to wonder if anyone has gotten through the entire interview yet before commenting?

I also have to wonder if there is anyone left out there who believes Floyd is lying and making all this up?

I read the entire thing without commenting. There's one bombshell in there which deserves it's own thread, so I'm going to start that later. However, I've wasted enough time today already.

To your point above, whatever, it's the same old lies, same old liars...

Seriously, I was wondering the same thing. If you read that interview and really think that Floyd "made it all up", you must have some cognitive biases of epic proportions. Or, you didn't actually read the article. He comes off as a guy with no agenda, and it more at peace with himself than at any time since he left home.

 

[Benotti69]

I read the whole thing before commenting. That's how I roll.

i roll just behind TFF, but dont tell him.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

To be fair to CyclingNews they report Cycling News rather than write opinion pieces like Kimmage does. If Armstrong wins the Tour they report it. If Landis fails a drug test they report it.

Although I will say they did do a poor interpretation on Floyd's comments.

The Wiggins report was also in poor taste. Interviewing Brad is one thing and their prerogative to do so but to print the statement about FLoyd being "a drunk" was in poor taste. They should had at least asked Floyd for his comment on the fact. When someone is seeking therapy over what has gone in their lives like Floyd was it shows the printing of the comment was a "low blow" by CyclingNews.

While this is true. The site relies heavily on 'exclusive' interviews with riders and officials. No doubt fear that critical coverage would result in these interviews being cut off means that they don't engage in any critical analysis.

ie the David 'Omerta' Millar feature today. Now that feature wouldn't get written if they pointed that that Millar is a hypocritical lying old doper who remains a defender of omerta. If they challenged him about his apparent blindness while at SD and his attacks on Landis etc

CN relies on McQuaid to get access to races, riders and interviews. Now if it were to run a series of articles criticising McQuaid for his handling of the Contador affair, Armstrong and the PT licenses, would McQuaid be quite so willing to give them an 'exclusive' interview? I am pretty sure that CN is not going to **** on the hand that tickles them on the belly.

The 'criticism' of Armstrong has amounted to little more than repeating allegations made elsewhere - ESPN, SI, Kimmage etc - all of course followed up with a denial from the UCI/Armstrong about the allegations.

CN turned on Landis because he broke omerta and because if they fail to turn on him they fear losing those 'exclusives'. They did what their paymasters asked them to do. So until Benson and the other CN hacks get some integrity and learn how to act as an independent media, rather than as mere mouthpieces for the teams and UCI, they will remain part of the problem.

I am sure that in 5, 10 years time we'll be back here asking the same questions about why no one asked questions about doping at Garmin, HTC, Leopard. The question won't be asked and will never be asked and that is why the likes of CN and Benson are as complicit in doping as Ferrari, McQuaid, Hog, etc

CN needs journalists with a backbone and integrity, not journalists whose skills are limited to cutting and pasting press releases, asking softball questions.

At a time when cycling needs a critical tough media more than ever we're left with hacks and people who think 'leave it to beaver' was too dark and edgy and would rather talk about f-ing cats.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I hope that he liberates his spirit. Look at someone like Obree or Robert Millar, they have liberated themselves. They never rubbished cycling and seem to come on good terms with their fans and families.

Do I think that PK or Floyd need to rubbish peoples heroes to liberate themselves from the blatant doping done in professional cycling? No.

Does it benefit the sport. IMO No. Does it build the sport,No.

Obree and Miller? Obree has had enough head problems to last a liftime and Robert wears a dress and probably prefers to be known as Roberto ( no malicious intent in saying that..I`ve no problem with it). But Im guessing being himself didnt come easilly eh?
What exactly is "benifiting the sport" in upholding Omarta as you seem to sugest all should?
You actualy think that sport as a circus of doping and unethical sporting practices is something to uphold?
You really seem to trawl the depths for inane commentary.
WTF do you bother?.
Sad.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Wow,
Why do you want to shoot down a national hero?

I'm not Dutch. I just live here.

 

[thehog]

I'm not Dutch. I just live here.

I'm glad Landis said the names. It gives what he's telling credence. If he said "a well known Dutch rider" he'd be shoot down for creating rumor and not stating facts. For all of us to appreciate the story we had to hear it like it was.

 

[Barrus]

Lets keep the debate about cyclingnews and their type of journalism out of this thread, seeing that there are far more pressing matters in this article for this subsection.
Its probably better to write such commentary in the about the website subsection seeing as it is more of interest there and it is more likely that people who can really do something about it read it there, as opposed to here

 

[Benotti69]

I'm not Dutch. I just live here.

to Flickie dopers are national heroes...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Comments about CyclingNews website and journalism don't belong here, they belong in this thread here (link).

 

[thehog]

Lets keep the debate about cyclingnews and their type of journalism out of this thread, seeing that there are far more pressing matters in this article for this subsection.
Its probably better to write such commentary in the about the website subsection seeing as it is more of interest there and it is more likely that people who can really do something about it read it there, as opposed to here

Fair call.

One further point on the interview. Although it didn't surprise me but still found a little shocking that Landis was saying that in 2004 they smashed everyone so hard they had to dial it back in 05. I know he had left Postal at that point but i think he was right. None the less after Vino & Ullich gave Disco a scare on stage 11 (I think) the program was amped back to devastating results.

Sad cycling never got to see the 2004/05 Tours we wanted. How could anyone compete?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I'd say criticism of CN is extremely relevant - Kimmage is doing what CN should have been doing and hasn't. His criticisms are well placed. The failure of the media is as much a part of the discussion as corruption within the UCI.

If you want to silence criticism, or bury it in an obscure part of the site then fine.

 

[thehog]

I'd say criticism of CN is extremely relevant - Kimmage is doing what CN should have been doing and hasn't. His criticisms are well placed. The failure of the media is as much a part of the discussion as corruption within the UCI.

If you want to silence criticism of CN then fine.

Leave it out. They're not silencing they're directing traffic to the appropriate place.

 

[webvan]

Just read the whole thing, darn! Amazing insight, although nothing really new in terms of doping, other than Perreiro discussed his transusion program during the 2006 tour with Landis!

One question that didn't get asked is whether Landis feels what would have happened had he not offered Bruyneel to do whatever it took to be on the TDF team. He does say later in the interview that some stuff worked better on him, like HGH vs Testosterone and that the boos is not 40%. Does he feel he wouldn't have made it on the USPS TDF team? I guess he doesn't know for sure...Still it would have been interesting to know whether he felt he couldn't keep up when he joined USPS.

 

[Benotti69]

it's also amazing how uniballer would go after people just to hurt them in a race, like chasing Floyd all the time after he left TeamPharmastrong.

Hope others in the peloton or just out of it read this and give Kimmage a call, especially Tyler.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Leave it out. They're not silencing they're directing traffic to the appropriate place.

Really? "No criticism in this thread - please post your criticism of CN and its journalism in a forum no one bothers to read..."

The criticism of CN and their conduct was part of the Kimmage/Landis transcript so why shouldn't it be discussed here? Seems fairly bizarre to me.

 

[Barrus]

Do not continue with that debate here, you have been pointed to the correct part of the forum for that. Consider this your last warning

 

[Francois the Postman]

Last warning: say what you want, but say it in the right place. We even gave the link. That's how "hard we make it to find".

 

[Siriuscat]

I have to wonder if anyone has gotten through the entire interview yet before commenting?

I also have to wonder if there is anyone left out there who believes Floyd is lying and making all this up?

Yeah, I've read it all once through and I guess I'll go through a whole bundle of times as well before I fully absorb it. I've believed him since the first emails because it was too good and too accurate to be a pack of lies.

This article is a bombshell and the guys at NYVC have some real cojones for running with the whole thing uncut. I'd love to think other parts of the cycling media will do likewise but I shan't hold my breath.

It answers so many questions and it teases again, "names I've given the authorities" etc.

I really wonder whether the original positives for Tyler, Floyd, Heras, Contador and all the other ex USPS/Disco riders were ALL busted because thats what Lance wanted. Fall guys, be disloyal to Lance you're career is over.....

Thank you Floyd, I really hope at some point you find your peace and thank you Paul Kimmage for keeping up the fight against procycling that Rough Ride started.

 

[luckyboy]

Wow, that was draining. Took some two and a half hours. It is all very depressing. I'm glad there was more about Floyd, because everything has been Lance, how guilty he is etc. Somehow it really feels even more hopeless.

There were a few things that really stood out like Floyd + Pereiro openly speaking about transfusing. And the control LA had over other people never really hit home as much before I read how Rubiera apologised to Floyd for chasing him down.

The shreds of trust in Vaughters have pretty much gone too.

Although it isn't in the same way he spoke about Boogerd, this bit about Van Petegem took me aback a little for some reason.

"When (Peter) Van Petegem joined the team I would have discussions with him about how you justified it (doping) in your own mind because at this point I was still completely against it."

Kimmage:
"It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****. And it can’t be fixed."

Hallelujah.

Yeah, I think that quote is a perfect distillation of cycling, or at least how I feel about it.

Even though this whole process has been about getting rid of some of the bad guys in the sport, and we are hearing new stories about the corruption and doping etc. all the time, it just feels like cycling will never be 'fixed', or even get to a point where the dopers are regularly caught and we can be confident that results aren't being swept under the carpet, or that the tests are easy to get past.
I don't know if this is something a lot of people here feel - that they just accept that even if Lance goes down, even if a load of guys are found out at the end of this, and even if McQuaid leaves somehow - that things will just stay pretty much the same. I feel naïve for saying it, but I think I'm accepting that now - cycling is a lost cause.

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah, I've read it all once through and I guess I'll go through a whole bundle of times as well before I fully absorb it. I've believed him since the first emails because it was too good and too accurate to be a pack of lies.

This article is a bombshell and the guys at NYVC have some real cojones for running with the whole thing uncut. I'd love to think other parts of the cycling media will do likewise but I shan't hold my breath.

It answers so many questions and it teases again, "names I've given the authorities" etc.

I really wonder whether the original positives for Tyler, Floyd, Heras, Contador and all the other ex USPS/Disco riders were ALL busted because thats what Lance wanted. Fall guys, be disloyal to Lance you're career is over.....

Thank you Floyd, I really hope at some point you find your peace and thank you Paul Kimmage for keeping up the fight against procycling that Rough Ride started.

i have wondered did uniballer get upset that Floyd another american won and had words with his mates the uci????

 

[webvan]

I really wonder whether the original positives for Tyler, Floyd, Heras, Contador and all the other ex USPS/Disco riders were ALL busted because thats what Lance wanted. Fall guys, be disloyal to Lance you're career is over....

Hadn't thought of that, generally the way these positives get played are, "this is proof that everyone was doping on LA's team"...this is an interesting perspective. Put together with other comments like :

"I race to win, LA races to prevent others from winning"..

"‘**** it. I’m just not going to talk to him anymore.’ I could have been a bit more astute in the way the politics work and thought ‘Maybe I shouldn’t make him my enemy’ and I don’t know that that’s why I am here but… "

He did everything to **** them off though, especially after they came back and offered to match the Phonak offer of $500,000...

Livingston never tested positive did he? I remember LA trashing him after he left to join Ullrich, along the lines of "I can understand Tyler leaving to lead a team but why would Livingston leave to help Ullrich?"

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

LMAO

Any response from Oscar P or Boogerd yet?

 

[Darryl Webster]

Hadn't thought of that, generally the way these positives get played are, "this is proof that everyone was doping on LA's team"...this is an interesting perspective. Put together with other comments like 'I race to win, LA races to prevent others from winning"..

Does anyone know how many riders from Lances TDF teams are stil riding in the Protour level? how many, ( or few) have there reputation in tact?
Certainly ( to a paranoid sociapath) it might make sence that the sooner those that know the truth are away from the sport the better.
From that position besmurching there reputation any way possible begins to make sence.

 

[Winterfold]

Call me paranoid - but it seems that nyvelocity is down.

Anyone scrape or take a copy of the full transcript?

EDIT: looking at the error message - they are probably just getting hammered by the volume of traffic