Thanks Digger. My cousin is in his first race tomarrow and I will be racing too. All the kids too on mountain bikes. I chose to enjoy cycling. I try not to dwell on the negative. Floyd made his bed..... now he has to go ni ni in it.Digger said:
Decent article. Nothing new for knowlegable fans, but for the average person reading the times, it really fills you in on floyds history but actually paints him as a pretty honest, credible person.
In some ways its a pretty big article. the Times and you have to guess NewsCorp are very clearly pinning their flag to the landis mast.
In some ways its a pretty big article. the Times and you have to guess NewsCorp are very clearly pinning their flag to the landis mast.
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That's nostalgia for you. He seemed like the kind of guy that just questioned everything. It eventually leads you into trouble whether it's being a Mennonite or a cyclist.Digger said:
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I refuse to have to pay money to read one single article on the net. What is this world coming to?
ACF, I think you have it right. I forked out one of Her Majesty's big ones (even if she's had a reduction in the last year or two) and I'm none the wiser.
Is it just me or did PK and Floyd spend those seven hours reading Positively False together?
Still, having all this appear in the ST is no bad thing - disclaimers after every LA dn JB-related sentence notwithstanding.
Is it just me or did PK and Floyd spend those seven hours reading Positively False together?
Still, having all this appear in the ST is no bad thing - disclaimers after every LA dn JB-related sentence notwithstanding.
auscyclefan94 said:
well the times is a newspaper, they sell them for money. and therefore the online newspaper is a subscription service. No biggie. THe times website is actually superb, and you can read the actual paper as it is printed. IF they made that free nobody would buy the paper, and they would go bust.
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Its a beautiful article. Very Sunday Times. Human interest story. The story behind the story. Most here will hate it. Not enough salacious Armstrong stories. But I told you thats not what its about.
Its the first piece since the emails broke where there's been a story about Floyd the person. He needs this publicity. He's just a normal guy and putting yourselves in his position you'd probably deny 9 times out of 10.
If you want Armstrong dirt move on. You wont find it here. But if you want to read about Floyd the person and the metamorphous he's been through then read the article.
For me most telling was the loss of his wife and father in law. Followed by smashing his Tour de France trophy.
Floyd on the road to recovery. He still owes $80,000 to lawyers and knows he still may be charged with perjury.
God bless.
Its the first piece since the emails broke where there's been a story about Floyd the person. He needs this publicity. He's just a normal guy and putting yourselves in his position you'd probably deny 9 times out of 10.
If you want Armstrong dirt move on. You wont find it here. But if you want to read about Floyd the person and the metamorphous he's been through then read the article.
For me most telling was the loss of his wife and father in law. Followed by smashing his Tour de France trophy.
Floyd on the road to recovery. He still owes $80,000 to lawyers and knows he still may be charged with perjury.
God bless.
Finding the article in the US
If you don't want to pay the subscription rate and are in the US, check with your local public library. While they probably don't subscribe to the paper version of the Times, they very likely have an online newspaper database subscription that includes full-text articles from major papers all over the English-speaking world. In many states the libraries band together for a bulk purchase of such things. Here in NC, our public libraries' online subscription (NC LIVE) does inlude the Times/Sunday Times. I checked it last night, and they have the Friday edition of the times online already. I would expect that the Sunday paper would be up in a day or two. It will probably be full-text of the article, but no pictures.
If you don't want to pay the subscription rate and are in the US, check with your local public library. While they probably don't subscribe to the paper version of the Times, they very likely have an online newspaper database subscription that includes full-text articles from major papers all over the English-speaking world. In many states the libraries band together for a bulk purchase of such things. Here in NC, our public libraries' online subscription (NC LIVE) does inlude the Times/Sunday Times. I checked it last night, and they have the Friday edition of the times online already. I would expect that the Sunday paper would be up in a day or two. It will probably be full-text of the article, but no pictures.
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Roland Rat said:
At least thehog earned some money now.
What's his commission from these 1$ or 2$ ? 20 % ?
It was worth it for me just to see a picture of the cabin. Two bucks well worth it. But I agree it was a rehash of positively false, and that's ok because I forgot about the history he had with the UCI.
thehog said:
I haven't read the full article yet, but have been thinking about the part where FLandis apparently made an enemy of sorts of Verdruggen. Why was the UCI so apparently resistant to pay the Mercury guys out of the team's bank guarantee?
What happens to teams' bank guarantee anyway - if the team folds, does the UCI keep whatever money isn't paid out to riders?
If the team remains in good standing, does one year's bank guarantee roll over in to the next year, or does the team have to provide a whole new complete amount every year?
What happens to the interest on the these accounts? Do the teams collect it, or the UCI, or someone else?
It seems like the Mercury guarantee would've been there for just this occasion - to pay the riders in the event the team didn't pay them. So why the resistance to tapping the guarantee? Isn't the UCI supposed to be looking out for the riders, many of whom don't make large salaries anyway, and need their paychecks to arrive in a timely fashion. What's the deal with the UCI and that money?
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thehog said:
Most of what I'm seeing on this thread is similar to not only Positively False but also Floyd's interview with Bonnie Ford at ESPN (the smashed trophy, etc). That being said, I totally appreciate the effort people are putting in here.
But what about this "in hiding" bit? Was that just hyperbole on Kimmage's part or is Floyd seriously covering his tracks as he travels?
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Granville57 said:
You guys are a tough audience. Last time I checked in Positively False
he never admitted to doping or accused Armstrong of doping. If you want dirt go elsewhere. I would like to think the clinic is more than just trashy headlines.
In today's article he said he's been living like a fugitive. Moving from place to place. Whilst people are kind they have trouble looking him in the eye.
I think the Federal trial makes it hard for him to talk a lot about what went on.
I should correct that he feels that it's likely he will serve time for perjury. He's ok with this if it sets him free and on his path.
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One of the things I got out of it - the motivation for doping - which makes sense to me. Floyd felt like if he was going to be competitive, he would have to dope, because most others did, and certainly all contenders, and so he did.
If he felt like no one was doping, he would have gladly done his best without it and let the chips fall where they may. This is different from another American I feel, who would have been glad to dope when others were not because of the advantage it provided him.
Granted this is more implied by the article than explicit, but it does put Floyd in a more sympathetic light than the demonization we see so frequently - "disgraced, drug cheat etc...etc..."
It would be interesting to see a similar portrait of Armstrong, how it would compare. Of course that would require him to answer questions.
If he felt like no one was doping, he would have gladly done his best without it and let the chips fall where they may. This is different from another American I feel, who would have been glad to dope when others were not because of the advantage it provided him.
Granted this is more implied by the article than explicit, but it does put Floyd in a more sympathetic light than the demonization we see so frequently - "disgraced, drug cheat etc...etc..."
It would be interesting to see a similar portrait of Armstrong, how it would compare. Of course that would require him to answer questions.
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Granville57 said:
Not trying to present a tough audience or to be difficult, but those Armstrong accusations were certainly covered in the highlighted part of my post (in bold). Personally speaking, I'm not looking for the trash, it's the human side of Floyd that has always interested me the most. It is the very lack of humanity (not on this site!) that has shown its ugly face towards Floyd that I have always found the most disturbing.thehog said:
So Floyd isn't necessarily "on the run" from someone out to get him, rather he's just having a difficult time finding solace? Would that be more accurate?
As always, thanks for the updates, Hog.
For me the big thing is its in the magazine. Not the sports pages. There are a lot of times readers who have probably heard of lance armstrong despite not being cycling fans, and may even have heard that some bitter crackpot called floyd who is writing lies about him. But thats all they know.
This article will be read by many thousands of those people, who know have a bit of an insight into floyd. For me this article will have a big impact on public opinion of the "non cycling fans". It gives floyd a lot of credibility.
While armstrong has millions and plenty of people to do his PR for him. Floyd doesnt have very many friends to do the same. Kimmage is one of the few. There will be a few people learnt, or changed their minds about landis this morning.
This article will be read by many thousands of those people, who know have a bit of an insight into floyd. For me this article will have a big impact on public opinion of the "non cycling fans". It gives floyd a lot of credibility.
While armstrong has millions and plenty of people to do his PR for him. Floyd doesnt have very many friends to do the same. Kimmage is one of the few. There will be a few people learnt, or changed their minds about landis this morning.
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