Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[gree0232]

Would you like to tell me how this is factually wrong? Armstrong does have a lot of money, and has the best PR and Lawyers money can buy, weve seen countless articles cancelled, toned down etc through his PR guys. Armstrong has the likes of Sherwen and Liggett to peddle his lies across the television, he has the head of the UCI for crying out loud to tell us all what a liar Landis is. he also has a certain cancer charity, that will peddle his lies. Millions of fans worldwide who think Landis is a liar because lance survived cancer.

Floyd has what? No money, a few journalists such as kimmage and walsh who the UCI do their best to discredit. And a handful of ex riders such as Lemond, and Andreau who have had their fair share of knockers in the press.

The idea that I was factually wrong is insane. One other point "floyd got a booth at the ToC.. ok, but WHO got to actually ride the ToC.. I will give you a clue. It wasnt floyd.

That said, the tide is turning. One by one the major press outlets are turning on armstrong. Its only a matter of time.

Now go back to your boss and tell him. You did youre best but we're not buying it.

"He was in the tent of Dr. Brent Kay, his longtime sponsor."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/23/floyd-landis-shows-up-as-_n_586540.html

THis stuff has been out for months. Dr. Kay supported Floyd financially enough to get him onto a cycling team that subsequently folded.

LeMond and Kimmage are obviously doing their bit as well.

And I find it very interesting that so many supporters of Floyd as a down trodden victim (who purposely chose to dope, but it is someone else's fault that he did) will only acknowledge him and his prince of pauper presentation.

Even Sports Illustrated takes issue with what is going on.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ester.200111.1st.ld.writethru.1274/index.html

Curious that this article get ZERO play in cycling dope TMZ forum here?

There is, and should be, obvious frustration with doping. Frustration is no excuse for jumping onto an emotional band wagon of accussation and innuendo - we should not be turning cycling into the Salem Witch Trails that caste doubt and aspirtions on anything successful or that does not follow any dope story with a McCarthyist diatribe.

THAT will not help cycling, nor will it rid the sport of dope.

Good hard police work, evidence sharing, increased testing, and committment to follow the rules WILL.

Some things work in regard to anti-doping, and some things do not. Paul Kimmage has not had insider access to cycling since he published his book ... BEFORE Festina. A lot has changed since then - Kimmage's Crusade and accussations have not.

Zealotry helps nothing. And going after people without evidence is bad enough, but trying to caste doubt on Roche and Schleck for not being zealots - and thus obviously doping is as unhelpful as it gets.

But I guess such sentiments are the result of indoctrination by nefarious agents - and grand conspiracy theories that make all doubters of the McCarthyist line are sure to ride cycling of dope as well I suppose

Dope - somethings will work to get rid of it or greatly minimize it, and some things will not. Paul Kimmage is not helping - that simple.

 

[Benotti69]

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blah blah blah..more rubbish without facts....

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Ok, I just dug the sports section out of the bin, literally, to read this, and there was no kimmage double page. Who do I call a tosser over this?

 

[Barrus]

Ok, I just dug the sports section out of the bin, literally, to read this, and there was no kimmage double page. Who do I call a tosser over this?

yourself, seeing as it is in the magazine

 

[Benotti69]

Ok, I just dug the sports section out of the bin, literally, to read this, and there was no kimmage double page. Who do I call a tosser over this?

Check the magazine

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

yourself, seeing as it is in the magazine

Cold, man.


Also, ta.

 

[Barrus]

Cold, man.


Also, ta.

Yeah, I should've used a smiley

 

[gree0232]

So have you read much of Paul's work in the past twenty years? Any examples you especially dislike?

By the way, he is multi award winning and left his previous newspaper because the Editor took a comment from his piece and used it out of context in the frontpage. The Editor used it in a malicous way and Paul resigned, but not before insisting the paper issued a front page apology. This really is the action of a man who looks out for himself.

Note: Still waiting for you to acknowledge that the UCI did not blow the lid on Operation Puerto and bust Valv. piti

Still waiting for you to acknowledge that the UCI is not a international police organization. It is a sports governing body, it sets rules and adjudicates issues when they are presented.

The UCI does not have the power to garner search or arrest warrents, that power falls on the various National bodies IN cooperation with the local police force.

It was the Guardia Civil that did, and MUST do what it did. And whenit did, SPain closed the legal loop hole that allowed it ... followed Dr, Fuentes into another doping ring and busted that one up as well - this time the legal loop hole is closed, and Fuentes and those using him will be punished.

As for the blood itself, the UCI tried on many occassions to get access to it for sanctioning purposes. The Spanish Courts always refused.

How did CONI get access to Valverde's blood in this case? It was not through the Spanish Courts, most likely it was through police evidence sharing channels - a source that the UCI, not being a police agency, would not have access to.

So, we should fault the UCI for not being a police force? Something it cannot be and was never intended to be? Great.

As for things being lifted out of context, I see such things happening all the time from the side attacks Lance et al. For some reason though, when someone does it to Kimmage, well, now it is wrong?

I am scratching my head an wondering why the anti-doping Crusaders think that the rules should apply to everyone but them? Making non-contextual attacks on Lance, the Schlecks, Roche, Basso, Cancellera, ... pretty much anyone who wins a race these days if fine? But God himself should intervene if it is done to the great Paul Kimmage? Really?

And really, if you run around accussing people of crimes without evidence to back it up, why would you expect tp be treated with respect rather than derision?


Kimmage wants to live that way? So be it. He wants respect for it? Not gonna happen with people who actually care about solving problems.

 

[Benotti69]

"He was in the tent of Dr. Brent Kay, his longtime sponsor."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/23/floyd-landis-shows-up-as-_n_586540.html

THis stuff has been out for months. Dr. Kay supported Floyd financially enough to get him onto a cycling team that subsequently folded.

LeMond and Kimmage are obviously doing their bit as well.

And I find it very interesting that so many supporters of Floyd as a down trodden victim (who purposely chose to dope, but it is someone else's fault that he did) will only acknowledge him and his prince of pauper presentation.

Even Sports Illustrated takes issue with what is going on.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ester.200111.1st.ld.writethru.1274/index.html

Curious that this article get ZERO play in cycling dope TMZ forum here?

There is, and should be, obvious frustration with doping. Frustration is no excuse for jumping onto an emotional band wagon of accussation and innuendo - we should be turning cycling into the Salem Witch Trails that caste doubt and aspirtions on anything successful or that does not follow any dope story with a McCarthyist diatribe.

THAT will not help cycling, nor will it rid the sport of dope.

Good hard police work, evidence sharing, increased testing, and committment to follow the rules WILL.

Some things work in regard to anti-doping, and some things do not. Paul Kimmage has not had insider access to cycling since he published his book ... BEFORE Festina. A lot has changed since then - Kimmage's Crusade and accussations have not.

Zealotry helps nothing. And going after people without evidence is bad enough, but trying to caste doubt on Roche and Schleck for not being zealots - and thus obviously doping is as unhelpful as it gets.

But I guess such sentiments are the result of indoctrination by nefarious agents - and grand conspiracy theories that make all doubters of the McCarthyist line are sure to ride cycling of dope as well I suppose

Dope - somethings will work to get rid of it or greatly minimize it, and some things will not. Paul Kimmage is not helping - that simple.

where is your evidence that kimmage is giving Landis money.

Where is your evidence that LeMond is giving him money.

Dr kay assisted on a team that Floyd rode or. Its called professional cycling because they get paid to ride their bikes.

again you are posting utter rubbish to try and tarnish Landis and therefore make it look like a witch hunt against King Doper Phrmastrong

Again Failed

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Ok, I just dug the sports section out of the bin, literally, to read this, and there was no kimmage double page. Who do I call a tosser over this?

Go back to the bin and keep digging, it is in the magazine, so I am told....

 

[Benotti69]

Still waiting for you to acknowledge that the UCI is not a international police organization. It is a sports governing body, it sets rules and adjudicates issues when they are presented.

The UCI does not have the power to garner search or arrest warrents, that power falls on the various National bodies IN cooperation with the local police force.

It was the Guardia Civil that did, and MUST do what it did. And whenit did, SPain closed the legal loop hole that allowed it ... followed Dr, Fuentes into another doping ring and busted that one up as well - this time the legal loop hole is closed, and Fuentes and those using him will be punished.

As for the blood itself, the UCI tried on many occassions to get access to it for sanctioning purposes. The Spanish Courts always refused.

How did CONI get access to Valverde's blood in this case? It was not through the Spanish Courts, most likely it was through police evidence sharing channels - a source that the UCI, not being a police agency, would not have access to.

So, we should fault the UCI for not being a police force? Great.

As for things being lifted out of context, I see such things happening all the time from the side attacks Lance et al. For some reason though, when someone does it to Kimmage, well, now it is wrong?

I am scratching my head an wondering why the anti-doping Crusaders think that the rules should apply to everyone but them.

And really, if you run around accussing people of crimes without evidence to back it up, why would you expect tp be treated with respect rather than derision?


Kimmage wants to live that way? So be it. He wants respect for it? Not gonna happen with people who actually care about solving problems.

Strange how you are the one who cant see the problems with the uci and can see problems with a honest journalist who has win numerous awards from his peers for his work

again you are trolling trying to detract from what is a great piece of honest journalism from one a journalist who actually cares about the sport and its future and the riders therein.

YOU FAIL

 

[Granville57]

again you are posting utter rubbish to try and tarnish Landis and therefore make it look like a witch hunt against King Doper Phrmastrong

Again Failed

So have you read much of Paul's work in the past twenty years? Any examples you especially dislike?

Would you like to tell me how this is factually wrong? Armstrong does have a lot of money, and has the best PR and Lawyers money can buy, weve seen countless articles cancelled, toned down etc through his PR guys.

The idea that I was factually wrong is insane.

If you are again knocking Landis on behalf of TeamPharmstrong consider yourself failed.

Comedy gold!

Ackowledge away, we need to know who these people are if they exist, otherwise how can we ackowledge them, is there any proof that the ones mentioned above have any financial interest? If not, then who?

Guys, you are killing me here!
If you all keep feeding and quoting the same troll, it really does render my Ignore List somewhat ineffective.

Join me, won't you? Please.

 

[gree0232]

where is your evidence that kimmage is giving Landis money.

Where is your evidence that LeMond is giving him money.

Dr kay assisted on a team that Floyd rode or. Its called professional cycling because they get paid to ride their bikes.

again you are posting utter rubbish to try and tarnish Landis and therefore make it look like a witch hunt against King Doper Phrmastrong

Again Failed

Really, a direct quotation of a 'long time' sponosor and the obvious coordination between LeMond and Landis is clearly indicative of .... nothing?

Believe what you want, but I am don;t have to stick my head in the sand simply to be an anti-doper.

Landis is being used. That simple.

If you don't think so, why? It would be great to hear the anti-doper's actually explain their side rather than attack anyone who disagrees with their version of events.

You are not right simply because you think everyone who disagrees with you is a jerk. Such sentiments are called an appeal to ridicule, and are logical fallacy.

If you think Floyd is fighting a grand legal crusade all by himself devoid of support - I would be interested in seeing how that is possible, as something as simple as filing a whistle blower lawsuit requires .... ahem ... a lawyer.

A penniless Landis cannot do that.

Fail.

 

[Anonymous]

Paul Kimmage has not had insider access to cycling since he published his book ... BEFORE Festina.

CLICK ME

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Ok, well that was pretty rubbish. And Elton John is a tit.

 

[gree0232]

Guys, you are killing me here!
If you all keep feeding and quoting the same troll, it really does render my Ignore List somewhat ineffective.

Join me, won't you? Please.

Yes, it is best to ignore anything that does not march in lock step with your views. That isoften how 'truth' is determined.

 

[Benotti69]

...........

i asked for evidence not more TeamPharmstrong propaganda

 

[gree0232]

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So you have no case to present, just derision and insult.

So, we will insult people who advocate police work and evidence based prosecution and think that doping will just solve itself?

Such sentiments have nothing to do with anti-doping, they have to do with a need to be right at all costs.

 

[Anonymous]

So you have no case to present, just derision and insult.

So, we will insult people who advocate police work and evidence based prosecution and think that doping will just solve itself?

Such sentiments have nothing to do with anti-doping, they have to do with a need to be right at all costs.

It wasnt derision, I was pointing out that you were factually wrong. (and besides, if it was derision or insult it was one of the better examples on this forum. When has anyone ever included sound in their posts )

Ask Jonathan Vaughters if Kimmage has had any access to cycling. Ask the Times if kimmage has ever had press access to any races.

With the greatest of respect. You are wrong. It wont hurt to admit it.

 

[Digger]

Still waiting for you to acknowledge that the UCI is not a international police organization. It is a sports governing body, it sets rules and adjudicates issues when they are presented.

The UCI does not have the power to garner search or arrest warrents, that power falls on the various National bodies IN cooperation with the local police force.

It was the Guardia Civil that did, and MUST do what it did. And whenit did, SPain closed the legal loop hole that allowed it ... followed Dr, Fuentes into another doping ring and busted that one up as well - this time the legal loop hole is closed, and Fuentes and those using him will be punished.

As for the blood itself, the UCI tried on many occassions to get access to it for sanctioning purposes. The Spanish Courts always refused.

How did CONI get access to Valverde's blood in this case? It was not through the Spanish Courts, most likely it was through police evidence sharing channels - a source that the UCI, not being a police agency, would not have access to.

So, we should fault the UCI for not being a police force? Something it cannot be and was never intended to be? Great.

As for things being lifted out of context, I see such things happening all the time from the side attacks Lance et al. For some reason though, when someone does it to Kimmage, well, now it is wrong?

I am scratching my head an wondering why the anti-doping Crusaders think that the rules should apply to everyone but them? Making non-contextual attacks on Lance, the Schlecks, Roche, Basso, Cancellera, ... pretty much anyone who wins a race these days if fine? But God himself should intervene if it is done to the great Paul Kimmage? Really?

And really, if you run around accussing people of crimes without evidence to back it up, why would you expect tp be treated with respect rather than derision?


Kimmage wants to live that way? So be it. He wants respect for it? Not gonna happen with people who actually care about solving problems.

Gree you realise you said the UCI were the ones who blew open Puerto - not me.

What accusations has Paul made that he can't back up? Examples come on.

 

[Benotti69]

Guys, you are killing me here!
If you all keep feeding and quoting the same troll, it really does render my Ignore List somewhat ineffective.

Join me, won't you? Please.

i dont put anyone on ignore. i laugh at them. in the short time i have been posting, flicker has gone from a troll who posted like greedy00000 to making absolutely comedy gold statements that make absolutely no sense because he knows the truth and cant bring himself to defend his previous long held belief that uniballer was not doping.

this greedi00232138 is the same. face them head on and they fall like the rest either of the back of the clinic or post absolute comedy like flickie and polish.

 

[Granville57]

Guys, you are killing me here!
If you all keep feeding and quoting the same troll, it really does render my Ignore List somewhat ineffective.

Join me, won't you? Please.

Please, please, please, please, please?!?!?!?!?!

 

[gree0232]

It wasnt derision, I was pointing out that you were factually wrong. (and besides, if it was derision or insult it was one of the better examples on this forum. When has anyone ever included sound in their posts )

Ask Jonathan Vaughters if Kimmage has had any access to cycling. Ask the Times if kimmage has ever had press access to any races.

With the greatest of respect. You are wrong. It wont hurt to admit it.

Really? Paul Kimmage has had inside access to Alberto Contador's inner circle? Lance Armstrong's? He shares coffee daily with Pat McQuad does he?

Please, show me the details of his inside access to team and riders that would give him unparralled access to the doping that he claims has infested every point of cycling - enough that he will all but accuse Roche of doping for not joining his personal crusade?

You really think he has THAT kind of access? AFTER he published his book?

 

[Anonymous]

Really? Paul Kimmage has had inside access to Alberto Contador's inner circle? Lance Armstrong's? He shares coffee daily with Pat McQuad does he?

Please, show me the details of his inside access to team and riders that would give him unparralled access to the doping that he claims has infested every point of cycling - enough that he will all but accuse Roche of doping for not joining his personal crusade?

You really think he has THAT kind of access? AFTER he published his book?

You are moving the goalposts. I said nothing about unpararalled access.

You said "Kimmage has not had any access to cycling since his book - before festina"

That statement is INCORRECT. However you decide to rephrase it now, or tart it up with fluffy cushions, the fact is YOU ARE WRONG. Get over it.

 

[TexPat]

Please, please, please, please, please?!?!?!?!?!

While I've successfully avoided quoting the guy, I'll now take it a step further and add him to the ignore list. There is only so much incoherent rambling and irrational babble that one can tolerate. Pollutes the mind.