Kimmage, Macur and others on Armstrong

[Polish]

You need to understand what he has been though for questioning the myth. You can't imaging the garbage Wonderboy and his groupies have tossed at Paul over the last decade.

Given what he has had to go through I think Paul is too calm.

Lol, the brutal fanboy brigade grrrrr.
Called him names boohoo.
No wonder Kimmage is a hateful wreck. grrrrr again lol.

But his anger is all just an act.
Oh scary, mad anti-doper to save our kids.

Kimmage and his "Lance Awareness" campaign is such a scam.
He profits from Lance bashing. It is his current claim to fame.

 

[BotanyBay]

I just wish Kimmage wasn't so militant about the whole thing. Yes, yes, some defenders of Armstrong are also clearly never going to back down, but the whole 'cancer' thing just seems in incredibly bad taste and doesn't exactly make me want to listen to his views, as in the light of that they don't exactly seem balanced. And before the 'Armstrong is scum' army rain down upon me telling me I've been brain washed by the media machine or whatever, I'm just saying that Kimmage's attitude and ambience, so to speak, isn't very positive, not that I don't believe him at all.

If you arrive in the middle of the movie and see Kimmage call Lance a Cancer, you'll see nothing but an angry guy. But if you watch the film from the beginning, you'll know that he's been through hell for revealing what he revealed. He's got bus tire tracks all over his back.

 

[bhilden]

In Lance's defense, there is a passage in "It's Not About the Bike" where he acknowledges that while he was being treated for cancer the paralegal of his agent, Bill Stapelton, got cancer and died. He admits that he was lucky to beat the disease.

Bruce

 

[Benotti69]

What I am curious about with Kimmage and his allies are;

1 If their( Kimmage and his allies)dream is realized and the cancer(Lance) is removed and sanctioned, fined, imprisoned, shamed and defrauded what are the allies and Kimmage next agenda.

Armstrong has brought about awarrness in cycling ,health, cancer awarness, and fitness.

What is the future for all the good done by Armstrong and his organization.
Does Kimmage, LeMond, Walsh have plans to fill in the vacumm if their plan to defraud Armstrong/Livestrong and Lances' pro racing ties if as they say "the cancer is finally killed?

more importantly Flickie, what are you gonna do when the dream is realised?

uniballer done more damage than good. he got rich on the myth, he lied and defrauded, good hah sociopathic uniballer wouldn't know good unless he was making dollars from it

 

[flicker]

If you arrive in the middle of the movie and see Kimmage call Lance a Cancer, you'll see nothing but an angry guy. But if you watch the film from the beginning, you'll know that he's been through hell for revealing what he revealed. He's got bus tire tracks all over his back.

I would think Kimmage and Floyd would have seen the bus coming. As a matter of fact, reading Floyds chapter in the Lance book , Floyds' own parents told Floyd that "hell and damnation" will come with participating in competitive cycling. Floyd chose to get on the bus no matter what the folks said.
My assumption(noting that I know nothing about cycling) is that being from Europe Kimmage knew full well what doping was necessary to be in the pro ranks from the get go.. Yet he rode along in the merry train of deception and fraud, merrily collecting pay-checks(and I bet a few cute birds too) until retirement time. Then blow the whistle. Write a tell all book. Now the coup de gras bringing down the cancer virus in cycling....

 

[flicker]

more importantly Flickie, what are you gonna do when the dream is realised?

uniballer done more damage than good. he got rich on the myth, he lied and defrauded, good hah sociopathic uniballer wouldn't know good unless he was making dollars from it

I assume Bennotti you would like Lance to walk the earth until the end of his eternity wandering the desert.

I see Lance more like Mad Max, his faithful Queensland Healer going after the bad guys, protecting the Christians in his quest for a little more of the "JUICE"

With a little help from a nut-case in an ultra-light, played tounge and cheek by Andreas Kloeden.

 

[fatandfast]

Kimmage is very smart to post the rants about cycling cancer..when LA is asked about Paul and all the popp from his pen and mouth it's PR gold. Armstrong raises all ships just from a single question about Kimmage. Paul is 2 steps ahead of Landis. Flandis should be very careful with the teaspoon of knownledge he has..I am sure Kimmage meant it as a compliment but 7 hours and he knows all he needs to from Landis . Kimmage is not dumb enough to say that he would base an entire book on Flyriod. It makes for good fun. Those clowns in the shop will never sell another Trek cruiser. Macur is the smart one..she knows LA has weapons of mass destruction and she doesn't have the courage or the payday lined up to call him out..tiptoe so as not to crushed by Armstrong

 

[hfer07]

In Lance's defense, there is a passage in "It's Not About the Bike" where he acknowledges that while he was being treated for cancer the paralegal of his agent, Bill Stapelton, got cancer and died. He admits that he was lucky to beat the disease.

Bruce

if LA in fact acknowledged it in that book- then why is it so "offensive" for some folks here to hear it from Kimmage at all? - when he "cheated death" it meant he was allowed to "cheat" anything in life?

 

[Benotti69]

I assume Bennotti you would like Lance to walk the earth until the end of his eternity wandering the desert.

I see Lance more like Mad Max, his faithful Queensland Healer going after the bad guys, protecting the Christians in his quest for a little more of the "JUICE"

With a little help from a nut-case in an ultra-light, played tounge and cheek by Andreas Kloeden.

nah, he is doomed whatever i would like to see and by his own choice. as far as i am concerned i dont care if he dies rich, his myth is shattering and that is the most important thing, that people know the truth about his 7 TdF's being fraud and being a doper big time.

he'll probably go out like elvis

 

[sniper]

I think Kimmage should drop the cancer-metaphor a.s.a.p.
He's not gonna win anybody over with that metaphor. Too much pun intended, and the term cancer is too heavily and emotionally loaded for too many people, so playing with the word isn't really wise, imo.

Doesn't take away that he's right, of course, but he should pick another metaphor.

 

[Benotti69]

Kimmage is very smart to post the rants about cycling cancer..when LA is asked about Paul and all the popp from his pen and mouth it's PR gold. Armstrong raises all ships just from a single question about Kimmage. Paul is 2 steps ahead of Landis. Flandis should be very careful with the teaspoon of knownledge he has..I am sure Kimmage meant it as a compliment but 7 hours and he knows all he needs to from Landis . Kimmage is not dumb enough to say that he would base an entire book on Flyriod. It makes for good fun. Those clowns in the shop will never sell another Trek cruiser. Macur is the smart one..she knows LA has weapons of mass destruction and she doesn't have the courage or the payday lined up to call him out..tiptoe so as not to crushed by Armstrong

kimmage was interviewed. he did not post any rants, slow down and dont eat so much you might actually get whats going on. brush the crumbs of the screen so you can read the words properly

 

[masking_agent]

Kimmage states what is already known. Its the same old, same old, "his word against mine" with NO PROOF, nor evidence ? I'm getting quite tired of the accusations with no evidence to back the claims. We can talk all we want , but until there is no evidence, the lovers of Lance will continue to mock us.

When are we going to read about new evidence ??

Or will we ever read the un-earthing of the UCI corrupt ways ?
Will Novitzky be able to crack the UCI cover up ?

Does Flloyd have any more audio/video ???

 

[Digger]

Kimmage states what is already known. Its the same old, same old, "his word against mine" with NO PROOF, nor evidence ? I'm getting quite tired of the accusations with no evidence to back the claims. We can talk all we want , but until there is no evidence, the lovers of Lance will continue to mock us.

When are we going to read about new evidence ??

Or will we ever read the un-earthing of the UCI corrupt ways ?
Will Novitzky be able to crack the UCI cover up ?

Does Flloyd have any more audio/video ???

A positive test suffice?

 

[masking_agent]

a more recent positive test than that 2001 sample I keep hearing about year in , year out.. who knows, maybe the UCI has miraculously made it disappear or non readable.

 

[fatandfast]

kimmage was interviewed. he did not post any rants, slow down and dont eat so much you might actually get whats going on. brush the crumbs of the screen so you can read the words properly

Dude crumbs or no crumbs saying you will stick your arm in a fire and calling a person who has had cancer,,yet a different kind of cancer..this time a cycling strain is a rant. He also signed a model release to have the video copyrighted for a TV station it's just common practice. TV stations like to distance themselves from the cancer relationship that Kimmage made in poor taste..Kimmage is cooked

 

[Digger]

a more recent positive test than that 2001 sample I keep hearing about year in , year out.. who knows, maybe the UCI has miraculously made it disappear or non readable.

99, but you if you want to keep switching the goal posts......there was no test for autologous blood doping. But there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence which is far more than he said she said - why work with Ferrari for example?

 

[Digger]

Dude crumbs or no crumbs saying you will stick your arm in a fire and calling a person who has had cancer,,yet a different kind of cancer..this time a cycling strain is a rant. He also signed a model release to have the video copyrighted for a TV station it's just common practice. TV stations like to distance themselves from the cancer relationship that Kimmage made in poor taste..Kimmage is cooked

So you haven't read his book.
And Kimmage is far from cooked, and is a multi award winning journalist, so stop talking nonsense. He has been exposing this issue for two decades and still is not 'cooked'.

 

[masking_agent]

digger - sorry got my dates mixed up. Again, even with this mountain of circumstantial evidence, its still "circumstantial" evidence. Until there's actual evidence, the case against Lance will have a similar result to the OJ Simpson case.

 

[Digger]

digger - sorry got my dates mixed up. Again, even with this mountain of circumstantial evidence, its still "circumstantial" evidence. Until there's actual evidence, the case against Lance will have a similar result to the OJ Simpson case.

Marion Jones, Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso - are they still innocent in your eyes?

 

[Benotti69]

Dude crumbs or no crumbs saying you will stick your arm in a fire and calling a person who has had cancer,,yet a different kind of cancer..this time a cycling strain is a rant. He also signed a model release to have the video copyrighted for a TV station it's just common practice. TV stations like to distance themselves from the cancer relationship that Kimmage made in poor taste..Kimmage is cooked

you'd love him to be cooked wouldn't you, hungry man, got a sauce for him, run out of Mc****e to eat????

 

[BotanyBay]

In Lance's defense, there is a passage in "It's Not About the Bike" where he acknowledges that while he was being treated for cancer the paralegal of his agent, Bill Stapelton, got cancer and died. He admits that he was lucky to beat the disease.

Bruce

Nice to see you here Bruce. I'm assuming we can add a "brand" to the end of your handle?

 

[Polish]

digger - sorry got my dates mixed up. Again, even with this mountain of circumstantial evidence, its still "circumstantial" evidence. Until there's actual evidence, the case against Lance will have a similar result to the OJ Simpson case.

You really cannot compare the Lance case to the OJ case.

The Lance Case is a Federal Case.
Not a flaky SoCal case like OJ.

Lance is up against much more formidable opponents.
The Most Formidable.

If Lance can beat the FEDS, you will KNOW he is cleared....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I would think Kimmage and Floyd would have seen the bus coming. As a matter of fact, reading Floyds chapter in the Lance book , Floyds' own parents told Floyd that "hell and damnation" will come with participating in competitive cycling. Floyd chose to get on the bus no matter what the folks said.
My assumption(noting that I know nothing about cycling) is that being from Europe Kimmage knew full well what doping was necessary to be in the pro ranks from the get go.. Yet he rode along in the merry train of deception and fraud, merrily collecting pay-checks(and I bet a few cute birds too) until retirement time. Then blow the whistle. Write a tell all book. Now the coup de gras bringing down the cancer virus in cycling....

Ah, flicker...

So - you have read a book about Lance (Dan Coyles) and rant about how PK wrote a book - even though you obviously did not read it.

Funny how yourself and f&f are so vocal - even though neither of you know what you are talking about.

 

[BotanyBay]

Am I crazy, or did a bunch of fanboys just get bussed-in?

 

[masking_agent]

Marion Jones, Jan Ullrich, Ivan Basso - are they still innocent in your eyes?

obviously they are not and never were, but I'm sure there was EVIDENCE to bring them down ? It appears they were easier cases for Novitzky. I'm thinking this guy may give up soon and he can't crack the Lance/UCI bond.