Kimmage, Macur and others on Armstrong

[Benotti69]

Am I crazy, or did a bunch of fanboys just get bussed-in?

overtime is gonna cost Liestrong big on this one, that is if he pays

 

[BotanyBay]

OK rec.bicycles.racing, listen-up. I see Coggan and Hildenbrand. If Chang or Kunich sets just one foot inside this forum, I push the switch. If Papai shows up, I'll push it twice (real fast).

Don't make me do it.

This would be about where Les Earnest would chime in, talking about how he actually wrote the rule we've all been debating back in nineteen and seventy five. Right?

 

[lean mean &green]

I think Kimmage should drop the cancer-metaphor a.s.a.p.
He's not gonna win anybody over with that metaphor. Too much pun intended, and the term cancer is too heavily and emotionally loaded for too many people, so playing with the word isn't really wise, imo.

Doesn't take away that he's right, of course, but he should pick another metaphor.

agreed. it's in poor taste. i think he likes the shock value of it. he wants people to stand up and take notice but he could accomplish that so many other ways.

it's because he is right that i'd like to see him be more tactful.

 

[Digger]

obviously they are not and never were, but I'm sure there was EVIDENCE to bring them down ? It appears they were easier cases for Novitzky. I'm thinking this guy may give up soon and he can't crack the Lance/UCI bond.

They were easier for Jeff? ha? he only prosecuted one.

So jeff will soon give up what about the people who are corroborating Floyd's story?
Second, will you accept the findings if it showed Lance to have doped, even if there is no more recent positive?

 

[bhilden]

Here are a couple of paragraphs from "It's Not About the Bike" (Page 271).

"The question that lingers is, how much was I a factor in my own survival, and how much was science, and how much miracle.

I don't have the answer to that question. Other people look to me for the answer, I know. But if I could answer it, we would have the cure for cancer, and what's more, we would fathom the true meaning of our existences. I can deliver motivation, inspiration, hope, courage and counsel, but I can't answer the unknowable. Personally, I don't need to try. I am conent to simply be alive to enjoy the mystery."

Bruce

 

[Digger]

Here are a couple of paragraphs from "It's Not About the Bike" (Page 271).

"The question that lingers is, how much was I a factor in my own survival, and how much was science, and how much miracle.

I don't have the answer to that question. Other people look to me for the answer, I know. But if I could answer it, we would have the cure for cancer, and what's more, we would fathom the true meaning of our existences. I can deliver motivation, inspiration, hope, courage and counsel, but I can't answer the unknowable. Personally, I don't need to try. I am conent to simply be alive to enjoy the mystery."

Bruce

What leaps out at me is not the content, but the difference between this, and his email to the Wall Street Journal. The latter contained the words of a man seriously lacking in formal education and basic writing skills. The above is beatifully written and articulate. Point being that this above is more Sally Jenkins than Lance. An awful lot more.

 

[BotanyBay]

What leaps out at me is not the content, but the difference between this, and his email to the Wall Street Journal. The latter contained the words of a man seriously lacking in formal education and basic writing skills. The above is beatifully written and articulate. Point being that this above is more Sally Jenkins than Lance. An awful lot more.

I thought he hired Alphonse to do that stuff for him.

 

[flicker]

Here are a couple of paragraphs from "It's Not About the Bike" (Page 271).

"The question that lingers is, how much was I a factor in my own survival, and how much was science, and how much miracle.

I don't have the answer to that question. Other people look to me for the answer, I know. But if I could answer it, we would have the cure for cancer, and what's more, we would fathom the true meaning of our existences. I can deliver motivation, inspiration, hope, courage and counsel, but I can't answer the unknowable. Personally, I don't need to try. I am conent to simply be alive to enjoy the mystery."

Bruce

I love Lancisms. He is like a meadowlarks morning chants across a dewy meadow.

Kimmage, LeMond and Walsh could learn a thing or three about how to interview/get their point across and entertain all in one fell swoop.from this fellow celt:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktK9xJoOFeM

 

[Muriel]

agreed. it's in poor taste.

I know what you are saying, and I thought that at first, but I think it's deliberately provocative. Is it any more distasteful than using it as a personal marketing slogan?

 

[D-Queued]

overtime is gonna cost Liestrong big on this one, that is if he pays

If he doesn't pay, I am sure all these fawnboys could always sue their employer.

Dave.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Thanks for posting Dim; finally got around to watching.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

obviously they are not and never were, but I'm sure there was EVIDENCE to bring them down ? '...'

We have every reason to believe there is irrefutable evidence to back up many of Landis' claims.

Eye witness testimony is evidence. Juliet Macur says the Government has other team members who also say that:
A) They were doping
B) They were made to
C) It was encouraged
D) It was paid for

Forget about wanting a positive test as evidence; there are endless examples of people who were doping for ages before testing positive.

Corroborated eye witness testimony is accepted as evidence by the highest judicial bodies. Novitsky has EVIDENCE.

 

[BotanyBay]

If he doesn't pay, I am sure all these fawnboys could always sue their employer.

Dave.

Not if he chases them down and sues 'em first!

 

[Granville57]

...

Corroborated eye witness testimony is accepted as evidence by the highest judicial bodies. Novitsky has EVIDENCE.

And let us not forget, in the U.S.A, we have put people to death on eyewitness testimony alone. Now before anyone gets worked up, I am not suggesting capital punishment here (nor am I condoning it). I am simply pointing out that eyewitness testimony carries significant weight in a court of law.

 

[TexPat]

What leaps out at me is not the content, but the difference between this, and his email to the Wall Street Journal. The latter contained the words of a man seriously lacking in formal education and basic writing skills. The above is beautifully written and articulate. Point being that this above is more Sally Jenkins than Lance. An awful lot more.

Sorry, I haven't seen said email to the WSJ. Have you a link?

The bold part is as true as you can get.

 

[Race Radio]

Here are a couple of paragraphs from "It's Not About the Bike" (Page 271).

"The question that lingers is, how much was I a factor in my own survival, and how much was science, and how much miracle.

I don't have the answer to that question. Other people look to me for the answer, I know. But if I could answer it, we would have the cure for cancer, and what's more, we would fathom the true meaning of our existences. I can deliver motivation, inspiration, hope, courage and counsel, but I can't answer the unknowable. Personally, I don't need to try. I am conent to simply be alive to enjoy the mystery."

Bruce

Ahhh, the fine words of Sally Jenkins.

 

[Race Radio]

agreed. it's in poor taste. i think he likes the shock value of it. he wants people to stand up and take notice but he could accomplish that so many other ways.

it's because he is right that i'd like to see him be more tactful.

Cancer is a bad term. Cancer can kill but it is doubtful that Lance will kill pro cycling....he just flares up now and again causing pain and irritation.

Lance Armstrong, The Herpes of Professional Cycling.

 

[mwbyrd]

nah, he is doomed whatever i would like to see and by his own choice. as far as i am concerned i dont care if he dies rich, his myth is shattering and that is the most important thing, that people know the truth about his 7 TdF's being fraud and being a doper big time.

he'll probably go out like elvis

Why were his 7 TDF a fraud if everyone was doping? Just because he said he didn't do it? Someone tell me who the last clean winner was? Heck, even Mercx got busted.

So let's stop calling LA a fraud because he refuses to admit he doped. A lot of other guys haven't admitted it.

But if we continue to call his wins a fraud, let's call the top 50% of the peloton frauds....

The bigger issue is how the drugs are obtained, used and dispersed.

 

[Race Radio]

If you want to know how a high school dropout writes here is a good example

Letter to the Wall Street Journal

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Am I crazy, or did a bunch of fanboys just get bussed-in?

LMAO at that! some of your best work with the Dootle bus!

 

[Berzin]

I think Kimmage should drop the cancer-metaphor a.s.a.p.
He's not gonna win anybody over with that metaphor. Too much pun intended, and the term cancer is too heavily and emotionally loaded for too many people, so playing with the word isn't really wise, imo.

Doesn't take away that he's right, of course, but he should pick another metaphor.

Nope. Kimmage should stick to this metaphor, as there is nothing more fitting.

Armstrong used the halo of cancer survivor to lie to everyone about his intentions and his methods of achieving his goals on the bike.

It's only right he should get smacked right in the grill with his own hypocrisy.

He profited mightily from his comeback, which was supposedly "for them", on the house and free of charge.

He's reaping what he's sown, so good for Paul to pound this one home for all to hear.

 

[DirtyWorks]

We have every reason to believe there is irrefutable evidence to back up many of Landis' claims.

Eye witness testimony is evidence. Juliet Macur says the Government has other team members who also say that:
A) They were doping
B) They were made to
C) It was encouraged
D) It was paid for

Forget about wanting a positive test as evidence; there are endless examples of people who were doping for ages before testing positive.

Corroborated eye witness testimony is accepted as evidence by the highest judicial bodies. Novitsky has EVIDENCE.

But there are no charges yet. The lawyers aren't go-for-broke personalities in order to make it as far along as they have in their careers. I'm hopeful they've got enough. Really I am. I'm hopeful it's multiple felonies throughout Team Pharmstrong.

This is where the intricacies of The Law (and politics) may turn felonies into minor crimes. Also remember the appeals process has gotten a large number of well financed criminals off the hook for their crimes.

Proceed with caution.

 

[flicker]

Paul Kimmage we salute you!

Time to get out of that attic and sing real loud.(Like my friend johnny)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPj-8_wOZcA&feature=related

Express thyself, your friend, the flicker

 

[DirtyWorks]

If you want to know how a high school dropout writes here is a good example

Letter to the Wall Street Journal

Haha that's funny. That is the perfect example of a letter written by lawyers and PR hacks and then edited by more lawyers and PR hacks before being forwarded to the WSJ. How many man-hours you figure went into that thing? My guess is 20 hours. Some of those were lawyer-billed hours too. Ouch!

It has everything! Misdirection, deceit cast as fact, good vs. evil. Just amazing. This has to be America's greatest contribution to the world since the polio vaccine. The comments are creepy too.

 

[notcredible]

Why were his 7 TDF a fraud if everyone was doping? Just because he said he didn't do it? Someone tell me who the last clean winner was? Heck, even Mercx got busted.

So let's stop calling LA a fraud because he refuses to admit he doped. A lot of other guys haven't admitted it.

But if we continue to call his wins a fraud, let's call the top 50% of the peloton frauds....

The bigger issue is how the drugs are obtained, used and dispersed.

People call him a fraud because he is a fraud.
The '' refuses to admit he doped '' part clarifies him as a fraud and a liar.

The bigger issue you refer to may not be a totally different issue.