Kimmage on Wiggins, Sky

[Benotti69]

Froome doesn't know the history of the sport!!!! He is naive!!!! He is 29 been a pro since 2007 and he comes out with this to Kimmage!!!

Bollix!

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Froome knows exactly how many TUE's he has had, he says 2 in the interview, and they were both for Prednisone. The 2nd one was after Romandie. Interesting to see how well he dodges Kimmage's question for more detail on this. Very skilled deflection.

Reporters have been pushing Froome on his TUE's for years. Here is what he said last year at the tour

Quote:
“TUEs are a rather personal issue, but I am able to say I do not have any TUEs during this Tour,” Froome said. “Hopefully I will not have any.”

With all the questioning about TUE's the last 2 years he has to know what is, and is not, allowed. No way the riders do not know the policy. They have to know the policy so they can push the limits of it.......or maybe they are like most here, they think that anything SKY tells the media does not really mean anything.

This is the biggest contradiction drawn up by PK. In the interview, Froome says that he had a similar TUE sometime after Romandie, which would be before his comment at the TDF.

Also, the first installment ends with Froome and Cound talking about his naiveté, with regards to Vaughter's issue with the wasp and cortisone. But he repetedly explains that he understands the climate given the past decades. That and his "how can I be cleaner" comment.

I look forward to seeing this conclude. I hope they broke it up in order to build to something really good in part 2

 

[Race Radio]

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So Froome is not sure of what he is allowed to do as an athlete! How old is this guy and how long has he been a pro and he 'thinks' you have to apply for a TUE OOC....

Sky must love all this focus on TUE's as it ignores the real question about loopholes that allow riders to use some products OOC without a TUE.

When some folks invented a story about lots of TUE's it played right into their narrative. They were able to address the question by saying they only had a couple of TUE's and dismiss the speculation as more nonsense from bone idle ****ers.

I hope Kimmage asks the question most want to know the answer to

Kimmage: Aside from the 2 times you used Pednisone with a TUE have you used any products containing Coritisone in the last 3 years? If yes how many times?

Froome: Ummmm, errr.......Hey, look a bunny rabbit!

 

[froooome]

CF: "I think they need to (understand) that in six-and-a-half years of my career I've applied for two TUEs"

This should be easily confirmed: UCI leaked one of them why not the other one(s).

 

[thehog]

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So Froome is not sure of what he is allowed to do as an athlete! How old is this guy and how long has he been a pro and he 'thinks' you have to apply for a TUE OOC....

He just dances around the questions and then relies on Michelle to fill in the gaps.

Funny interview but much better than a Walsh has ever produced.

PK: You asked me about the Tour de France and what I would do? In 2002, Jonathan Vaughters was stung by a wasp (in the eye) on the rest day in Bordeaux and needed a cortisone injection. He had never finished the Tour de France and was only a couple of days from Paris but the team would not allow him to have the injection and pulled him out of the race. That's the standard.

CF: Right.

PK: That's what we require now. This sport has had loads of champions - what it needs is a champion we can believe in. That's where you come in. That's the standard we require from you.

CF: Okay.

MC: Chris doesn't know the history of the sport . . .

CF: I'm learning about it but I am very naive still.

PK: Naive is a word Dave Brailsford often uses.

CF: Oh, really? Okay. I'm very . . .

(He looks at Michelle)

CF: What would you say?

MC: You don't know the history of the sport; you don't know those sorts of stories. In this situation, maybe it would have been better to know that story. All he can do now is focus on racing clean and focus on following the rules that have been set out to him, and that's what he feels he's done. And that's why he can't understand the criticism.

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[Eriana]

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So Froome is not sure of what he is allowed to do as an athlete! How old is this guy and how long has he been a pro and he 'thinks' you have to apply for a TUE OOC....

I don't find that such an absurd notion. Do you think all athletes are versed into WADA law and the list of banned substances? Think again, I've met Olympic level triathletes that had no idea anti-doping tests for mj.

He uses "I think" a lot (see that in other interviews): it's a filler not a "i'm not sure"

 

[the sceptic]

K: The thing that amazed me was the way you left Contador - you rode away from him without getting out of the saddle.

CF: Yeah.

PK: I asked a lot of people in the sport and they had never seen that before.

CF: I've been working on that a lot in the wind tunnel - seated accelerations. I've seen the drag co-efficient go straight up as soon as you get out of the saddle, and I find it's a lot more sustainable to do that versus standing up and sprinting, but it depends obviously on the climb. I don't know what the times are up there, if you compare them to guys in the past . . .

But they never put him on a TT bike?

 

[BYOP88]

Froome doesn't know the history of the sport!!!! He is naive!!!! He is 29 been a pro since 2007 and he comes out with this to Kimmage!!!

Bollix!

Good job Cound knows the "history".

 

[LaFlorecita]

He just dances around the questions and then relies on Michelle to fill in the gaps.

Funny interview but much better than a Walsh has ever produced.



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Hog I thought you made up that quote I checked and it's really there wtf

 

[Race Radio]

Good job Cound knows the "history".

Her mom is a masters World Champion. She certainly knows more about the sport then Chris. She has been involved in it for well over a decade

 

[MartinGT]

An interesting read I must say.

Contradicts himself which is the Norm at Sky. Saying he knows about the history and then saying he doesnt.

I doubt there is going to be a spectacular ending that people want though.

 

[the sceptic]

I wish Kimmage would have asked about the Madone time. That is something that is hard to explain away.

 

[The Hitch]

He just dances around the questions and then relies on Michelle to fill in the gaps.

Funny interview but much better than a Walsh has ever produced.



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That's part of the narrative froome goes with in his book. That he does t know the history of the sport. It was listed as a marginal gain- froome wasn't intimidated by his rivals cos he didn't know any of them.

 

[elduggo]

I wish Kimmage would have asked about the Madone time. That is something that is hard to explain away.

still part 2 to come and as he says himself, he feels like hes only getting started.

 

[elduggo]

I doubt there is going to be a spectacular ending that people want though.

look at the comments on the last few pages of this thread. Not 'spectacular' in a conventional sense maybe, but still great.

 

[thehog]

That's part of the narrative froome goes with in his book. That he does t know the history of the sport. It was listed as a marginal gain- froome wasn't intimidated by his rivals cos he didn't know any of them.

Makes one wonder how Walsh came out with the two books that he did.

How in the hell did he piece together the vagueness into "marginal gains", "no stone left unturned", "attention to detail"?

One guess that there was someone else providing Walsh with the bulk of the text

 

[JimmyFingers]

The newspaper messed up big time. The headline should have been - The investigation: Paul Kimmage finally interviews Michelle Cound.

Haha excellent, a sentiment I was feeling from the extracts I have read.

Froome is....bizarre, just a strange character, very hard to get a handle on. My opinions on him seems to change daily. But just why is she there? Why is she answering questions?

 

[blackcat]

this is interesting because how far can you take this thinking



Did Froome say to himself when Sky were going to ditch him, "sacrifice, i trained and raced all these years at what cost? '**** the sacrifice', i going to dope......"

Seems to be a guy who is prepared to do what it takes.....

i read this response like this. "i play under the norms the peloton has set. thanks"

 

[the sceptic]

Haha excellent, a sentiment I was feeling from the extracts I have read.

Froome is....bizarre, just a strange character, very hard to get a handle on. My opinions on him seems to change daily. But just why is she there? Why is she answering questions?

The later twitter conspiracy re: Counds mother was amusing..

 

[JimmyFingers]

The later twitter conspiracy re: Counds mother was amusing..

I'm not really very active on Twitter so would welcome elaboration.

 

[Benotti69]

I don't find that such an absurd notion. Do you think all athletes are versed into WADA law and the list of banned substances? Think again, I've met Olympic level triathletes that had no idea anti-doping tests for mj.

He uses "I think" a lot (see that in other interviews): it's a filler not a "i'm not sure"

I dont think that riders need to be versed in WADA law, but not knowing a simple thing like does he need a TUE for OOC or not for a guy with so many illnesses doesn't wash. I mean it is only his career down the swanny should he test positive

 

[noddy69]

CF: It was that morning. I flew in the night before and the doctor saw me and said, 'We'll check you in the morning'.

PK: Who was the doctor?

CF: Richard.. . . .

MC: Freeman.

CF: Sorry, Freeman
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PK: Who was the doctor?

CF: Richard Usher.

PK: So he decided you should apply for the TUE and he called?

CF: I think he called Farrell (Alan Farrell, the Team Sky lead doctor)
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Is that not all a bit messed up in his head. He doesn't know what Doctor he saw is what that reads like.

 

[the sceptic]

I'm not really very active on Twitter so would welcome elaboration.

Well, Chris and Michelle met sometime in 2011 and her mother is a bodybuilder apparently so she was the one that transformed Froome..

 

[Benotti69]

Well, Chris and Michelle met sometime in 2011 and her mother is a bodybuilder apparently so she was the one that transformed Froome..

The Mother of Michelle Cound or Cound transformed Froome?

 

[jens_attacks]

Is that not all a bit messed up in his head. He doesn't know what Doctor he saw is what that reads like.

for a succesful athlete it's very hard to remember all the doctors, truth be told...


and i agree with the theory that someone made him in the summer of 2011 go full pedal to the metal, hardcore pascal herve gangsta shiit. michelle would be my guess, strong character