Kimmage unleashes hell, counter-sues Verbruggen & McQuaid

[Dr. Maserati]

I buy that everybody except Brown had good intentions. Cyclismas, nevertheless is responsible for its action--or inaction. Cyclismas was not minding the store.

So what were 'Cyclismas' meant to have done?
And knowing this, why did you contribute to them?

Plus, as has been pointed out (and used to beat some over the head), Brown is a Canadian and I assume (?) was living in Canada at the time the fund was set up. If the funds were paid into a Canadian bank account, then Canadian tax laws and taxes would apply and not US. Cyclismas.com is a domain name registered to Ellmore Consultancy Ltd, in Lincolnshire, UK so could the funds have been deposited in a British account?

Obviously, these are questions that can probably be answered by others on here.

Obviously this was run like amateur accountants, so funds being moved in itself would not be a major issue, as they may have believed there was a liability - even if that turned out to be true or false.

But the real issue is why a statement with all transactions has not been forthcoming.

 

[MacRoadie]

Obviously this was run like amateur accountants, so funds being moved in itself would not be a major issue, as they may have believed there was a liability - even if that turned out to be true or false.

But the real issue is why a statement with all transactions has not been forthcoming.

Agreed. I was simply pointing out that just about every aspect of what's been posted in the thread has some element of speculation. A simple statement would absolutely go a long way to clearing the air.

 

[MarkvW]

So what were 'Cyclismas' meant to have done?
And knowing this, why did you contribute to them?


Obviously this was run like amateur accountants, so funds being moved in itself would not be a major issue, as they may have believed there was a liability - even if that turned out to be true or false.

But the real issue is why a statement with all transactions has not been forthcoming.

Cyclismas solicited the donations and stored the donations in a Cyclismas bank account. Those acts, well intentioned as they were, meant that Cyclismas assumed responsibilities regarding those funds. They shouldn't be able to walk away from those obligations (and they may not even intend to).

I contributed to the fund because my omniscience frailed me.

 

[Race Radio]

Cyclismas solicited the donations and stored the donations in a Cyclismas bank account. Those acts, well intentioned as they were, meant that Cyclismas assumed responsibilities regarding those funds. They shouldn't be able to walk away from those obligations (and they may not even intend to).

I contributed to the fund because my omniscience frailed me.

We get it........ you are embarrassed because you got suckered by Brown just like Leslie is embarrassed she was suckered by Brown

 

[TheGame]

Brown is not doing himself any favors by keeping quiet.

Quiet, apart from being the one that gave the story to CN, strangely. Why? Who knows?

 

[MarkvW]

We get it........ you are embarrassed because you got suckered by Brown just like Leslie is embarrassed she was suckered by Brown

That would be true.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Leslie, Paul, Andy and Digger did a good job drawing attention and raising funds. Unfortunately they trusted the management of the fund to Brown.

It seems clear that Lesli, Paul, and Andy did a great job....Brown however has done a horrible job of managing his part of the fund.

To ascribe the questionable actions of one person to a group who worked hard with good intentions is silly.

This is the part that Mark doesn't want to understand. A bunch of well-meaning people had an idea to help someone who needed it. None of them had ever undertaken anything like it, but they decided to try to help anyway. It was wildly more successful than they imagined. Unfortunately, Brown appears to have really messed up the whole thing.

Then Mark starts pouting because of his "cheap" (his word) donation, and starts throwing cr@p around like a monkey. Now he is trying to cover this by saying that everyone holds the same responsibility because its an easy thing to say and big broad statements like that have big general net to catch people, and he gets to avoid the actual details and facts. Reminds me of the Tea Party.

Anyway, I want Digger, Andy, and Lesli, to know just how much I appreciate what they did. Nobody asked them to spontaneously come to the aid of someone in real need. What happened with that fund shows me that there are some really decent people in the world, and that good people who have no money are not always at the mercy of those who do. That someone messed up their noble undertaking is not a reflection of them in any way.

I want to thank Kimmage too for his bravery in telling the truth and asking questions "journalists" like the ones at Cyclingnews are too scared to ask...until everyone already knows the answers anyway.

 

[JRTinMA]

Can we stop calling it the Kimmage Defense Fund and start calling it the Aaron Brown Fund.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Cyclismas solicited the donations and stored the donations in a Cyclismas bank account. Those acts, well intentioned as they were, meant that Cyclismas assumed responsibilities regarding those funds. They shouldn't be able to walk away from those obligations (and they may not even intend to).

I contributed to the fund because my omniscience frailed me.

I think you must have meant that it flailed you.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Can we stop calling it the Kimmage Defense Fund and start calling it the Aaron Brown Fund.

I certainly hope that is not the case, but every day that goes by suggests that may be the case...

 

[Hugh Januss]

Can we stop calling it the Kimmage Defense Fund and start calling it the Aaron Brown Fund.

Or the "Aaron Brown's New Road Bike Fund".


Edit: Bunch of new road bikes.

 

[MarkvW]

I think you must have meant that it flailed you.

Or perhaps my freudian frailties.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Since I posted numerous encouragements to contribute, please feel free to vent your anger towards me. You can call me a jerk, and even accuse me of inducement. I don't mind being that lightening rod.

All of this name-calling misses the entire point.

I still commend these folks for their initiative, and follow through. I am impressed they conceived of it and actually pulled it off. Clearly they were not 'professional' fund-raisers for this kind of activity. Simply people who felt that they had to take action against injustice and the perpetuation of gross neglect within the sport. To call Pat and Hein bullies would be too soft.

It is easy to put your name on an on-line poll. A lot harder to get people to contribute real money. That this initiative garnered as much hard support as it did is arguably the strongest statement yet on how broad the concern is about the UCI's current management.

I do hope all of the money ends up in Kimmage's benefit.

I would contribute again, though, even if the money were shredded, just to express how much the UCI needs to change.

Dave.

Indeed!!!!

 

[Navigator]

Cyclismas should use this opportunity to drop the tedious hoax articles and become a serious cycling website. Comedy isn't going to work anymore.

 

[cathulu]

Mr. Brown. Please give my donation to Paul so he can use it as he pleases - I would prefer he use it for a nice vacation. Please do not hold it because you don't want to use it as an attack fund. As everybody knows, a good defence is a good offence. I was very clear my money when donated could be used for a vacation, I think there is a record of that even here. Thanking you in advance.

 

[M Sport]

You couldn't script this stuff could you, our whole sport is filled with scumbags. I feel for Kimmage in all of this.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Mr. Brown. Please give my donation to Paul so he can use it as he pleases - I would prefer he use it for a nice vacation. Please do not hold it because you don't want to use it as an attack fund. As everybody knows, a good defence is a good offence. I was very clear my money when donated could be used for a vacation, I think there is a record of that even here. Thanking you in advance.

Speaking of scripts and seeing this post reminds me of the great line from Reservoir Dogs.

"Yah, but Mr. Brown is a little too close to Mr. Sh*t."

 

[thirteen]

No good deed…

 

[Ferminal]

What are the good intentions behind moving the money into a private account?

 

[Digger]

What are the good intentions behind moving the money into a private account?

I am really annoyed at the way people laud Anna Zimmerman and her blog. It's reverse sexual discrimination. It's because she is good looking. And really reflects badly on us men.
There is hardly anything in the blog about the fund which is of any substance, merely conjecture.

 

[Ferminal]

I am really annoyed at the way people laud Anna Zimmerman and her blog. It's reverse sexual discrimination. It's because she is good looking. And really reflects badly on us men.
There is hardly anything in the blog about the fund which is of any substance, merely conjecture.

Well I don't care much for the prose, but the screenshots (unless they are fake) show Kimmage's money being moved out.

 

[Digger]

Well I don't care much for the prose, but the screenshots (unless they are fake) show Kimmage's money being moved out.

You are right, there is that - but she misses the point in my view.

 

[hrotha]

I don't really read her blog but I don't think there was much wrong with that article. If lauding someone because she looks good is reverse sexual discrimination, saying all there is to that someone is her good looks and that nobody could possibly appreciate her for anything else must be reverse reverse sexual discrimination, right?

Maybe you could point out what's wrong with that piece, other than "missing the point" (which is rather vague).

 

[thirteen]

to be honest, i am more confused than i was before after reading that piece and am not quite sure why it was put up -- she doesn't seem to quite know either... i linked to it, though, because it has screen shots and a few bits of information that i hadn't seen anywhere else.

 

[timmers]

I am really annoyed at the way people laud Anna Zimmerman and her blog. It's reverse sexual discrimination. It's because she is good looking. And really reflects badly on us men.
There is hardly anything in the blog about the fund which is of any substance, merely conjecture.

Just googled her and can't find anything so what is your problem?

From reading the thread it appears you are a friend of Paul Kimmage, some woman called Lesli (who parents obviously can't spell) who has a site called Cyclmas, someone from nyvelocity called Andy Shen and perhaps a guy called Aaron Brown.

If you do know any of them help us out and ask them what is going on and post it here.

As I have learnt more than I need to know about US non profits help us out..

I assume from the name Digger you are Australian so start digging!