Kimmage unleashes hell, counter-sues Verbruggen & McQuaid

[ferryman]

Well I've trying my best to ban both you and Netserk but I keep getting denied access.

So...how much time did you say until the reinforcements arrive?

Well, there's this special button you have to press, it's called......

Knackered, so out of here. Ask your local friendly USA mod when they turn up

 

[Benotti69]

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2013/skins-underwrite-kimmage-legal-bills

SKINS chairman Jaimie Fuller has pledged to underwrite Paul Kimmage's legal bills while the situation with his defense fund is being resolved.

 

[Granville57]

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2013/skins-underwrite-kimmage-legal-bills

SKINS chairman Jaimie Fuller has pledged to underwrite Paul Kimmage's legal bills while the situation with his defense fund is being resolved.

Hmmm.

the dissolution of an unrelated business partnership has resulted in the refusal of Mr Brown to provide transactional details of the account or release of the remaining funds.

I suppose that we really don't know what would happen if the UCI reopened their case against Kimmage. We have no way of knowing if Aaron Brown would make the funds available to Kimmage or not.

But I can't help but notice the blatant self-promoting of SKINS products attached to the press release of their generous offer. Call me a cynic. Although I can't possibly imagine how I got that way.

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@Digger
Have you any reason to believe that Brown wouldn't release the funds if indeed Paul Kimmage needed them for his defense?
(That's not to suggest that there isn't something seriously wrong with simply not knowing the answer, because that, in and of itself, would be reason enough to loathe the "Overlord.")

 

[Benotti69]

Hmmm.


I suppose that we really don't know what would happen if the UCI reopened their case against Kimmage. We have no way of knowing if Aaron Brown would make the funds available to Kimmage or not.

But I can't help but notice the blatant self-promoting of SKINS products attached to the press release of their generous offer. Call me a cynic. Although I can't possibly imagine how I got that way.

I passed no comment because I had that cynical thought too.

Fuller might be making hay and playing on the presumed fear McQuaid might have about dragging it to a court where he would have little control over what may appear on the side of Kimmage, remember LeMond's threat of proof.

But maybe he could put $70k odd in an account in Switzerland as originally suggested by Kimmage to Brown, then everyone would know Fuller is the real deal.

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@Digger
Have you any reason to believe that Brown wouldn't release the funds if indeed Paul Kimmage needed them for his defense?
(That's not to suggest that there isn't something seriously wrong with simply not knowing the answer, because that, in and of itself, would be reason enough to loathe the "Overlord.")

Not answering for Digger as he is well able to and does a grand job on twitter.

But I guess this all could have been put to bed a long time ago if Brown fessed up to Lesli, Digger, Andy and Paul, handed over the remaining total with a strong intention to reimburse the account with what is due.

But it sounds like Brown is swanning around the Giro and not showing too much concern for the fund, the donors, the orginators or Paul.

 

[Granville57]

But maybe he could put $70k odd in an account in Switzerland as originally suggested by Kimmage to Brown, then everyone would know Fuller is the real deal.

I'm not questioning Jamie's intent to pay, or ability to pay though. If Paul suddenly needed the funds, and Brown didn't or couldn't provide them, then Jamie would have to step up, or suffer the consequences of irrevocable criticism and disdain himself—which would ultimately affect SKINS.

I would just consider his gesture a bit more sincere if he did it without the company advertisement. I would think that simply making the offer to Paul would, by itself, be an excellent way to attract attention to his brand, while instilling a deeper sense of gratitude from the very people he is obviously trying to appeal to.

But I do commend him for jumping in the ring. It still sends an important message to the UCI: Paul is not without his supporters.

 

[Benotti69]

I'm not questioning Jamie's intent to pay, or ability to pay though. If Paul suddenly needed the funds, and Brown didn't or couldn't provide them, then Jamie would have to step up, or suffer the consequences of irrevocable criticism and disdain himself—which would ultimately affect SKINS.

I would just consider his gesture a bit more sincere if he did it without the company advertisement. I would think that simply making the offer to Paul would, by itself, be an excellent way to attract attention to his brand, while instilling a deeper sense of gratitude from the very people he is obviously trying to appeal to.

But I do commend him for jumping in the ring. It still sends an important message to the UCI: Paul is not without his supporters.

Yes and it is pretty damning off the bike, accessories, et al manufacturers that it is only Fuller doing it or at least it appears that way.

 

[Netserk]

Yes and it is pretty damning off the bike, accessories, et al manufacturers that it is only Fuller doing it or at least it appears that way.

Or just the quickest to do so?

 

[frenchfry]

Hmmm.


I suppose that we really don't know what would happen if the UCI reopened their case against Kimmage. We have no way of knowing if Aaron Brown would make the funds available to Kimmage or not.

But I can't help but notice the blatant self-promoting of SKINS products attached to the press release of their generous offer. Call me a cynic. Although I can't possibly imagine how I got that way.

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@Digger
Have you any reason to believe that Brown wouldn't release the funds if indeed Paul Kimmage needed them for his defense?
(That's not to suggest that there isn't something seriously wrong with simply not knowing the answer, because that, in and of itself, would be reason enough to loathe the "Overlord.")

I tend to agree on the shameless promotion attached to the promise, but the world today revolves around marketing so this is just business as usual.

Furthermore, there is approx. 0% chance that Verdruggen and McQuaid will revive their stupid lawsuit since they now know they won't get away with it. That is why is isn't unreasonable that the fund (non-existant?) be used for some sort of counter-attack to destabilise the corrupt duo.

 

[Granville57]

Yes and it is pretty damning of the bike, accessories, et al manufacturers that it is only Fuller doing it or at least it appears that way.

Excellent point.

Any number of well-paid cyclists could've easily done the same too (discreetly, if necessary). And yet...



(I edited your post as I think was your intent)

 

[Benotti69]

Or just the quickest to do so?

This didn't happen yesterday.

 

[Netserk]

This didn't happen yesterday.

One can be superlative without being positive

 

[Benotti69]

Excellent point.

Any number of well-paid cyclists could've easily done the same too (discreetly, if necessary). And yet...

(I edited your post as I think was your intent)

Not just riders, there are DSs, team owners, race owners that could all have made a contribution.

 

[Granville57]

Maybe Floyd will take part of his Qui Tam earnings and use LA's money to pay the Kimmage fund.

 

[autologous]

I tend to agree on the shameless promotion attached to the promise, but the world today revolves around marketing so this is just business as usual.

Why the hell would you have a problem with corporations/clothing suppliers/manufacturers attaching their name to an anti-UCI corruption movement? The more the better!

It will never happen, but imagine if it was Specialized or SRAM? You'd complain. I wouldn't.

If a company can see that there is money and/or PR to be made by sticking up for someone that wants to point out UCI's corruption, that's nothing but a net positive for the sport.

Omerta, silence, unwillingness to speak out is a contributor to where we are today.

I don't need anything that Skins sells, but if I did I'd buy it in support.

 

[Granville57]

I don't need anything that Skins sells, but if I did I'd buy it in support.

But the only thing necessary for that to happen would be knowing that..

cycling journalist Paul Kimmage is getting help from cycling clothing manufacturer SKINS.

SKINS chairman Jaime Fuller pledged the company’s support for Kimmage

End of. Them throwing in the rest of the product promo is unnecessary, IMHO.

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe Floyd will take part of his Qui Tam earnings and use LA's money to pay the Kimmage fund.

Would be better if FLoyd sued Verbruggen and McQuaid.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I tend to agree on the shameless promotion attached to the promise, but the world today revolves around marketing so this is just business as usual.

I have zero problem with it.
And I don't think it is shameless promotion - Fuller has already spent a large sum getting people together for the CCN, he would have needed to shift a lot of stock to cover that.

If you were looking to make money in cycling you cozy up to the UCI.

Furthermore, there is approx. 0% chance that Verdruggen and McQuaid will revive their stupid lawsuit since they now know they won't get away with it. That is why is isn't unreasonable that the fund (non-existant?) be used for some sort of counter-attack to destabilise the corrupt duo.

Indeed it would seem ridiculous to revive a 'stupid lawsuit' - only people with hubris, money and no dignity or shame would consider doing so.
So there is every possibility that this could be revived - remember this is not only about silencing Kimmage, but every other journalist or person who highlights their corruption and deceit.
Pat & Hein like nothing more than trotting out the "we sued them & won" line in public while sending "cease & desist" in private.

 

[Scott SoCal]

But the only thing necessary for that to happen would be knowing that..



End of. Them throwing in the rest of the product promo is unnecessary, IMHO.

Agree... but it does seem this is a classic case of no good deed shall go unpunished.

Fuller has stepped up and I'll bet that Kimmage appreciates it.

 

[Granville57]

Fuller has stepped up and I'll bet that Kimmage appreciates it.

No doubt. My cynicism is simply a product of the environment (fueled by reading too many Digger tweets ).

 

[Race Radio]

But I can't help but notice the blatant self-promoting of SKINS products attached to the press release of their generous offer. Call me a cynic. Although I can't possibly imagine how I got that way.

I have met Jaimie and keep in touch with him. I can understand why some think it is based on self promotion but I always got the impression he is a guy who once he latches onto something does not let go. I am not sure he has a plan, he just hates the way the UCI is run.....and is likely not a big fan of Mr. Brown

 

[cyclismaseditor]

Maybe Floyd will take part of his Qui Tam earnings and use LA's money to pay the Kimmage fund.

Floyd called me the other day and we laughed at his joke (originally told to Andy Shen of NYVelocity),

You know, these fund things rarely work out the way you expect them to…

Then I went back to crying for Paul. And Justin and Dave, because I have no Cyclismas money to pay them with as of now. It's all sitting in various accounts I have no access to.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Floyd called me the other day and we laughed at his joke (originally told to Andy Shen of NYVelocity),



Then I went back to crying for Paul. And Justin and Dave, because I have no Cyclismas money to pay them with as of now. It's all sitting in various accounts I have no access to.

It's good to see you have moments where you can find humor in this.

 

[Granville57]

Then I went back to crying for Paul. And Justin and Dave, because I have no Cyclismas money to pay them with as of now. It's all sitting in various accounts I have no access to.

Hold on now. This would indicate another, more insidious level of manipulation on the part of Aaron Brown. Are you saying that there are legitimate Cyclismas funds, that are not attached to the Kimmage Fund, that you do not have rightful access to?

 

[cyclismaseditor]

Hold on now. This would indicate another, more insidious level of manipulation on the part of Aaron Brown. Are you saying that there are legitimate Cyclismas funds, that are not attached to the Kimmage Fund, that you do not have rightful access to?

Yes I am...

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yes I am...

Oh crap, now we have to start a "save cyclismas's azs" fund?
Screw that guy. OK I'm in, where do I send the money?