Kittel Tweet

[BroDeal]

Omerta lives...in the clinic. How often here do I see riders castigated for speaking out, the same way people speak out here about suspicious performances everyday. It appears you only like it when they speak out riders you like to speak out about. They are in double trouble if they actually cite an example of a clean rider that you have already spoken out about as being a dirty dawg.

Then they are being unprofessional and a big meanie to the poor rider.

He did not have to say anything today. He did not have to come into their "house" and lay a turd in the living room. He could have waited until he was back at home. There is a proper time for everything.

This is why I like Benotti, consistency

Consistency like believing in The Sky Miracle (tm) even as you voted, thinking the votes were secret, that 40% of the peloton is still doping? Real consistency there.

 

[zigmeister]

Did I miss something that there is no testing?

Yeah, I know,the positive effects of EPO will last awhile in your system so it can't be detected after it clears.

I'm assuming that is what this is all about? Otherwise, why is a fat terrible climber Kittel whining? It wasn't even that big of a climb...haha.

What I'm more surprised about is Rory Sutherland...how after his last year US Challenge Flagstaff climb that was off the charts he dominated, then landed his big contract with Saxo..now he is just *descent*.

If he put the kind of power down in any of these TuR stages he was doing late last year, nobody could hang with him. Can't find a thread on him in the Clinic...so people must think he is clean.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/08/news/power-analysis-sutherlands-1049-watt-attack_236344

 

[JimmyFingers]

He did not have to say anything today. He did not have to come into their "house" and lay a turd in the living room. He could have waited until he was back at home. There is a proper time for everything.



Consistency like believing in The Sky Miracle (tm) even as you voted, thinking the votes were secret, that 40% of the peloton is still doping? Real consistency there.

Small point little man: 30-40%, so about a third maybe, I'm not so blinkered I think everyone is racing clean. I know you like to think this somehow contradicts my opinion generally, it really doesn't.

And when is the proper time? Just before Sunday lunch? When should a pro question another's performance? Is it like when you meeting a girl but not being able to text her for 7 days? I didn't realise there is an etiquette for these things. So Kittel isn't wrong for doing it, he just passed the port in the wrong direction

 

[Afrank]

Kittel is only posting what everyone is thinking. The more that happens the more scrutiny riders come under the better the sport gets....why not say it, it bloody obvious

Pretty much agree with this. Considering what happened last year when someone wins again in a similar fashion as last year, and is on the same team, there is going to be suspicion around the win. I hope Sayar's win ends up being clean, but it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't. Kittel is just making that thought public, I blame twitter for that.

Don't think Kittel should be told to shut up either. He deserves the right to speak his mind about a questionable performance just as much as everyone on here does, if not more so.

 

[Pentacycle]

Kittel could of course be right about Sayar, but he's doing nothing to help the sport.

That's what his fans think though, that he's breaking the Omerta.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Thats the beauty of clean cycling. Clean Turkish riders can now have a go at their own Ataturk Tour.

Did he stay under the 6w/k? Then he is clean, believable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yww20gLFzY

PS: the guy has some nice results in his pockets, from the past 2/3 years

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I think that Kittel should be allowed to say whatever he wants to say, but he does seem to be a bit of an A-hole
This was probably one of Sayars biggest days in his life and then one of the "star" riders of the race starts to bash him like this. Not a very nice thing to do no matter what.

 

[The Hitch]

I'm confuses. Does sayar have a doping past?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I'm confuses. Does sayar have a doping past?

nope, Kittel just does not like turks

 

[JimmyFingers]

Well at least Kittel's clean, unless you think he's angry at Sayar for making it so obvious...

Sorry trolling a little

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I did miss the tweets when those South Americans were winning the Tour of Argentina. But, to be fair, those locals weren't 'crushing' Hivert/Sutherland [known doper]/Seeldrayers.

Kittel is a loser. He and all the others that feel ripped of should point at WT races when something is smelly.

 

[Pentacycle]

I did miss the tweets when those South Americans were winning the Tour of Argentina. But, to be fair, those locals weren't 'crushing' Hivert/Sutherland [known doper]/Seeldrayers.

Kittel is a loser. He and all the others that feel ripped of should point at WT races when something is smelly.

What's even worse is that Kittel's making it sound like the whole peloton suddenly agrees with him. I highly doubt that, and nobody there will be surprised if Kittel's gonna 'crash' sooner or later this weekend.

Nothing good will come out of this...

 

[TourOfSardinia]

This is a prime example of why pro cyclists are too stupid to be allowed to use Twitter. On the eve of a rider winning his own home Tour, Kittel drops a turd in the swimming pool. Couldn't he wait a few days?

It would be nice to wake to tomorrow and find Mutafa disqualified - note to self: dream on, yawn.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

The performance was below 5.9 w/kg, so he is staying under the radar imo. Perhaps the team hired a better doctor (Leinders?) or perhaps the guy is clean. Who knows.

Don't mind the peloton questioning riders performances, in fact I think it can help driving things in the right direction short term. Of course calling out Sayar is rather cheap, but hey we gotta start somewhere.

Luigi at the worlds RR next? Now that takes real balls.

 

[Netserk]

It's always great when dopers are called out. But is he a doper? Does Kittel know more than he tells? Or does he just call a no-name out, so that he himself will be seen in a better light?

If I was a rider and publicly called others for dopers, then I would start with those that actually have a link to doping. Like some of the Fuentes and/or Ferrari clients....

 

[martinvickers]

Interesting that Kittel doesn't mention Berhane who won his stage 40" faster than last year's doped winner

Interesting how you think Kittel should complain about who you don't like, as opposed to who HE doesn't like.

Honestly. Some people in her are full of it.

"omerta! Bad Omerta!"...and then a rider actually says something and it's "Bad rider. Bad big mouth Rider! You should only challenge the riders I choose for you to challenge!"

Same as the a***holes who complain, yes complain, when a rider is pinged because he's not the nationality they want.

Full of it.

 

[Netserk]

I think that all what Benotti wants is consistency....

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting how you think Kittel should complain about who you don't like, as opposed to who HE doesn't like.

Honestly. Some people in her are full of it.

"omerta! Bad Omerta!"...and then a rider actually says something and it's "Bad rider. Bad big mouth Rider! You should only challenge the riders I choose for you to challenge!"

Same as the a***holes who complain, yes complain, when a rider is pinged because he's not the nationality they want.

Full of it.

Can you point out where I posted that I dont like Berhane? It was a comparison where last years EPO positve stage winners result was bested by another, which might lead to someone asking a question. If Kittel was going to ask questions of riders, he should be consistent.

I didn't put Kittel down either and say he was wrong to call out Sayar. I pointed out his inconsistency. Also where was Kittel's post about Kreuziger and those named by Bertagnoli?

See my post was about Kittel's lack of concistency. Your post is the opposite.

 

[hrotha]

I think Sayar's performance should be called out as, at the very least, highly suspicious, and I don't think Kittel (and others like Bol and Verona) should have shut up about it. But they should be consistent. A nobody from Turkey is like the easiest target you can think of.

 

[martinvickers]

I think that all what Benotti wants is consistency....

Sorry. Not buying that for a second. You either want riders to be willing to break ranks when they suspect something or you don't.

Yet again, all the moral outrage boils down to picking your favourites. The same posters who make a tool like Ricco out to be a 'victim'.

Well, I like the new phrase at least, "turd in the swimming pool" - the new "spitting in the soup". Completely unbelievable, all the high moral dudgeon about breaking omerta and finding dopers and hating the cheats - but only on the teams I don't like, you understand, not the other 'nice' possible cheats...

In Ireland we have a phrase, that came from the troubles - 'whataboutery' - that tendency of politicians to speak with high moral outrage about every terrorist act...except the ones done by their 'own' side

Every challenge to their hypocrisy gets answered with, "yeah, but what about"... and immediately they 'pick' the victim or the outrage they want to talk about...always one done by the 'other' side...and it becomes quickly clear, they talk only about what suits their wider power agenda...they pick their favourites.

It's a form of low hypocrisy that deserves only contempt. And while cycling doping is not anything like as serious as blowing people up, the basic hypocrisy, picking your favourites while pretending to actually have a moral compass, is clear and unavoidable. And just as deserving of contempt.

EDIT : by the way, that's not personal to you Benotti, you have your moments but you are actually far from the worst offender...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think Sayar's performance should be called out as, at the very least, highly suspicious, and I don't think Kittel (and others like Bol and Verona) should have shut up about it. But they should be consistent. A nobody from Turkey is like the easiest target you can think of.

One of the points to it is that if they're wrong, there's no comeback. If they call out, say, Porte, or some other random guys on a WT or ProConti team who've had some big performances this year, then they've got to ride with those guys all year. They've got to face angry teammates of the accused rider, questions about it in the péloton, breaks being chased down, or the hammer being put down when they're struggling out of spite, being bumped and barged or risking being deliberately crashed out. Calling out Sayar, there's none of that. How many other races will have both Argos-Shimano AND Törku-Sekerspor at them? How many times will Sayar's and Kittel's paths cross this season? Sekerspor are too small to do many Western European .HC or .1 races, and even if they did do them they don't have the strength or status to put themselves about in the péloton if they don't like what Kittel's saying about them.

So yes, they've gone after a soft target, but thinking into it, I can see why he'd be seemingly hypocritical like that.

 

[Benotti69]

Sorry. Not buying that for a second. You either want riders to be willing to break ranks when they suspect something or you don't.

Yet again, all the moral outrage boils down to picking your favourites. The same posters who make a tool like Ricco out to be a 'victim'.

Well, I like the new phrase at least, "turd in the swimming pool" - the new "spitting in the soup". Completely unbelievable, all the high moral dudgeon about breaking omerta and finding dopers and hating the cheats - but only on the teams I don't like, you understand, not the other 'nice' possible cheats...

In Ireland we have a phrase, that came from the troubles - 'whataboutery' - that tendency of politicians to speak with high moral outrage about every terrorist act...except the ones done by their 'own' side

Every challenge to their hypocrisy gets answered with, "yeah, but what about"... and immediately they 'pick' the victim or the outrage they want to talk about...always one done by the 'other' side...and it becomes quickly clear, they talk only about what suits their wider power agenda...they pick their favourites.

It's a form of low hypocrisy that deserves only contempt. And while cycling doping is not anything like as serious as blowing people up, the basic hypocrisy, picking your favourites while pretending to actually have a moral compass, is clear and unavoidable. And just as deserving of contempt.

EDIT : by the way, that's not personal to you Benotti, you have your moments but you are actually far from the worst offender...

You made this post a personal attack. 'moments' ??

 

[martinvickers]

You made this post a personal attack. 'moments' ??

I can make it more personal if you really want me too, Benotti.

Yes, moments, plenty of them. But not the worst offender. If you were, you'd be on ignore.

 

[argyllflyer]

How many times will Sayar's and Kittel's paths cross this season? Sekerspor are too small to do many Western European .HC or .1 races, and even if they did do them they don't have the strength or status to put themselves about in the péloton if they don't like what Kittel's saying about them.

So yes, they've gone after a soft target, but thinking into it, I can see why he'd be seemingly hypocritical like that.

.HC races can only be raced for, in Europe anyway, by Continental teams from the host country.

 

[BYOP88]

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