Kittel Tweet

[Galic Ho]

I can make it more personal if you really want me too, Benotti.

Yes, moments, plenty of them. But not the worst offender. If you were, you'd be on ignore.

The high and mighty road of being so little that you cannot stand being told you are wrong.

But this stuff with Kittel is about one thing only. Consistency. It means little if you attack the weakest kid in the playground. That's just posing. Posing for a group to get them to accept you. Behavioural dynamics in motion. Kimmage understood this. He has always gone for the route of the cause. The core power or the symbol of power. Yet all you're sitting here doing is cheering a guy whose sole media agenda this year has been to put on the "I'm clean badge and wave it loudly." He's paying his omerta dues. I half expect him to upgrade from Argos Shimano next season. The peloton has it's own rules. Those rules are the rules Marcel Kittel plays by. Everything pro cycling does is a show. A charade. One giant magic show.

Like the truth can compete with that. The usual test is time. Time reveals all. If Kittel remains at Argos, then yeah. Probably just peeved this one off time. Or simply lacking the nads to say what he really feels about cycling as a whole. Either way, he's still playing by omerta's rules. Even a clean rider has to play by the cycling rule book. Kittel's actions will show how much he believes in clean cycling. Right now, he reeks of David Millar. No excuses, it's cyclists who have to call out dodgy riders. But they must be CONSISTENT. Pick on all the names. Big, medium and small dopers. Not just the puny little chump doping to make ends meet. That's almost beyond pathetic and gutless. Better to say sweet F#&% all. But then that would remove the symbolism you adore. The camouflaged actions that you deem as 'progress' of a clean peloton.

Good luck with the naivety. Don't be sitting here thinking the naysayers, or whatever term you use, are evil. If we were, you'd be dead (not through our hands, but your own), broke, in a ditch crying or about to be conned for everything you own simply because you really are that gullible and easy to manipulate. You fanboys have no back bone. No moral fibre. The wind blows, you blow with it. There is a sucker born every minute and you were one of them.

 

[BroDeal]

The high and mighty road of being so little that you cannot stand being told you are wrong.

But this stuff with Kittel is about one thing only. Consistency. It means little if you attack the weakest kid in the playground. That's just posing. Posing for a group to get them to accept you. Behavioural dynamics in motion. Kimmage understood this. He has always gone for the route of the cause. The core power or the symbol of power. Yet all you're sitting here doing is cheering a guy whose sole media agenda this year has been to put on the "I'm clean badge and wave it loudly." He's paying his omerta dues. I half expect him to upgrade from Argos Shimano next season. The peloton has it's own rules. Those rules are the rules Marcel Kittel plays by. Everything pro cycling does is a show. A charade. One giant magic show.

Like the truth can compete with that. The usual test is time. Time reveals all. If Kittel remains at Argos, then yeah. Probably just peeved this one off time. Or simply lacking the nads to say what he really feels about cycling as a whole. Either way, he's still playing by omerta's rules. Even a clean rider has to play by the cycling rule book. Kittel's actions will show how much he believes in clean cycling. Right now, he reeks of David Millar. No excuses, it's cyclists who have to call out dodgy riders. But they must be CONSISTENT. Pick on all the names. Big, medium and small dopers. Not just the puny little chump doping to make ends meet. That's almost beyond pathetic and gutless. Better to say sweet F#&% all. But then that would remove the symbolism you adore. The camouflaged actions that you deem as 'progress' of a clean peloton.

Good luck with the naivety. Don't be sitting here thinking the naysayers, or whatever term you use, are evil. If we were, you'd be dead (not through our hands, but your own), broke, in a ditch crying or about to be conned for everything you own simply because you really are that gullible and easy to manipulate. You fanboys have no back bone. No moral fibre. The wind blows, you blow with it. There is a sucker born every minute and you were one of them.

A lot of truth here. Galic's kung fu is strong.

 

[melkemugg]

18 seconds on relatively easy climb on a mediocre COF climber in a weak tour with a weak field is regarded HIGHLY suspicious in here? Maybe i need a pill, but this really did not make me rise an eye. I only got suspicious because you are.

 

[Galic Ho]

A lot of truth here. Galic's kung fu is strong.

I'm prepared to give Kittel the benefit of the doubt this time. But like you said, the wise play if he's what he says he is, was to wait and let things play out. Turning up and crapping on a random Turkish guy half of us couldn't pick out on a bike is pointless. It appears as a play tailored for a different audience, but one that can be used to spruik your own flavour to the less knowledgeable.

I say build a framework where you mention how all doping is bad. You explain the blank spots, the unknowns. A clean rider should go above and beyond to take people out of the dark. Why? Because people really have no clue about doping in sports. When we hear a cyclist explaining the specifics and not half @rsing it, but screaming that "Yeah, doping really does work" and that is why it's bad, then and only then can I safely put a mark of quality on their stance and PR talk about cleanliness.

So ATM with Kittel, twitter is just a tool. There were two audiences. This forum and the general public were not the ones he was speaking to. He's testing the waters so IF he decides to change his path, like certain big winners ATM have done, then the PTB (powers that be) know he's cool and the fans already know he's a legit clean boy. Symbolically Kittel is doing ENOUGH. But is he really doing what is needed? I say no. But I'll give him time. Time is the real test.

 

[xcleigh]

The high and mighty road of being so little that you cannot stand being told you are wrong. Doesn't surprise me this comes from you.

It must be nice to sit at home at night, drinking the Guiness, drunk on trumped up delusions of grandeur and warped moral imperatives. The cowards high is it? That's a sign of you being beaten. Beaten. The truth doesn't need to hide behind an ignore feature. But delusional Irishmen? Yeah ask McQuack about that one.

BTW do get back to us champ when your mob remove McQuack. You still haven't detailed your efforts on that front. That is what your country is famous for. Cowardice and nepotism colluding with frauds to cheat and betray good people. No wonder all the good people immigrated long ago. Kimmage is too good for you lot. You'll just retort with another EXCUSE, just like the boy you borrow all your plays from, McQuack, so don't bother replying. Another lawyers lies and deceit is not what is needed.

I might Kinda agree with you regarding Kittel but no way is it appropriate with the, could I call it, racism? Stereotyping a whole nation and denigrating them as such. Not good. Ever been to Ireland or met an Irishman that lead you towards these views of Ireland??

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He only rode from 3km to go, what's the big deal? And he looked very human the entire time. I've seen Porte and Froome do this same thing from the bottom of the (6km) climb and put the same or more time into actual PT riders.

18 seconds on relatively easy climb on a mediocre COF climber in a weak tour with a weak field is regarded HIGHLY suspicious in here? Maybe i need a pill, but this really did not make me rise an eye. I only got suspicious because you are.

Could not agree more.

 

[JimmyFingers]

The high and mighty road of being so little that you cannot stand being told you are wrong. Doesn't surprise me this comes from you.

It must be nice to sit at home at night, drinking the Guiness, drunk on trumped up delusions of grandeur and warped moral imperatives. The cowards high is it? That's a sign of you being beaten. Beaten. The truth doesn't need to hide behind an ignore feature. But delusional Irishmen? Yeah ask McQuack about that one.

BTW do get back to us champ when your mob remove McQuack. You still haven't detailed your efforts on that front. That is what your country is famous for. Cowardice and nepotism colluding with frauds to cheat and betray good people. No wonder all the good people immigrated long ago. Kimmage is too good for you lot. You'll just retort with another EXCUSE, just like the boy you borrow all your plays from, McQuack, so don't bother replying. Another lawyers lies and deceit is not what is needed.

Appalling racist stereotyping, a new low for Galic, and that's saying something. Shouldn't be tolerated at all. Nothing short of disgusting

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I knew pretty much nothing of Sayar before this week, got to admit. Looking at him on CQ though, he seems like he's been just about the best Turkish talent for a while now, but certainly hard to see much from his palmarès that would indicate something like this would be possible. This result from last month rather jumped out at me as the nearest thing.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

It must be nice to sit at home at night, drinking the Guiness, drunk on trumped up delusions of grandeur and warped moral imperatives. The cowards high is it?
...
That is what your country is famous for. Cowardice and nepotism colluding with frauds to cheat and betray good people. No wonder all the good people immigrated long ago

Did not realise this had place had become an Irish hate forum.

 

[screaming fist]

BTW could anyone give me a translation of -“I look forward to hearing what you will say about Wiggins at the Giro and Froome at the Tour”, in German.

Preferably limited to 140 characters.

Cheers.

Ich bin gespannt, was sie beim Giro über Wiggins und bei der Tour über Froome zu sagen haben. (formal, like "Mr. Kittel,...")

Ich bin gespannt, was du beim Giro über Wiggins und bei der Tour über Froome zu sagen hast. (like "Marcel,...")

(While "freuen" is a correct translation of "looking forward" you wouldn't really use it here. "Gespannt sein" is closer to "being curious" but it's what you'd use in German more likely.)
You'd also say "über Wiggins beim Giro und über Froome bei der Tour" if you want to emphasize the persons more, but to me it sounds a bit more natural the way I have posted it in the first place.

 

[classicomano]

Translated an article on this:

Suspicion in the peleton about Turkish rider Sayar.

The victory of the Turk stirred up controversy in the peleton. Reason: the weird markings on his arm.

The Turk Mustafa Sayar won the 6th stage of the Tour of Turkey in impressive fashion and took the leaders jersey in his own home race. Questions are being raised in the peleton about the credebility of the rider.

Germain sprinter Marcel Kittel said in a tweet: "I was never this angry about someones result before and many with me. We know that there was a previous doping offense on that team, maybe we cant judge him immidiately but the peleton is talking about him and Torku. Yes there is suspicion."

Several days earlier another cyclist pointed out the strange markings on the left arm of Sayar, something wich fueled the suspicions on doping inside the peleton.

Yesterday Sayar put in a devestating attack with 3 kilometers to go. And while his opponents had to switch to a smaller gear Sayar kept pounding on the big ring.

"He rode 2 gears bigger than us" Europcar DS Domnique Arnold said. "And while Natnael was in good shape, we couldnt do anything about the Turk".

It was certainly very impressive, Serge Pauwels said who finished 30 seconds down.

In the overall the Turk has a 41 second advantage on Behane. Sayar's reaction on the doubts by his colleagues: "I have nothing to say to them".

 

[screaming fist]

Very interesting... mind sharing the original source?

 

[classicomano]

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cnt/DMF20130426_00558155

Its Dutch.

 

[screaming fist]

Thanks. Of course I wasn't doubting your translation. It's just always good to know where something is coming from.

 

[Pentacycle]

Strange that it clearly matters if a rider, who has visible injection scars on his arm, wins the race or finishes 78th.

It's illegal to use needles anyway, why weren't riders reporting this earlier? If true, he should be banned even if he comes in dead last.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I've heard doping tests are IQ tests, but markings on your arm seems ridiculously obvious.

 

[Netserk]

It's breaking Omerta when you tell of something you know about. It ain't braking the Omerta to call out a no-name who you don't know jack about.

 

[Miburo]

It's breaking Omerta when you tell of something you know about. It ain't braking the Omerta to call out a no-name who you don't know jack about.

Pretty much yeah.

We all knew that Kittel is a hypocrite. Taking on the weak guys is easy (and yes calling out armstrong is weak, beating a dead horse)

Become finally useful for the cycling sport Kittel and call out sky. Show you really mean it.

Stay a hypocrite (or idiot who fails to notice it) or become this guy you claim to be.

 

[Netserk]

Pretty much yeah.

We all knew that Kittel is a hypocrite. Taking on the weak guys is easy (and yes calling out armstrong is weak, beating a dead horse)

Become finally useful for the cycling sport Kittel and call out sky. Show you really mean it.

Stay a hypocrite (or idiot who fails to notice it) or become this guy you claim to be.

That was not what *I* meant. Only if he has some intell on them.

Or riders with obvious links to doping.

Neither seems to be the case with Sayar...

 

[Miburo]

That was not what *I* meant. Only if he has some intell on them.

Or riders with obvious links to doping.

Neither seems to be the case with Sayar...

Sky had links with Leinders, isn't that enough? Many more arguments but this is not the thread to talk about it.

Anyway Kittel is an embarrassment for cycling. Cav climbs better than him . He claims he wants clean cycling while having a treatment (forgot what it was exactly) which is at least to be considered as suspicious.

And he calls out people who can't even defend themself properly.

Hypocrocy at it's best.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

We know that there was a previous doping offense on that team, maybe we cant judge him immidiately but the peleton is talking about him and Torku. Yes there is suspicion.

I do wonder how much he has to say about Pipo Pozzato in his next tweet.

If he wants to be a crusader, please, do it consistent.

"He rode 2 gears bigger than us" Europcar DS Domnique Arnold said. "And while Natnael was in good shape, we couldnt do anything about the Turk"

The new African hope got outclimbed by mountaingoat Marc de Maar and climbed side by side with known doper Sutherland who rides for a known doping team.

Show us a picture of the underarm, this one is inconclusive:

Should be fun in the peloton today,

 

[roundabout]

Who is going to call out Sayar anayway? The 2.2 races population that he rides against most of the time?

 

[TANK91]

My statement is not specifically about Sky. It is about the double standard, which looks a bit racist, of complaining about a Turk winning while the European races are filled with riders who are just as suspicious.

It is enlightening that your reaction to Sayar is the same reaction others have to Froome.

You are truly ridiculous probably a fan of a convicted doper (Conatador?), yet keep blabbing on about Sky, yet to fail a test my friend. Im pretty sure it would of come out by now if it was fishy the sacked directors would have nothing to lose surely someone would no?. Its so funny though because everyone says stuff like come on Contador give it to the Skyborgs etc, oh the irony

 

[LaFlorecita]

You are truly ridiculous probably a fan of a convicted doper (Conatador?), yet keep blabbing on about Sky, yet to fail a test my friend. Im pretty sure it would of come out by now if it was fishy the sacked directors would have nothing to lose surely someone would no?. Its so funny though because everyone says stuff like come on Contador give it to the Skyborgs etc, oh the irony

Wtf I thought this thread was about Kittel tweet/Sayar and not about BroDeal/Alberto/Skyborgs

 

[tweak37]

So Torku, a team that actually had a positive case last year and that is looked at with suspicion by the whole peloton, including journalists ("Terrible for the Tour of Turkey that this guy won today. None of us felt like commenting the last ten minutes, it was so obvious.") should not be accused, but Sky which the clinic in all its wisdom has decided is dirty, should? How's that for hypocrisy?