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stephens said:I think I would prefer a world in which the winners would be those who prepared the best and were smartest in their training and racing tactics, and not those that were simply born with the biggest natural advantage. So I think I'd be tempted to support any sort of regulation scheme that allowed athletes to "fix", in a safe manner, any natural deficiencies they may have (anemia, asthma, whatever) to bring them up to at least a normal range and then let training and intelligence and guts take over from there to decide the winners.
stephens said:I think I would prefer a world in which the winners would be those who prepared the best and were smartest in their training and racing tactics, and not those that were simply born with the biggest natural advantage. So I think I'd be tempted to support any sort of regulation scheme that allowed athletes to "fix", in a safe manner, any natural deficiencies they may have (anemia, asthma, whatever) to bring them up to at least a normal range and then let training and intelligence and guts take over from there to decide the winners.
Thoughtforfood said:Allowing people to "fix" things would result in people born into more favorable means dominating sport, leaving those who were not born fortunate enough (yet have more natural talent) excluded from the ability to compete. You might have an exception or two, but what you propose is the development of a super race, genetically superior predicated on their financial means. Ayn Rand would completely agree with your world, I don't. It is a sick, demented mindset that will only result in greater inequity. Then again, that is precisely what you want.
boalio said:So you disagree with insulin for diabetics and ventolin for asthmatics?
Just asking.
Mellow Velo said:....
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BroDeal said:Kohl acknowledges that all the top riders in the Tour were doping and he was just the unlucky ******* who got caught.
Escarabajo said:What about the CERA? no CERA during the tour. I guess the marker stays for a long time if he did it before the tour.
I am not sure if agree with Kohl that the other guys were on CERA. It looks like the other riders were on "Blood Doping" and that's why they were not caught. I don't think is a Vendetta. Probably the older riders know how to dope better.
Brodeal: I know about the use of insulin in the past (Pantani, Jakche's confession) but what is the risk implication for it and why they use it??
Bala Verde said:Could it be that, because he was a relatively new kid on the block, it was easier for the UCI to oust him?
An image is evoked of a young rookie who shoots for instant fame and glory, and wham, he 'starts' using perfromance enancers, therewith reinforcing the 'few bad apples' myth. (See Ricco as well). The other story that gets hold of the masses is the old, about to retire cyclist who has nothing to lose and wants to shine bright in his last year of competition (Piepoli)...
Tdf 2008
1. SASTRE Carlos 11 TEAM CSC SAXO BANK 87h 52' 52"
2. EVANS Cadel 1 SILENCE - LOTTO 87h 53' 50" + 00' 58"
3. KOHL Bernhard 115 GEROLSTEINER 87h 54' 05" + 01' 13"
4. MENCHOV Denis 131 RABOBANK 87h 55' 02" + 02' 10"
5. VANDEVELDE Christian 191 GARMIN CHIPOTLE 87h 55' 57" + 03' 05"
6. SCHLECK Frank 17 TEAM CSC SAXO BANK 87h 57' 20" + 04' 28"
7. SANCHEZ Samuel 27 EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 87h 59' 17" + 06' 25"
8. KIRCHEN Kim 41 TEAM COLUMBIA 87h 59' 47" + 06' 55"
9. VALVERDE Alejandro 31 CAISSE D’EPARGNE 88h 00' 04" + 07' 12"
10. VALJAVEC Tadej 109 AG2R-LA MONDIALE 88h 01' 57" + 09' 05"
11. EFIMKIN Vladimir 104 AG2R-LA MONDIALE 88h 02' 47" + 09' 55"
12. SCHLECK Andy 16 TEAM CSC SAXO BANK 88h 04' 24" + 11' 32"
13. KREUZIGER Roman 65 LIQUIGAS 88h 05' 51" + 12' 59"
14. CASAR Sandy 161 FRANCAISE DES JEUX 88h 12' 15" + 19' 23"
15. MOINARD Amaël 187 COFIDIS CREDIT PAR TELEPHONE 88h 16' 23" + 23' 31"
Escarabajo said:Brodeal: I know about the use of insulin in the past (Pantani, Jakche's confession) but what is the risk implication for it and why they use it??
BikeCentric said:The reason they use insulin is to directly load glycogen into their muscles to aid recovery after hard training or during a stage race; there is no test available that can detect insulin doping. Here is a VeloNews article on insulin doping:
http://velonews.com/article/3657
Thanks for the feedback.BikeCentric said:The reason they use insulin is to directly load glycogen into their muscles to aid recovery after hard training or during a stage race; there is no test available that can detect insulin doping. Here is a VeloNews article on insulin doping:
http://velonews.com/article/3657
Escarabajo said:Now the French Rider Association wants to sue Kohl for the statement about the top ten in the Tour all doped. Now, were there any french riders in the top ten?
whiteboytrash said:Some good news out of this mess. Bordry from the AFLD is meeting with Kohl to discuss rider who could be doping and how they would so it at Tour.