Kreuziger going down?

[Walkman]

I don't know what I think. I just heard the story myself. I would need a lot more questions answered before I really knew what to think. The abnormalities were from 2011 and 2012 - why did Roman not know of these till June '13? When he gave his "expert medical" reason, why did it take the UCI 7 months to get back to him. Why know? Why right before the Tour? He has raced since May. And who can really answer these questions? The UCI?...I wouldn't trust a word they say.

Yeah, I agree, there are many questions that still needs to be answered.

Although I have a hard time seeing Froome and SKY orchestrating this whole thing. If they had that power, why not indict Contador instead of Kreuziger? Or have the UCI call Contador to dial it down as they did to Iban Mayo?

 

[burning]

He certainly rode like it. In 2013 he seemed to be back up to his old tricks.

He was definitely underperforming at Astana but I don't think that it is related to being clean, there could be a lot of reasons apart from doping.

 

[JV1973]

Different teams, different PR strategies. In neither case was it the UCI making it public.

Hrotha! You actually know/understand the process! Refreshing change!

excellent stuff

 

[burning]

Yeah, I agree, there are many questions that still needs to be answered.

Although I have a hard time seeing Froome and SKY orchestrating this whole thing. If they had that power, why not indict Contador instead of Kreuziger? Or have the UCI call Contador to dial it down as they did to Iban Mayo?

Contador is much more bigger than Mayo and I'm pretty sure that Froome wants to beat Contador in the race, not DQ'ing him.

 

[del1962]

Different teams, different PR strategies. In neither case was it the UCI making it public.

We are not sure where the JTL leak came from, perhaps from Pat himself, we aslo know some source in the UCI leaked information about another Anglos TUE.

 

[Forunculo]

Yeah, I agree, there are many questions that still needs to be answered.

Although I have a hard time seeing Froome and SKY orchestrating this whole thing. If they had that power, why not indict Contador instead of Kreuziger? Or have the UCI call Contador to dial it down as they did to Iban Mayo?

Contador and Quintana are the only ones capables to defeat SKY. Business are bussiness

 

[King Boonen]

When I clicked this thread I did not expect it to be about Sky.

 

[the sceptic]

You guys really need to investigate this Commonwealth indemnification thing more closely. I think there's something to it. Clearly, because none of your above mentioned profiles raised any flags.

Maybe the Queen is involved? Pippa Middleton likes riding bikes: connect the dots from there.

What do you think of these high profile doping cases lately? and the Froome TUE?

Seems hard to believe cycling is any different now than in the past.

 

[BYOP88]

JV, I thought everyone stopped doping in '06 because it wasn't cool to do drugs anymore?

 

[JV1973]

We are not sure where the JTL leak came from, perhaps from Pat himself, we aslo know some source in the UCI leaked information about another Anglos TUE.

And in that case, the UCI has its very own Edward Snowden. Very true. Whether their intentions were good or not, who knows?

 

[Netserk]

No surprise at all (both the doping and getting caught at some point), but the timeline is seriously off. Why does the rider get so short notice compared to the UCI? Also not surprising that he gets busted for his Astana time... Will probably be the same some point in the future for Nibali

 

[The Hitch]

So an eastern european rider gets a year of confidentiallity while a Anglo gets his name blemished before he gets the chance to explain himself

You think the Czech Republic is Eastern Europe

 

[BYOP88]

You think the Czech Republic is Eastern Europe

Anything east of the tunnel is, isn't it?

 

[hrotha]

Why are you guys asking JV about Froome's TUE instead of about the real story: Froome's fuzzy rabbit kidnappings and unholy sacrifices.

Hrotha! You actually know/understand the process! Refreshing change!

excellent stuff

Less forum praise, more Twitter unblocking.

 

[Walkman]

Contador is much more bigger than Mayo and I'm pretty sure that Froome wants to beat Contador in the race, not DQ'ing him.

So you mean to tell me that Froome is so scared of Contador so he gets the UCI to indict Kreuziger in order to weaken Contador? Makes no sense seeing as Contador himself won't be any weaker unless you figure he would be so scared of getting caught so he dials down his program?

Either way, this is not certain by any means, Contador can just as easily go on with his own program seeing as he now knows they won't go after him and just hide in the peloton and attack when the road goes upwards.

I know SKY are somewhat tactically inept but if SKY had the all power you seems to suggest that they do, this plan sucks!

 

[Netserk]

Anything east of the tunnel is, isn't it?

All ex-USSR = eastern Europe

 

[BYOP88]

Why are you guys asking JV about Froome's TUE instead of about the real story: Froome's fuzzy rabbit kidnappings and unholy sacrifices.

Less forum praise, more Twitter unblocking.

JV doesn't block people on twitter.

 

[thehog]

And in that case, the UCI has its very own Edward Snowden. Very true. Whether their intentions were good or not, who knows?

Look forward to the release or blood profile of Froome and the "how to calibrate" e blood spinner documents.

Good times at the UCI independent doping arm! Sounds like a cack!

 

[The Sheep]

What does this mean for the MPCC, Astana are in that right.

 

[del1962]

You think the Czech Republic is Eastern Europe

I used to know this Pole who got upset when Poland was described as Eastern Europe

 

[burning]

So you mean to tell me that Froome is so scared of Contador so he gets the UCI to indict Kreuziger in order to weaken Contador? Makes no sense seeing as Contador himself won't be any weaker unless you figure he would be so scared of getting caught so he dials down his program?

Either way, this is not certain by any means, Contador can just as easily go on with his own program seeing as he now knows they won't go after him and just hide in the peloton and attack when the road goes upwards.

If this is his intention, I think that he would go that route instead of shutting Contador out but I really doubt that Sky and Froome planned this whole stuff.

 

[JV1973]

JV, I thought everyone stopped doping in '06 because it wasn't cool to do drugs anymore?

For a a large number of guys it stopped after 1998 - and they were angry about all the guys who kept doing it until 2001 when the EPO test came out, and then there were another group of guys who stopped, who then became angry about those who found a way around the old EPO test...then another large group stopped in the 2005-2006 range, as the homologous transfusion test came out and puerto broke - and those guys then became really angry about those guys who tried to keep doping. Then when the passport came out, another group stopped.... and on it goes.

you could call each and every group that once doped and then stopped, hypocrites for being angry about the guys who kept doping. but, in the end, that's how progress is made, not some massive watershed event. takes a while to unravel 100 years of culture.

please, don't oversimplify my thoughts or opinions.

 

[Benotti69]

You guys really need to investigate this Commonwealth indemnification thing more closely. I think there's something to it. Clearly, because none of your above mentioned profiles raised any flags.

Maybe the Queen is involved? Pippa Middleton likes riding bikes: connect the dots from there.

why would it raise flags? The BP is so wide when the UCI wants it to be and as narrow as they want!

That it didn't raise flags is not what you were saying before. You blamed the machine.

Clean cycling it sure aint JV. You been selling the sport as 85% clean in 2008 and cleanER since then and that is BS. UCI aint interested in policing doping, just interested in avoiding it a best or using it against teams at worst!

Most fans with half a brain know that the sport did not clean itself up, it just got better with orgainising its programs.

Take Wiggins from grupetto to TdF podium, yeah right. Froome worse than Wiggins to GT Podiums!!! We aint stoopid.

And F##king Millar sh!tting on Floyd while calling Contador clean!

How does Dan Martin beat dopers like Valv or JRod to win a monument FFS!

Hesjedal winning a GT clean. Not possible.

 

[thehog]

For a a large number of guys it stopped after 1998 - and they were angry about all the guys who kept doing it until 2001 when the EPO test came out, and then there were another group of guys who stopped, who then became angry about those who found a way around the old EPO test...then another large group stopped in the 2005-2006 range, as the homologous transfusion test came out and puerto broke - and those guys then became really angry about those guys who tried to keep doping. Then when the passport came out, another group stopped.... and on it goes.

you could call each and every group that once doped and then stopped, hypocrites for being angry about the guys who kept doping. but, in the end, that's how progress is made, not some massive watershed event. takes a while to unravel 100 years of culture.

please, don't oversimplify my thoughts or opinions.

Sounds like they stopped doping and moved their drugs to legal TUEs in races and non-testing during training, yes?

 

[JV1973]

Look forward to the release or blood profile of Froome and the "how to calibrate" e blood spinner documents.

Good times at the UCI independent doping arm! Sounds like a cack!

Some improvements need to be made. Its imperfect, by a long way. Good news is, they are somewhat open to hearing that (or at least trying to be), which is a change for the better.

It's less conspiracy and more stupidity than you might want to believe.