Lance appearing on Oprah next week

[Bosco10]

No doubt mountainrman wil ascribe that leaking fully to Travis Tygart and his dastardly USADA.

He's that dang kangaroo of that dang kangaroo court.. that dang Travis dangnabit...

 

[thirteen]

just in case you don't get the broadcasting available there
http://www.cyclingfans.com/oprahs-lance-armstrong-interview-live

cheers!

i'm just really hoping *not* to have to stay up until 3:00 am to watch it... then again, twitter should be fun

 

[Benotti69]

Not gonna watch this crap live. Wonderboy has manipulated Oprah before today and sure as there are steers and queers in Texas he has doen it again to his personal agenda.

Wonder when Oprah will learn?

She is a total slave to celebrity!

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

For Dutch viewers:
http://www.tlc.nl/
http://www.tlc.nl/tv-shows/lance-armstrong

Pfff, 3 o clock. Friday will be a bad day at work. Maybe it will be the rerun in the evening.

 

[thehog]

Straws? Water?

 

[silverrocket]

Sio don't you guys want to hear the truth about UCI those years?
And if so what are you willing to concede to LA to get that information?

8 years is a lifetime ban by a different name. Not a concession.
It takes two to tango.

I agree with you. A lot of people will remain very, very resistant to the idea of LA getting any sort of leniency, but this sort of thing goes on in criminal courts all the time.

Using Columbian cocaine cartels as an analogy, it seems so repugnant to cut a deal with a major drug dealer, but this is often the only way to take down the entire cartel.

Though I suppose the other way to bring down cartels is to simply kill all the high-ranking members, but...

 

[mewmewmew13]

cheers!

i'm just really hoping *not* to have to stay up until 3:00 am to watch it... then again, twitter should be fun

Yes! Officially declared an international party night!
Please come

 

[mewmewmew13]

straws? Water?

lol!!

 

[hrotha]

Not gonna watch this crap live. Wonderboy has manipulated Oprah before today and sure as there are steers and queers in Texas he has doen it again to his personal agenda.

Wonder when Oprah will learn?

She is a total slave to celebrity!

She says she's done her homework, and if you saw her on CBS I think it was fairly obvious she thought she had avoided falling into his traps. She said she wouldn't characterize, but she had no problem characterizing him as "thoughtful", "serious", "prepared for the moment", just not as "contrite". I think it's unfair to assume she won't have done a decent job just because it's Oprah. We'll see.

 

[mountainrman]

No doubt mountainrman wil ascribe that leaking fully to Travis Tygart and his dastardly USADA.

No so.

I simply do not subscribe to the clinics childlike view of angels who can do no wrong, and devils who can do no right. Real people are all shades in between.
Hamilton did not flip from devil to angel when he wrote a book, nor did Landis when he wrote an email. Most people are self serving and generally intent on self promoting and feathering their own nests at the expense of everyone else as are most in this fiasco.


The clinic has a childlike way of assuming because I criticise Tygart I must be on the side of Armstrong. Not so. I am far more critical of Armstrong. Taking "sides" is only for schoolkids or football hooligans. I am neither. I am nobodies side, and my loyalty cannot be bought or bullied

Not Tyler Hamilton. Not Pat Mcquaids and Certainly not Lance Armstrong.

Nor am I on the side of Kimmage for example who in calling Lance "cancer" had a total disregard and disrespect for those who have or have had that dreadful disease - and that kind of journalism in my view actually set back discovering the truth, although I contributed to his fund, since free speech is one of our most valuable rights.

What am I?

I am on the side of justice applied equitably without fear or favour, whether or not you "like" the rider, and mainly attacking, entertaining, and most of all clean cycling, so I am on the side of Nicole Cooke for example..

But that Includes Travis Tygart. I am not on his "side" either.
Just because he is on the side of cycling justice does not mean he plays a flawless hand or at times even an honest one- and at times it is crass. Letting Hincapie ride the TdF when already busted? That is not the action of someone who purports to care about clean cycling. You guys seem to think he can do no wrong. I think he is human.

Armstrong is more complex than the self serving demon he is made out to be.
Read Millars book - he actually reached out to millars friends and associates when busted for doping trying to persuade those around him , that he was in danger of a downward spiral and they needed to act. Even he has compassionate moments.

On the specific issue you mention.

As an ex serial employer of many people multiple companies - I have already condemned the probable employees seemingly on all sides breeching confidences knowingly in violation of their contracts by not disclosing their names as unattributed sources. These people are clearly prejudicing sensitive negotiations and all should be sacked without hesitation or remuneration..

If you look at the pattern of breeches it is not reflecting well on any party in this, the leaks are as damaging to Tygart as they are to Armstrong. So it is not a creative PR leak campaign in my view.
Although it gets up my nose when Tygart says one thing in public - another in private - I am sure Armstong does the same.

It is in my view employees and associates bending to the horrible tactics of journalistic pressure have led to the leaks. Not a PR stunt.

So now you know where I stand.

I see a lot of B/S coming from all concerned, and that includes Travis Tygart.

 

[deValtos]

Will there be a video of this for people who can't watch it live ? Thanks.

 

[Benotti69]

<another long post where my intention is to stress that i am on the fence but strongly crticise Tygart>

No one is buying it.

The last port of call, as of today because the One Balled Wonder has admittd to doping, is to attack Tygart as he will not rescind the ban so OBW can dope and win real competitions.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

No so.

I simply do not subscribe to the clinics childlike view of angels who can do no wrong, and devils who can do no right. Real people are all shades in between.
Hamilton did not flip from devil to angel when he wrote a book, nor did Landis when he wrote an email. Most people are self serving and generally intent on self promoting and feathering their own nests at the expense of everyone else as are most in this fiasco.


The clinic has a childlike way of assuming because I criticise Tygart I must be on the side of Armstrong. Not so. I am far more critical of Armstrong. Taking "sides" is only for schoolkids or football hooligans. I am neither. I am nobodies side, and my loyalty cannot be bought or bullied

Not Tyler Hamilton. Not Pat Mcquaids and Certainly not Lance Armstrong.

Nor am I on the side of Kimmage for example who in calling Lance "cancer" had a total disregard and disrespect for those who have or have had that dreadful disease - and that kind of journalism in my view actually set back discovering the truth, although I contributed to his fund, since free speech is one of our most valuable rights.

What am I?

I am on the side of justice applied equitably without fear or favour, whether or not you "like" the rider, and mainly attacking, entertaining, and most of all clean cycling, so I am on the side of Nicole Cooke for example..

But that Includes Travis Tygart. I am not on his "side" either.
Just because he is on the side of cycling justice does not mean he plays a flawless hand or at times even an honest one- and at times it is crass. Letting Hincapie ride the TdF when already busted? That is not the action of someone who purports to care about clean cycling. You guys seem to think he can do no wrong. I think he is human.

On the specific issue you mention.

As an ex serial employer of many people multiple companies - I have already condemned the probable employees seemingly on all sides breeching confidences knowingly in violation of their contracts by not disclosing their names as unattributed sources. These people are clearly prejudicing sensitive negotiations and all should be sacked without hesitation or remuneration..

If you look at the pattern of breeches it is not reflecting well on any party in this, the leaks are as damaging to Tygart as they are to Armstrong. So it is not a creative PR leak campaign in my view.
Although it gets up my nose when Tygart says one thing in public - another in private - I am sure Armstong does the same.

It is in my view employees and associates bending to the horrible tactics of journalistic pressure have led to the leaks. Not a PR stunt.

So now you know where I stand.

I see a lot of B/S coming from all concerned, and that includes Travis Tygart.

I'll give you this BPC, your trolling is getting sharper.

Now, please point to the time when you ascribed positive traits to Tygart.

 

[PosterBill]

No so.

I simply do not subscribe to the clinics childlike view of angels who can do no wrong, and devils who can do no right. Real people are all shades in between.
Hamilton did not flip from devil to angel when he wrote a book, nor did Landis when he wrote an email. Most people are self serving and generally intent on self promoting and feathering their own nests at the expense of everyone else as are most in this fiasco.


The clinic has a childlike way of assuming because I criticise Tygart I must be on the side of Armstrong. Not so. I am far more critical of Armstrong. Taking "sides" is only for schoolkids or football hooligans. I am neither. I am nobodies side, and my loyalty cannot be bought or bullied

Not Tyler Hamilton. Not Pat Mcquaids and Certainly not Lance Armstrong.

Nor am I on the side of Kimmage for example who in calling Lance "cancer" had a total disregard and disrespect for those who have or have had that dreadful disease - and that kind of journalism in my view actually set back discovering the truth, although I contributed to his fund, since free speech is one of our most valuable rights.

What am I?

I am on the side of justice applied equitably without fear or favour, whether or not you "like" the rider, and mainly attacking, entertaining, and most of all clean cycling, so I am on the side of Nicole Cooke for example..

But that Includes Travis Tygart. I am not on his "side" either.
Just because he is on the side of cycling justice does not mean he plays a flawless hand or at times even an honest one- and at times it is crass. Letting Hincapie ride the TdF when already busted? That is not the action of someone who purports to care about clean cycling. You guys seem to think he can do no wrong. I think he is human.

Armstrong is more complex than the self serving demon he is made out to be.
Read Millars book - he actually reached out to millars friends and associates when busted for doping trying to persuade those around him , that he was in danger of a downward spiral and they needed to act. Even he has compassionate moments.

On the specific issue you mention.

As an ex serial employer of many people multiple companies - I have already condemned the probable employees seemingly on all sides breeching confidences knowingly in violation of their contracts by not disclosing their names as unattributed sources. These people are clearly prejudicing sensitive negotiations and all should be sacked without hesitation or remuneration..

If you look at the pattern of breeches it is not reflecting well on any party in this, the leaks are as damaging to Tygart as they are to Armstrong. So it is not a creative PR leak campaign in my view.
Although it gets up my nose when Tygart says one thing in public - another in private - I am sure Armstong does the same.

It is in my view employees and associates bending to the horrible tactics of journalistic pressure have led to the leaks. Not a PR stunt.

So now you know where I stand.

I see a lot of B/S coming from all concerned, and that includes Travis Tygart.

Very thought invoking write...I agree with a lot of what you say but Tygart has been the most consistent figure in all of this mess. He's played the game nearly perfect and he's come out looking like the don of this story. No he's not perfect but he's made the majority of the right moves in a hazy battlefield. He's giving a lot of people just enough rope to hang themselves and I think the best is yet to come via Mcqauid and company

 

[D-Queued]

It was disgraceful that Travis allowed lifetime doper and lietenant Hincapie to lead the peloton onto the Champs Elysees, knowing he was busted - which incidentally is in breech of agreements with ASO who ask for riders to be withdrawn who are suspected as Hincapie clearly was at the time - he had already withdrawan from the olympics. Nicole Cooke I gather is very unimpressed about what allowing him to ride says to clean riders.

And as for Travis the reports from those present at Denver seem to say Lance came ready to do a deal to agree to dish dirt in exchange for reduction of ban , and Travis refused to deal except at 8 years - no practical difference from a lifetime ban. So Travis already has questions to answer - not least he was saying to the press "not too late to confess" and the opposite behind closed doors.

Hincapie is the big problem here?

We have Lance confessing, or trying to, or not. And, the best you can do is that the big problem was Hincapie on the Champs Elysees?

Or, that it was Travis' fault that Lance doped his way to purgatory?

You cannot even make an analogy where Hincapie is a grain of sand compared to the Mt Everest of Lance's sin.

That statement is a joke.

Actually, scratch that.

You should be concerned that you are turning yourself into a complete joke when you make assertions like that.

Even the other paid interns / fanboys should be embarrassed.

Dave.

 

[jam pants]

I see a lot of B/S coming from all concerned, and that includes Travis Tygart.

At least you're self-aware.

Look, the fact that you took such great pains to characterize yourself as independent nearly admits that you're not. We've seen your type (or, you specifically) before.

 

[thirteen]

Yes! Officially declared an international party night!
Please come

i just might have to!

 

[Benotti69]

Juliet Macur has talked to 2 people who were there. She is gonna be on newstalk.ie 'off the ball' programme tonight. 7pm - 9pm.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

She says she's done her homework, and if you saw her on CBS I think it was fairly obvious she thought she had avoided falling into his traps. She said she wouldn't characterize, but she had no problem characterizing him as "thoughtful", "serious", "prepared for the moment", just not as "contrite". I think it's unfair to assume she won't have done a decent job just because it's Oprah. We'll see.

Agree. I got the clear impression that she was surprised, but pleasantly, because of how forthcoming he was. There was no need to refer to the information that she had prepared (she says she read LA Confidential as well as the Reasoned Decision and other sources - no mention of the The Clinic, alas) because he was not evasive. We'll see.

 

[python]

i am probably a member of a small minority, who wont watch the oprah show...

no, not for lack of time but for lack of plain interest. i've had more than enough of my share watching the pro cycling circus around the fraudster trying to manipulate it during the years i had little choice.

no, not going to waste my time when i DO have a choice !

as to anything 'earth-shattering' he might say, if it really matters, i am sure, such thoughtful commentators like bonnie ford will not pass it over. her i WILL read and, as always, slooowly.

to me, armstrong's downfall (which i longed and contributed to for years) is the end of his era, his image, his sight, his lies... his everything.

 

[mewmewmew13]

i just might have to!

Oh crap! Now it's stretched into TWO nights.
I can't do that....

 

[WinterRider]

I think they should re-dub and re-shoot the scene from Dodgeball. Instead of telling Peter Le Fevre that he didn't quit, he should point out that if the opposition are highly honed athletes the simple way to be competitive is to dope yourself to the gills. Next shot Lefevre being injected by Armstrong befoer going on to win the Vegas Dodgeball final.

Actually maybe they could combine Dodgeball with Oprah and give Floyd, Tyler etc wrenches...

I would pay money to see that movie again with just this change. Totally worth it

 

[Cobblestoned]

Yes! Officially declared an international party night!
Please come

I'll be there too. But outside from the club. My main focus won't be on watching Lance @Oprah, but more on watching the Fab12 having party.
Some sick and strange level of entertainment, I know.
Like watching them when the man himself had been sliding along the curbside at 30 mph, or him bleeding out of a deep cut....

Anyway, we'll all have our own kind of entertainment and confirmation.

While you watch the crash on the roadside, please have an eye for the people that are trying to help.

 

[WinterRider]

I don't believe it is to be edited too much...the big O. said she wanted to run the entire two and a half hours so will be two nights now...one thing that surprised me is to prepare for the interview she read 7 deadly sins and Walsh's LA Confidential...find that abit hard to believe but was surprised to even hear those mentioned...guess maybe an intern or assistant gave her a synopsis or something...hard to tell how this will go...she said this morning she was very surprised at how he responded, that he came prepared...

my gut feeling from the start has been the admission will be entirely clothed in cancer talk...he felt he had to do it for all the cancer people ect...all of his real success has always come from over exploiting the cancer stuff so my bet is he will go hard on that...yes, he did some things he wasn't proud of but it was all in the name of all those sufferers...

Not hard to believe that she read all that. She is reputedly a voracious reader and would have no trouble whipping through all the material (with recall).

 

[Jeremiah]

No one is buying it.

The last port of call, as of today because the One Balled Wonder has admittd to doping, is to attack Tygart as he will not rescind the ban so OBW can dope and win real competitions.

I'll give you this BPC, your trolling is getting sharper.

Now, please point to the time when you ascribed positive traits to Tygart.

At least you're self-aware.

Look, the fact that you took such great pains to characterize yourself as independent nearly admits that you're not. We've seen your type (or, you specifically) before.

Hincapie is the big problem here?

We have Lance confessing, or trying to, or not. And, the best you can do is that the big problem was Hincapie on the Champs Elysees?

Or, that it was Travis' fault that Lance doped his way to purgatory?

You cannot even make an analogy where Hincapie is a grain of sand compared to the Mt Everest of Lance's sin.

That statement is a joke.

Actually, scratch that.

You should be concerned that you are turning yourself into a complete joke when you make assertions like that.

Even the other paid interns / fanboys should be embarrassed.

Dave.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of dealing with nonsense.

The relentlessness of these types of people is amazing though.

I thought that those who live in the mountain wilderness gravitate towards being straight up. Apparently not.