Lance Armstrong's blood values from the Tour de France looks suspicious and indicate

[afpm90]

That is an unfortunate statement, since we've just heard about a blood expert from Denmark who says blood doping could be one of several reasons, which could easily be natural. How is it you know better than this blood expert?

Can you give us other reason fot the increase in htc?

 

[Anonymous]

That is an unfortunate statement, since we've just heard about a blood expert from Denmark who says blood doping could be one of several reasons, which could easily be natural. How is it you know better than this blood expert?

No, you didn't read what the expert said. He said it would take a bad case of the runs or something else that would cause extreme dehydration. Problem here is that the extreme dehydration would also have GREATLY reduced The Uniballer's performance, and we know that didn't happen. Ergo, Armstrong blood doped in the Tour.

 

[Anonymous]

Can you give us other reason fot the increase in htc?

No, he can't. He isn't that smart.

 

[HL2037]

No comprendo.

"11. aug 2009 kl. 09:20
Eksperter: Wiggins ser ren ud
Bradley Wiggins har offentliggjort sine blodprofiler for at slippe af med mistanke om doping, og han ser faktisk ret normal ud, mener danske forskere. ... "

My translation of beginning of article:

"Experts: Wiggins looks clean
Bradley Wiggins has made his blood values public in order to end doping suspicion, and he actually looks pretty normal, danish scientists says"

The scientist are Peter Rasmussen and Jakob Mørkeberg, the latter also known as "James Dark Mountain" to google translate

 

[Anonymous]

True - I am guilty of the same thing. I only looked at the hematocrit and not the OFF score. Woops. OK, then to change tack, there is no way any GT rider's hematocrit would increase during the race without supplementation. There are papers documenting progressive decreases in hematocrit over the period of a GT, presumably because of bone marrow suppression resulting from prolonged intense racing stresses. These decreases result in the cyclist being borderline clinically anemic by the end of the GT.

BPS, I will translate this for you since you CLEARLY are not intelligent enough to understand it. Lance transfused his own blood twice during the Tour this year. Now break your cover story and admit that you are just trolling here and really are a Lance "hater" because nobody could be THAT stupid.

 

[Race Radio]

Slower fluid intake. That would make sense on a rest day. A bowel issue. He did not say these things had to be "extreme". That's just two he named.

It's unclear whether this individual blood guy knows about the ToF, the rest days and what legit lengths they go to recover. He was probably given the scores and told to look for any possible anominally. There are these types of things in nearly every profile. I'm sure somebody else would have looked at it by now, before this young man did, and raised concerned and rumours.

It's a non-issue that I guarrentee will not have legs. It's just some young guy in a blood lab in a country that doesn't have many important news stories to cover. Someone even pointed the finger at Wiggins' profile a few weeks back, yet it was praised by those in the business.

So you are saying it is because he had the $hits? Is that also how he was so much stronger in the last week? Dehydration is not a performance enhancer.

As much as you try to diminish the Doctor it is clear he knows more about the issue then you do.

 

[HL2037]

It's just some young guy in a blood lab in a country that doesn't have many important news stories to cover. Someone even pointed the finger at Wiggins' profile a few weeks back, yet it was praised by those in the business.

Don't you get, that the young guy in the blood lab is the same one that praised Wiggins' blood profile?

 

[Anonymous]

Slower fluid intake. That would make sense on a rest day. A bowel issue. He did not say these things had to be "extreme". That's just two he named.

It's unclear whether this individual blood guy knows about the ToF, the rest days and what legit lengths they go to recover. He was probably given the scores and told to look for any possible anominally. There are these types of things in nearly every profile. I'm sure somebody else would have looked at it by now, before this young man did, and raised concerned and rumours.

It's a non-issue that I guarrentee will not have legs. It's just some young guy in a blood lab in a country that doesn't have many important news stories to cover. Someone even pointed the finger at Wiggins' profile a few weeks back, yet it was praised by those in the business.

But its clear that you don't. See, you and your ilk claim that The Uniballer is the best prepared cyclist to ever ride the Tour de France and for you to know suggest that he would allow something like not hydrating on a rest day to jeopardize his chances in the Tour would counter your whole claim for non doping. Sucks I know, but swallow the truth and ask for more. People will start to think you are smart.

 

[Anonymous]

I doubt he would have been dehydrated on the rest day, but it's safe to assume his intake of fluids dropped dramatically from the previous day given he was not involved in a long stage. This may well have had an effect.

No, its safe to say he transfused his own blood on the rest days.

 

[dienekes88]

For those that "know" me, I am no Lance fan. However, these hematocrits are reported without reference to other values, most importantly total protein. Hematocrit can be artificially high with a decreased plasma volume which occurs with dehydration. With dehyrdation, total protein will also increase. Autologous blood transfusion should be suspected if there is no dehydration (ie, total protein levels are not increased) and hematocrit increases. So doping allegations based on a single blood parameter (hematocrit) can be difficult when we do not have the full story.

This bears repeating.

On top of that, everyone was all negative when I questioned the increase in TWiggo's hemoglobin at Sion.

 

[dienekes88]

No, its safe to say he transfused his own blood on the rest days.

Just like it's safe to say that TWiggo transfused? He had a spike in his profile too.

 

[Anonymous]

Slower fluid intake. That would make sense on a rest day. A bowel issue. He did not say these things had to be "extreme". That's just two he named.

It's unclear whether this individual blood guy knows about the ToF, the rest days and what legit lengths they go to recover. He was probably given the scores and told to look for any possible anominally. There are these types of things in nearly every profile. I'm sure somebody else would have looked at it by now, before this young man did, and raised concerned and rumours.

It's a non-issue that I guarrentee will not have legs. It's just some young guy in a blood lab in a country that doesn't have many important news stories to cover. Someone even pointed the finger at Wiggins' profile a few weeks back, yet it was praised by those in the business.

Well, I guess we now know when LA took a dump. No wonder th Hct rose on the rest days.

Another example of internet spelling? The sentence makes more sense when anomaly is spelled correctly.

 

[Race Radio]

I doubt he would have been dehydrated on the rest day, but it's safe to assume his intake of fluids dropped dramatically from the previous day given he was not involved in a long stage. This may well have had an effect.

The comedy continues.

Who knew that laying in bed all day recovering could dehydrate you more then a 6 hour mountain stage? You must be a doctor....thank you for sharing such genius with us

 

[Anonymous]

The comedy continues.

Who knew that laying in bed all day recovering could dehydrate you more then a 6 hour mountain stage? You must be a doctor....thank you for sharing such genius with us

You are forgetting about those brutally hard rest day 2 hour recovery rides. Or, maybe he drank too much coffee before the brutally hard 2 hour recovery rides. Either way, according to BPC, it could happen...

 

[Anonymous]

He wouldn't have been in bed all day of course. They still have to do some work on the rest day to keep the body from stiffening.

Point is, they drink massively to prevent dehydration during the stages. Less fluids during the rest day may have an effect on crit. I don't know that it does - i am speculating. The blood levels on most profiles I have seen do tend to move around a bit around the rest days - Vaughters commented on the various reasons for it in another thread.

We've seen from the other thread on blood doping how tricky and clumsy a process it is. With the huge focus on Armstrong in this tour, to my mind it seems unlikely. The crit would probably have jumped higher than it did as well - up to 47 plus or something.

These results are certainly not hard evidence at all.

"i am speculating"

Yes, I believe you are.

 

[Hugh Januss]

He wouldn't have been in bed all day of course. They still have to do some work on the rest day to keep the body from stiffening.

Point is, they drink massively to prevent dehydration during the stages. Less fluids during the rest day may have an effect on crit. I don't know that it does - i am speculating. The blood levels on most profiles I have seen do tend to move around a bit around the rest days - Vaughters commented on the various reasons for it in another thread.

We've seen from the other thread on blood doping how tricky and clumsy a process it is. With the huge focus on Armstrong in this tour, to my mind it seems unlikely. The crit would probably have jumped higher than it did as well - up to 47 plus or something.

These results are certainly not hard evidence at all.

And I am speculating that you have no idea at all what you are talking about here, and that you post as much as you do simply because you can not help it.
On second thought, speculating is not the right word to use in this case as it is pretty much a certainty that you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Race Radio]

You are forgetting about those brutally hard rest day 2 hour recovery rides. Or, maybe he drank too much coffee before the brutally hard 2 hour recovery rides. Either way, according to BPC, it could happen...

You are correct.

We should petition the ASO to eliminate one of the rest days as the potential for riders to suffer from extreme dehydration is high. It is a little known fact the the reason why the riders compete in so many post Tour crit's is because it is the only way they can keep hydrated.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think there would have been more criticism of LA's blood values from credible sources it really did show signs of doping. So far nothing. From what I've seen only a few hatchet men with well known hatred for him on this forum have tried to poke holes in it with some nonsense about him changing numbers. ......

You wrote this piece on another thread on the 28th - funny how things change over a couple of days....

 

[Anonymous]

He wouldn't have been in bed all day of course. They still have to do some work on the rest day to keep the body from stiffening.

Point is, they drink massively to prevent dehydration during the stages. Less fluids during the rest day may have an effect on crit. I don't know that it does - i am speculating. The blood levels on most profiles I have seen do tend to move around a bit around the rest days - Vaughters commented on the various reasons for it in another thread.

We've seen from the other thread on blood doping how tricky and clumsy a process it is. With the huge focus on Armstrong in this tour, to my mind it seems unlikely. The crit would probably have jumped higher than it did as well - up to 47 plus or something.

These results are certainly not hard evidence at all.

You do realize that they perspire more on days they ride stages and less on days they don't right? I would think that has a bit to do with level of intake, call me crazy.

 

[Race Radio]

You wrote this piece on another thread on the 28th - funny how things change over a couple of days....

Don't worry, shortly there will be a *** post claiming the Danish guy is nothing but a hater, quack, intern. This will be followed up by a rambling explanation that includes space aliens and midgets.

 

[Race Radio]

Um, shouldn't you be pipping down on the trolling front after your little humiliation on the logistics thread? It will only end in tears again...

Little Humiliation? You were consistently shown that there are many ways to blood dope...That, despite your claims, chambermaids where not going to stop it. You willingly humiliate yourself daily here.

Perhaps you are correct that diarrhea is performance enhancing.

A good example is Stephan Schumacher

http://www.cyclingnews.com/editions/first-edition-cycling-news-for-november-3-2007

Schumacher had irregular values right before the Worlds in his home town. He blamed it on diarrhea. 2 days later he finished 3rd in a 6 hour race. We all know that Schumacher was clean.

It appears Armstrong has discovered yet another performance enhancer, Ex Lax

 

[Anonymous]

Friend, all I'm saying on that point is obviously a hell of a lot fluid goes through the body during stage days compared to the rest days. This might have some effect on the crit given its a related issue. I don't know. You say it does not have any effect on the changes and you know this for a fact. Okay, bud.

We'd have to know what time of day it was taken and all the different facts that JV touched on too. In my view more blood guys who actually know about cycling and the Tours would have raised the alarm if something really was that fishy. It boggles the mind to think how LA could smuggle around doctors with blood bags given the circus that was surrounding him this year. That would be very high stakes poker indeed in this day and age with the passports and all.

They just did.

Again, prison inmates do drugs (and have illegal cell phones, etc) and the security around them far surpasses anything the Uniballer has ever dealt with. Explain how some poor crackhead can do it but a millionaire cannot put the whole scheme together. It doesn't "boggle" my mind. It seems clear that he got away with it before, and knows the game well enough to do it again. 20 minute showers not included.

Face it, Lance infused his blood in this past Tour. It is the MOST logical explanation for the values. Forgetting to drink enough water, or having the shits just doesn't cut it.

 

[Anonymous]

Um, shouldn't you be pipping down on the trolling front after your little humiliation on the logistics thread? It will only end in tears again...

If he had one, then so did you. See, you don't think it is widespread either. At least RR knows volumes of information about cycling. You know something about Armstrong, and the two are not necessarily related. In fact, most "fans" of Armstrong know little about either in any real sense.

 

[Anonymous]

Lance just posted his response to the allegations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSykiBcRV14

 

[Anonymous]

It was more that he got caught out lying about people's positions than what he actually said. You can't go trolling like that and not expect to be caught out. I see he's now pretending I said Armstrong has diarrhoea or something. Crazy kid.

It's a bit different to you because you are an open troll that flaunts his multiple accounts, as you did in that thread, so nobody even takes you seriously to begin with.

I'm not the one with multiple accounts sweetie. It is pretty cute that you think you are taken seriously though. Maybe you are the one delirious from having diarrhea? You certainly have sh!t for brains...