Lance Armstrong's blood values from the Tour de France looks suspicious and indicate

[Anonymous]

You still haven't answered how a crackhead prison inmate can get away with doping, but a twittering, diva, millionaire, single balled, useless bag of water cannot seem to pull it off. (I was referring to Lance, not you. Its obvious you are not a millionaire.)

 

[Race Radio]

I see he's now pretending I said Armstrong has diarrhea or something.

So were you lying again when you wrote?

a blood expert from Denmark who says blood doping could be one of several reasons, which could easily be natural.

The only natural reason given by the Danish "Blood Expert" that you refer to is diarrhea.

 

[Anonymous]

It's really not though. If the levels were that suspicious then he would have to explain himself before the UCI in the manner that someone like Schumacher did. The change is not big enough and comes on a rest day when the levels often bounce around a little. People actually involved in the sport would be raising flags if there was something to answer. They have not. The case is very weak. If I'm not allowed to speculate then you shouldn't either by being so ridiculously conclusive.

Schumacher tested positive for EPO douchebag. Lance just produced blood values that run counter to physiological reality for riders in a 3 week tour. Its like when he didn't show elevated hCG levels when he was riddled with testicular cancer. It boggles the mind that you are this stupid. Actually I know that you are not. You are fully aware that he dopes. Your trolling is for obfuscation, not to provide factual information. You just think you are sly enough to pass it off as legitimate.

 

[Anonymous]

It's a stupid analogy. The crackhead doesn't have the media circus following them around and the scrunity involved. Very poor.

No, he has multiple security cameras and guards looking in his cell and up his ***. It is far easier for The Uniballer to pull it off. Seriously, you cannot be THIS stupid.

I personally wish Armstrong was subject to full cavity searches on a regular basis.

 

[Race Radio]

There are these types of things in nearly every profile. I'm sure somebody else would have looked at it by now, before this young man did, and raised concerned and rumours.

During a period of heavy training and racing Armstrong raised his Hct 16.7%.

The UCI said nothing. Your faith in the UCI is misguided, like much of what your write here.

 

[Anonymous]

During a period of heavy training and racing Armstrong raised his Hct 16.7%.

The UCI said nothing. Your faith in the UCI is misguided, like much of what your write here.

He knows Armstrong is a doping freak. His job is to produce propaganda, not inform.

 

[Anonymous]

I know you don't read RaceRadio's posts, but I was refering to the article he posted about Schumacher having to explain irregular blood values to the UCI, and blamed in on the runs. It's very strange that nobody in the whole of cycling smelt a rat if this it the case for Armstrong. The fact is the changes are not that unsual the evidence seems to me.



Yawn. You're just talking nonsense. It's just slightly outside the average on one day - nothing that anyone else has had a problem with.

No, it is physiologically impossible to produce that blood profile without transfusion unless there is extreme dehydration. You have shown nothing to suggest the latter is the reason, nor did The Uniballer show any signs it.

If you just relax, and admit he doped, you will feel a lot better. It only stings for a second.

Now, back to the question. How can a crackhead inmate who is subject to random and frequent searches of his cell and orifices capable of doing drugs, and The Uniballer cannot according to you? Come one, dig deep into your trollkraft and come up with something.

 

[Anonymous]

Reading through the lines, all the Denmark guy seemed to be saying is he couldn't rule out blood doping. Not that it happened.

Reading the actual article, it is clear that he was saying he thinks Lance transfused blood based on what he knows about the issue. Which is quite a bit more than do you. But when has being an uninformed windbag ever stopped you writing incredibly stupid things before?

 

[Anonymous]

What time is it in California...I mean England anyway?

Hey, you never did answer Dr. M's post about your contention that if there were irregularities, people would say something. Now that they have, why are you fighting it so hard. You were wrong then, are you just trying to be even more wrong in the future?

 

[Race Radio]

What time is it in California...I mean England anyway?

Hey, you never did answer Dr. M's post about your contention that if there were irregularities, people would say something. Now that they have, why are you fighting it so hard. You were wrong then, are you just trying to be even more wrong in the future?

He is a troll, being wrong is what he does best.

 

[Anonymous]

If it makes you feel better to believe that, then believe it. It's not true though.

Show me the study that says otherwise. I think you will find that is the EXACT reason the Danish scientist said Lance transfused. See, it is physiologically impossible. Just like hCG and his mysterious lack of a raised level when his body was riddled with cancer.

It's a silly analogy. Most of the time prison guards allow drugs to go on. If you check out the complicated method of blood doping in a tour, covered on the logistics thread, where a doctor is involved, you will understand why it is very tricky indeed. You should read that thread.

It is a silly analogy because it is far harder for crackhead prisoners to do drugs than it would be for Lance to transfuse. That is the whole point. You also miss that the Dr stated he believes it happens regularly in cycling. Sorry 0 fer 2.

Hey, did you befriend me?

 

[Anonymous]

No it is not. I read that he couldn't rule it out, and bascially doesn't know. It looks like he just scanned the open information from the video report. He doesn't even say whether he knows what time of day the tests were taken or if he knew about the rest days. This stacks with the lack of complaints from the rest of the European cycling media and the anti doping circus who have not raised any red flags at all. We've just got one 16 year old guy saying something is a little off from average.

As ever the trolls are going round in cycles here. I'll leave you to stew for a bit and make up some more stuff you know is not true.

Dang ur guud!

We've got a troll saying he thinks Lance is clean when he clearly knows that he is not. That is GENIUS!

 

[Anonymous]

I mean, cause it is OBVIOUS that you think he is a doper.

 

[red_flanders]

Point is, they drink massively to prevent dehydration during the stages.

Uhh....why? Maybe because they are being massively dehydrated by the effort?

Are you actually being serious right now? You can't really think that a racer gets more dehydrated on a rest day than after several days hammering in the TdF, can you?

You know what? They EAT a lot more during the Tour than in training or in a rest phase. You know why? Because they BURN MORE CALORIES during the Tour. Do you think riders GAIN WEIGHT during the Tour because they EAT MORE?

Dude. Seriously.

 

[Race Radio]

No it is not. I read that he couldn't rule it out, and bascially doesn't know. It looks like he just scanned the open information from the video report. He doesn't even say whether he knows what time of day the tests were taken or if he knew about the rest days. This stacks with the lack of complaints from the rest of the European cycling media and the anti doping circus who have not raised any red flags at all. We've just got one 16 year old guy saying something is a little off from average.

As ever the trolls are going round in cycles here. I'll leave you to stew for a bit and make up some more stuff you know is not true.

The Danish guys also does not rule out the possibility of space aliens, French conspiracies, and the dreaded rest day dehydration.

I will let you go make up some more BS that you know is not true, like that you live in the UK.

 

[Race Radio]

Perfectly normal for someone coming from a low base.
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Do you have a link to back up the assertion that a 16.7% increase during heavy training is normal? Or are you just making this up like everything else you write?

 

[Race Radio]

What's with the trolls and lying? When they get caught out they just move on to the next lie...

Thanks for telling us your strategy.

You claimed that riders Hct increases on rest days because they drink less water....What is next? Are you going to claim again that Cortisone has never been used?

 

[elapid]

To introduce some science to this debate. Mørkeberg and others (Changes in blood profiles during Tour de France 2007. Ugeskr Laeger 170:1916-9, 2008) found significant decreases in hematocrit and hemoglobin concentrations in riders in the 2007 TdF on days 12 and 19 compared to the day before the prologue, with hematocrit 12.1% lower on day 19 compared to the baseline.

In another paper by Mørkeberg and others (Changes in blood values in elite cyclist. Int J Sports Med 30:130-8, 2009), which looked at hematocrit, hemoglobin concentration [Hb] and % reticulocytes in two professional cycling teams in 2007, they found that hematocrit and [Hb] decreased during in-season compared to out-of-season and, more importantly, during the TdF the [Hb] decreased by 11.5 %, with individual decreases ranging from 7.0 to 20.6%.

Lastly, Schumacher and others (Haemoglobin, haematocrit and red blood cell indices in elite cyclists. Are the control values for blood testing valid? Int J Sports Med 21:380-5, 2000) found that hemoglobin, hematocrit and red blood cell count decreased significantly with increasing training workload.

In summary, such a dramatic spike in hematocrit and OFF score during the TdF defies all logical explanations from a physiological point-of-view unless there is some form of supplemental enhancement (ie, autologous transfusion).

 

[Race Radio]

The cortisone issue from way back was a mistake which I quickly owned up to.

Thank you for admitting you are a lying troll. You must have forgot that it was your banned former username that you made this claim

Cortisoid steroids have never been used by cyclists - there is no benefit for them - which is why nobody but internet loons still cite this incident.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, better really be off now...5am here!

Oh, off to the shower to get ready for a productive work day? You mean, like, getting to the office a little early? Gonna put in your 8 or 10 hour shift are you? After stayin' up all night partying in front of your computer?

OK EVERYBODY, BPC IS OFF TO WORK NOW!

 

[Hugh Januss]

(Looks like we've given that loon TFF the slip, eh? Woah, what a weirdo)

I'm gonna suggest at this time that we all do what BPC does and only log in for each post that we make. That way he can't tell when we are listening either.
I bet he looks at who is online before he fires off one of his little epics. I have been watching and he never stays online between posts. That way he knows when one of us will answer him but we don't know when he is watching.
Now he will say that I am paranoid, but really he is, and schizophrenic. That is probably off topic though.

 

[CrueTrue]

http://cdn-community2.livestrong.co...c981f7be-e46c-4245-aa9d-d61ae110a264.Full.jpg

Notice the DOUBLE spike in HcT during the Tour. Yet because there is no test for autologous transfusions, this can't be declared a positive. Ridiculous.

The two HcT spikes are as the mountains start and for the Ventoux. Convenient.

Not yet - but the very same guy who's being referred to in the article, Jakob Mørkebjerg, is leading a team of scientists working on a test for autolog blood doping.

 

[issoisso]

Not yet - but the very same guy who's being referred to in the article, Jakob Mørkebjerg, is leading a team of scientists working on a test for autolog blood doping.

Yes, and there's another test undergoing trials too. However, the trials are expected to take 3 and a half years. This kind of thing isn't introduced just like that.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

(Looks like we've given that loon TFF the slip, eh? Woah, what a weirdo)

The cortisone issue from way back was a mistake which I quickly owned up to. .............

You're getting too caught up in these niggly disputes that don't really achieve anything and get a bit too personal....

Well, better really be off now...5am here!

Sounds familiar.....

Thank you for admitting you are a lying troll. You must have forgot that it was your banned former username that you made this claim

.....Thank you for clearing that up Blackcat...... I had assumed that TheArbiter and BPC were the same poster - now we know.

 

[Cobber]

I am wondering...... the only possibility given for LA's spike in hemoglobin, other than doping, is extreme dehydration. Now, obviously, a lot of us think this is extremely unlikely since it happened on a rest day. My question is, how would OFF-score be affected by dehydration? Wouldn't the spike in OFF-score negate the dehydration argument, since it is calculated from a ratio of 2 blood numbers and is not an absolute value? I would think OFF-score would not be affected much by dehydration.