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Lance the Bully

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Let's add Kristin to the bullied list.

For her deposition in the LeMond versus Trek case, Lance managed to assign his own attorney, Tim Herman, to represent her. This was a clear conflict of interest.

"Q. Oh, when did you hire Mr. Herman?

A. I don't know the date.

Q. Yesterday?

A. No.

Q. Has he been your counsel for a long period of time?

A. I don't know the exact date that the representation began.

Q. Okay. Is he Mr. Armstrong's counsel?

A. Yes.

Q. Are you paying for his services?

A. I don't know. I haven't gotten a bill yet.

Q. Do you have an agreement with any, with your ex-husband about covering any legal bills related to him?

A. No. We haven't discussed anything like that.

Q. Other than this deposition, have you ever consulted with Mr. Herman before?

A. We've spoken before, but it - we haven't - there's been no, no need to do anything. I've never been asked any questions or deposed. There's been no, nothing of any sort.

Q. So you've never sought legal services from Mr. Herman prior to this deposition. Is that correct?

A. That's correct.

Q. Okay. Just to go through the record, have you ever observed Mr. Armstrong using any controlled substances?

Mr. Herman: Objection. This is in bad faith. It's, unreasonably annoys, embarrasses or oppresses, or oppresses Mrs. Armstong -

Mr. Di Boise: Are you going to instruct - why don't we just say instruction, and we can move on.

Mr. Hermann: Because we're not going to move on because I'm going to suspend this deposition and move to terminate it or limit it...

...

Q (By Mr. Di Boise) Have you been harassed during this deposition?

A No, I don't feel harassed..."



During her deposition, where Di Boise was civil and gentle, Herman objected to virtually every single question asked - constantly interrupting Kristin.

e.g.

"Q: Okay. Did you ever meet a woman by the name of Emma O'Reilly?

Mr. Herman: Objection, form.

The Witness: Yes, I did."


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I had forgotten about that. He revealed the guy's email address at least twice in a video he posted to the web. All but begging his fanatics to harass the guy. All because he f*ed up and released his personal email address in a tweet or something and the guy sent him some unflattering, but private, emails. What a knob move that was. No class.
but he was provoked. The guy was a little naive. Dont poke a cobra.
 

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Bullies often get others to do their dirtywork.

Remember when LeMond was harassed:
LeMond spent the first two weeks of August 2001 fielding calls from cycling bigwigs, including Thom Weisel, chairman of USA Cycling and the owner of Armstrong’s team. He also heard from Trek CEO John Burke, who pleaded with LeMond to stand down and, according to LeMond’s 2008 lawsuit against Trek, “implied in graphic terms that Mr. Armstrong would financially harm Mr. LeMond.” Spooked, LeMond began taping the calls. But he was trapped; Burke demanded he issue a retraction, drafted by Armstrong’s attorney.

Or Betsy by Stephanie:
"I hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head," McIlvain tells Andreu in the first message. "I also hope that one day you have adversity in your life and you have some type of tragedy that will.definitely make an impact on you."

Or Frankie by Bill Stapleton & Bart Knaggs trying to get Frankie to get Betsy to change her story.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
Bullies often get others to do their dirtywork.

Remember when LeMond was harassed:

LeMond spent the first two weeks of August 2001 fielding calls from cycling bigwigs, including Thom Weisel, chairman of USA Cycling and the owner of Armstrong’s team. He also heard from Trek CEO John Burke, who pleaded with LeMond to stand down and, according to LeMond’s 2008 lawsuit against Trek, “implied in graphic terms that Mr. Armstrong would financially harm Mr. LeMond.” Spooked, LeMond began taping the calls. But he was trapped; Burke demanded he issue a retraction, drafted by Armstrong’s attorney.

...

Later, though, in at least one example of truth being told, LeMond advised John Burke something to the effect that Lance was extorting him. Burke's response was "I know".

Dave.
 
10 Famous Men With Only One Ball


http://www.asylum.com/2009/05/19/10-famous-men-with-only-one-ball/

In the biological sense, one testicle works just as well as two. Nevertheless, having a single, lonely nut can be a source of great embarrassment for a guy. But it turns out there may be an upside to monorchism. An Asylum analysis of famous people rumored to have only one testicle has exposed that a half-sack may increase your chances of becoming a professional athlete or a military despot.

Case in point: According to a new book, Spanish dictator General Francisco Franco was a member of the mono-nad club. Check out our list of nine other One-Eyed Willies and decide for yourself.

9. Napoleon Bonaparte Did you know Napoleon wasn't really short? In fact, he was about average-size for a Frenchman of his era. So it's possible the "complex" comes from him being one testicle short of a pair.

8. Adolf Hitler At this point, you're probably wondering if Stalin and Mussolini were also monorchids. From what we know, they weren't.

7. John Kruk When the baseball-player-turned-analyst enters a room, there will be an odd number of testicles in that room.

Read the rest of the list after the jump.

6. Arnold Schwarzenegger Could explain the obsession with weightlifting.

5. Lance Armstrong Does Lance Armstrong's uni-nut hang left or right? Only his bicycle seat knows.

4. Mike Lowell We're basing this solely on the fact the Red Sox's third baseman had surgery for testicular cancer. But even if he only has one ball, his scrotum is still going to be in better overall shape than former teammate Manny Ramirez's.

3. Frank Church The Idaho senator revealed his monorchism during his run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1976. Ultimately he lost to a two-testicled Jimmy Carter.

2. Tom Green The gonzo comedian "went there" and documented his testicle removal in a television special.

1. Hansie Cronje You may not have heard of him, but Cronje was a big-time international cricketer in the '90s who was kicked out of the game for match-fixing and ultimately died in a shady plane crash. The right-handed batsman accomplished this all with only one nad.
 
TexPat said:
Well, it's (almost) all on record here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24714560/Michael-Anderson-s-Testimony-On-Lance-Armstrong-Doping, which makes for rather unpleasant reading for me. Just read it again last night after 7 years have lapsed--still very fresh in my mind.
Has anyone seen the transcript of my deposition?

Hi TexPat,

Finally found a copy.

(Passing over the references to Ferrari ("Dr. Evil" according to Lance), the andro in the bathroom, the admission from Lance that "Everyone does it", and the avoided out of competition test) Here is a topical extract related to this thread:

"Arbitration Transcript of Proceedings
January 16, 2006
Volume 9

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Q. Did you ever become concerned – are you even concerned today or fearful maybe even of the potential for Mr. Armstrong to affect your career in the cycling business?

A. Yeah – yeah, I’m very fearful. He’s already done enough damage as it is, an enormous amount. He’s – he’s a rich and powerful guy with a lot of friends and – and a – fairly good media machine and they’ve done a heck of a job of making me look like an idiot and making him look like the little boy blue. Yes, am I threatened by it. Yes, I’m very threatened by it. They’ve threatened me with a lawsuit for answering a subpoena, something that I find is my civic duty as much as voting. So, yeah, to answer your question.

Q. Well, based on what you – what you personally saw and witnessed as an employee of Mr. Armstrong, is there – did you reach a conclusion about whether Mr. Armstrong has been associated with banned substances?

A. There’s no doubt in my mind. There’s no doubt whatsoever.

Q. And based on the events that you’ve described to the panel this afternoon, is it your belief that Mr. Armstrong has acknowledged use of banned substance?

A. Oh, yes. Oh, yes."


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Hi TexPat,

Finally found a copy.

(Passing over the references to Ferrari ("Dr. Evil" according to Lance), the andro in the bathroom, the admission from Lance that "Everyone does it", and the avoided out of competition test) Here is a topical extract related to this thread:

"Arbitration Transcript of Proceedings
January 16, 2006
Volume 9

...


Q. Did you ever become concerned – are you even concerned today or fearful maybe even of the potential for Mr. Armstrong to affect your career in the cycling business?

A. Yeah – yeah, I’m very fearful. He’s already done enough damage as it is, an enormous amount. He’s – he’s a rich and powerful guy with a lot of friends and – and a – fairly good media machine and they’ve done a heck of a job of making me look like an idiot and making him look like the little boy blue. Yes, am I threatened by it. Yes, I’m very threatened by it. They’ve threatened me with a lawsuit for answering a subpoena, something that I find is my civic duty as much as voting. So, yeah, to answer your question.

Q. Well, based on what you – what you personally saw and witnessed as an employee of Mr. Armstrong, is there – did you reach a conclusion about whether Mr. Armstrong has been associated with banned substances?

A. There’s no doubt in my mind. There’s no doubt whatsoever.

Q. And based on the events that you’ve described to the panel this afternoon, is it your belief that Mr. Armstrong has acknowledged use of banned substance?

A. Oh, yes. Oh, yes."


Dave.

Bitter liar with a vendetta, that TexPat.

It's not at all funny but Team Gunderson will spin it this way. Sad, sad, sad.


Does anyone know the story with Lisa Shiels?
 
Scott SoCal said:
Bitter liar with a vendetta, that TexPat.

It's not at all funny but Team Gunderson will spin it this way. Sad, sad, sad.


...

The pre-testimony legal wrangling before TexPat's testimony is at least as telling.

Texpat was only appearing under subpoena and was not a willing witness. The reason he was not willing was due to the bullying by Lance. His lawyer asks for a promise that there will be no retaliation for TexPat's testimony.

Herman, of course, follows orders and offers no such promise. In other words, they reserve the right to retaliate all they want.

Here is the extract:

"...
Mr. Gillespie (Lawyer for Mike Anderson): My requests, number one, I move for a ruling from the panel that Mike Anderson’s testimony is pursuant to subpoena and is not voluntary. Two, I move for a protective order from the panel that none of the testimony Mike Anderson provides in this proceeding may serve as a basis for a suit against him or his counsel for disparagement, breach of any settlement agreement or breach of contract. Three, I’m requesting a representation from the Claimants that they will not retaliate against Mike Anderson or his counsel in any way because of Mike’s testimony in these proceedings.

My question is whether or not anyone has disclosed any of the terms of the settlement agreement between Lance Mr. Armstrong and Mike Anderson, if any, to the panel, and if so, did the panel compel such disclosure?

I can restate any of those, but I’ve got it written down so that I could make sure I said it right.

Arbitrator Faulkner: Okay. Gentlemen, referring to counsel in this case, we had discussed with you all having an appropriate agreement to deal with the subpoena issue and so I would like to get y’all to go ahead and state on the record what the subpoena agreement was relating to the validity of the subpoena so that’s clear.

Mr. Herman: We have stipulated that – or agree that Mr. Anderson’s appearance here will be pursuant to a validly issued subpoena and not voluntary.

Mr. Tillotson: So agreed by Respondents.

Arbitrator Faulkner: Okay. And from the panel we concur with that and accept the representations of counsel that Mr. Anderson’s appearance is pursuant to a valid subpoena issued by this tribunal and that this is not a voluntary appearance on the part of Mr. Anderson.

Okay, the second issue. Request for a protective order.

Arbitrator Lyon: We can –

Arbitrator Faulkner: I don’t – we don’t have any authority to give you a protective order relating to an independent contract, to the extent that a valid subpoena compelling testimony pursuant to the laws of this state is acknowledged here. We don’t have any authority over what your agreements are with regards to the Tailwind or Lance Armstrong parties and we have no way of doing that.

The third issue, representations from claimants not to retaliate.

Mr. Gillespie: I’m requesting that of the Claimants.

Arbitrator Lyon: Of the claimants, not the panel.

Arbitrator Faulkner: Not of the tribunal.

Mr. Herman: That’s an entirely inappropriate subject to take up here. I’m not going to respond to that.

Arbitrator Faulkner: Okay.

Mr. Gillespie: I take that as a no, we won’t get that representation.

Mr. Breen: Well –

Mr. Herman: That would be up to you Mr. Gillespie, anyway.

Arbitrator Faulkner: Y’all can interpret that as you wish, but this tribunal has no authority to address that issue or to do anything other than issue a valid subpoena which has now been conceded that one exists and that your client is not voluntarily testifying.

..."


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The Simeoni Affair - a gem

By the way, just reread this fantastic article on how Armstrong "played" with the press:

http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=1811

"...This interview - the first and last he has given me - had been achieved at the Circuit de la Sarthe. Since the 1999 Tour de France and what he did [Editor's note: this is the newspaper Le Monde revealed that the use of corticosteroids by Armstrong and his use of a backdated order], we talked it over. In 2003, I had just landed a few months in the cycling section. I do not know why, but his entourage accepted the interview. After a while, I mentioned his support for Ferrari ...

What was the attitude of Armstrong at the time of the interview?
He strained. Then I got to the lesson. He asked me: "You know the facts?" "You did your job as a journalist? If this is the case, you should know that there is no evidence against Ferrari." The interview was then repeated in an article [published March 18 under the title: "Pursued by the Italian justice system, Michele Ferrari retains the support of Lance Armstrong".] He did not respond directly to this article, unlike at other times I have received letters from his lawyer.

Simeoni Filppo him, responded by filing a complaint in full Tour de France!
We were accused along with Armstrong because we had relayed his comments. We wanted to understand and we had just listened to both runners. I never thought to be indicted. Simeoni and I had very good relations. But to keep Armstrong, he also had to attack the newspaper. This indictment was made in turn..."
 
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The Simeoni Affair - last

"...Armstrong said today that he chased down Simeoni "to protect the interests of the peloton." On the face of it, it seems a bit disingenuous to suggest that attacking a rider who sat almost three hours down on overall time and didn't figure in any of the superlative jersey classifications was for the best. But Armstrong wasn't referring to the race.

"All he wants to do is destroy cycling, destroy the sport that pays him," Armstrong said of the reason for his actions. In his phrasing, Armstrong--intentionally or not--recalled Greg LeMond's statement last week, when the three-time winner said in an interview with a French newspaper, "The problem with Armstrong is that you're either a liar or you're out to destroy cycling," speaking of how Armstrong deals with riders who allege that doping in the sport is widespread..."

http://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cycling/armstrong-hunts-down-rider
 
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Notice how Wonderboy listed not just USADA but also Travis individually today in his complaint? Also infers he will go after everyone for $$$ to restore his good name.

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Race Radio said:
Notice how Wonderboy listed not just USADA but also Travis individually today in his complaint? Also infers he will go after everyone for $$$ to restore his good name.

scumbag

Funny!

Did you know/remember that Travis was called as a witness for Lance's side in the SCA arbitration?

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Hi all, my first post, so I hope it is worth reading!

One of the most blatant examples of Armstrong's bullying must be the way he threatened Prentice Steffen, saying, "I have a lot of money, good lawyers, and if you continue to talk, I'll destroy you." This quote is taken from the following article, which contains a number of interesting points.

L'EQUIPE

October 6, 2005, page 12.

English translation of "Ce qui s'est passe sur le Tour 2005".


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Prentice Steffen, USA, 44 years old

-Specialist in both Emergency Medicine, in San Francisco (USA), and Sports Medicine

-Worked successively for the cycling teams Subaru-Montgomery (1993-1995), US Postal (1996), Mercury (1998-2002), Prime Alliance (2003), Health Net (2004), then TIAA-CREF (2005)

Prentice Steffen, the ex-doctor for US Postal let go at the end of 1996 for not wanting to respond to the doping trend, reveals the new practices of the peloton.

"What happened during the 2005 Tour (de France)"

Dr. Prentice Steffen, his diplomas attest to the fact, is a model doctor. Specialist in both Emergency Medicine and Sports Medicine, he worked for four years, from 1993-1996, with the American cyclists of the teams Subaru-Montgomery then US Postal. In 1996, "during the height of the reign of EPO", his riders were totally destroyed during the Tour of Switzerland and two among them, Marty Jemison and Tyler Hamilton, asked him in veiled words to help them dope. He refused and alerted the team directors. At the end of the year, his contract was not renewed and one morning the mailman delivered him a registered letter with the intimidation order to not talk about his experience in the heart of US Postal. "A few months later," he remembers, "the nine riders of the team rode the Champs-Elysees of the finish of the 1997 Tour de France. I realized they'd move on to EPO...". Today, despite threats from Lance Armstrong (1), Dr. Steffen is still in the milieu (of cycling). He takes care of a team of young American professionals (TIAA-CREF) which disputed the latest edition of the Tour de l'Avenir.

L'EQUIPE:

With all that you know about doping and the practices of a part of the peloton, why are you involved with young cyclists"

STEFFEN:

The pressure to dope for riders under the age of 25 is not so strong. Big teams don't want to see young guys arrive in their ranks with an already bad reputation. There's also the fact of being able to race in France. It's easier. If we come to race in France, with our team of young riders, it's not because our sponsor loves Avignon and Provence, but rather because we know we have a better chance to do well, even win. Thanks to the fear of the police, thanks to the journalists, and thanks to the fight against doping in place in your country. French riders, maybe due to these forces, have tried to change. We only race in your country and in the United States.

L'EQUIPE:

Your young riders are knowledgeable about doping?

STEFFEN:

They have a very clear understanding about things and about the environment they're in. To be among the best, one has to dope. For them, it's certain. I don't think they doubt it for an instant. But there are people fighting to change this situation. Jonathon Vaughters, the director of our team, is working to make it so that there is another path. But if things don't change, riders who are 20 years old today, in five years will have to make a choice: stop racing or dope.

L'EQUIPE:

Is it possible today to recognize those who'll take that step?

STEFFEN:

Even if we had a team psychologist who knew each rider intimately, who fully understood the problem of doping, I'm not sure he could know. If someone had asked me this question about Tyler Hamilton 10 or 11 years ago, I would've said: "He'll never do it. He's too honest, too well raised, too hard working... ". But that's not how it works. Unpleasant people like Lance Armstrong dope and nice people like Tyler Hamilton also dope. There's a moment when they waver. As if they don't have a choice. The only other solution would be to stop cycling. But they see themselves with a future, without a job. I think a rider with a college degree or from a family with money will be less likely to get involved in doping. But that's just a theory; Tyler Hamilton has a degree... he probably had other options. That proves that at a certain point there's something stronger that anything else that pushes a rider in (to doping). Maybe glory, maybe money.

L'EQUIPE:

Why, after all the difficulties you've endured, do you continue to work in this milieu (cycling)?

STEFFEN:

I love cycling. I've been in cycling for 26 years, since I was in college. But I promised myself something, and my wife can serve as witness: if Hamilton is declared innocent and nothing happens to Lance, I'll quit, I'll quit cycling once and for all. I'll believe there's no longer any hope. For now though, I'm optimistic. I'm a believer in using everything in the judicial arsenal to combat doping: increase the number of out-of-competition tests and better target the times they're done, freeze specimens and authorize their analysis and retrospective sanctions. And callon, when it's necessary, the police and the border controls. Above all, the UCI (Union Cycliste Internationale) should be completely out of this fight against doping because their is corruption there. That's my opinion, I don't have any proof, just doubts and a few rumors...

L'EQUIPE:

Aren't you a bit radical?

STEFFEN:

It's this way and only this way that we will really be able to combat doping. I'll explain something I've been told relating to certain teams in the 2005 Tour and you'll understand where this sport has gone...

L'EQUIPE:

Who told you?

STEFFEN:

Someone in the heart of a team that I can't name. Before going to the start of the Tour, the riders of certain teams, during their training camps, took EPO (which disappears from the urine within three days, even 12 hours when small doses are used) and took their hematocrits up to around 60. Then a doctor withdraws their blood, saving it in special containers, to lower their blood parameters into the accepted range (50) so that they pass without difficulty the medical controls before the Tour. Then, as the teams well know, during the race the vampires (2) can arrive any day but always between 7 and 8 in the morning. After that time, there is no more testing and the riders were able to reinject their own blood. They were racing the stage with an enormous advantage- their hemotrocrit in the 55 to 58 range during the race- then in the evening at the hotel, someone again withdraws their blood so that they sleep without risk (3) and, especially, they escape the possible tests the next morning.

L'EQUIPE:

This practice was used every evening during the three weeks of the Tour?

STEFFEN:

No, just for important stages in the mountains or maybe for a time trial. It's so simple to do and there's no risk of being caught unless the police intervene. The blood was shuttled by motorcycle in a refrigerated compartment...

L'EQUIPE:

Autotransfusions (where one injects his own blood) are indetectable. Can nothing be done to stop it?

STEFFEN:

Yes. The vampires should come take the blood samples just before the start near the start line. It's the only solution. Or otherwise, once again we must call on the police...

DOMINIQUE and JEAN ISSARTEL

(1) After the publication of his testimony about Jemison and Hamilton in an article in the Sunday Times of London in 2001 when he expressed his certainty that US Postal had begun doping, Dr. Steffen received a phone call from Armstrong in which he threatened him in the following terms (the same that he used against Greg LeMond and Mike Anderson, his former personal assistant): "I have a lot of money, good lawyers, and if you continue to talk, I'll destroy you."


(2) The UCI antidoping control officers are thus nicknamed in cycling.


(3) When certain blood parameters (hemoglobin, hematocrit) are too high, there is a real risk of blood clots due to thickening of the blood.


(4) UCI anti-doping rules saying article 135 that "a test can be carried out in competion or out-of-competition at any time and at any place without warning". In this particular case, no rider can be declared positive because autotransfusions are indetectable. But if the blood parameters are abnormal, the authorities can forbid the rider to continue the race and can impose a rest period of 15 days.
 
Indurain said:
Anyone that knows anything about these foundations, charities that are run by celebs ie. Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, will know that first and foremost Lance's cancer foundation is a tax haven for him.
Don't clump Lance in with the Gates'. By the time Bill Gates has passed away, he will be the biggest philanthropist in history without question. He's also the co-founder of the giving pledge, which encourages the world's richest people to donate at least 50% of their wealth to charity. He has already given away over 48% of his wealth, with an estimated $58b more on the horizon or over 90% of their wealth. Yes, I'm sure Gates has a division of tax accountants to help with taxes, and I realize that Warren Buffet is on pace to give away 99% of his wealth, but I for one believe Gates is sincere in his philanthropy and giving in his soul.

Lance on the other hand...
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
Don't clump Lance in with the Gates'. By the time Bill Gates has passed away, he will be the biggest philanthropist in history without question. He's also the co-founder of the giving pledge, which encourages the world's richest people to donate at least 50% of their wealth to charity. He has already given away over 48% of his wealth, with an estimated $58b more on the horizon or over 90% of their wealth. Yes, I'm sure Gates has a division of tax accountants to help with taxes, and I realize that Warren Buffet is on pace to give away 99% of his wealth, but I for one believe Gates is sincere in his philanthropy and giving in his soul.

Is that how Gates assuages the guilt from using his monopoly to crush small companies and hold back mankind's technological progress?
 

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What rank was Kenda-5hour? It is a bit premature to think this had to do with Lance. There is no proof that Lance had anything to do with this!
Did you actually read the article?
Here is the NRC rank - Kenda are 4th, Bontranger Livestrong 5th have an invite:

1 Competitive Cyclist Racing Team 1250 pts
2 Team Optum p/b Kelly Benefit Strategies 799 pts
3 Bissell Pro Cycling Team 772 pts
4 Kenda/5 Hour Energy p/b GearGrider 731 pts
5 Bontranger Livestrong Team 698 pts
 

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Dr. Maserati said:
Did you actually read the article?
Here is the NRC rank - Kenda are 4th, Bontranger Livestrong 5th have an invite:

1 Competitive Cyclist Racing Team 1250 pts
2 Team Optum p/b Kelly Benefit Strategies 799 pts
3 Bissell Pro Cycling Team 772 pts
4 Kenda/5 Hour Energy p/b GearGrider 731 pts
5 Bontranger Livestrong Team 698 pts

This does not prove that Lance had anything to do with the fact that Kenda was left out.

It is never a 100% invite for anyone.

Do you have any proof that Lance is the reason they were not invited?