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ImmaculateKadence said:
But there was evidence and even an articulate argument. Frankly, I remain unconvinced, but that is because I support the LAF. I've watched too many loved ones suffer due to cancer (just yesterday I received news that a close family friend has lung cancer). I have my own criticisms, but certainly not enough to conclude that the man is a fraud.

I think that this discussion was well thought out. Far better than most of the criticism that fails to extend beyond meaningless slander and childish insults.

Sorry to hear about your friend. My roommate from college, and friend for decades, died from cancer yesterday. It is a terrible disease.

Armstrong's story gives hope to many people, something I encourage. However when he uses this same hope to avoid any legitimate questions about his often unethical actions it is inexcusable and should be questioned.

Sorry if I may have been a bit harsh in my response. I actually welcome your input as you clearly have taken time to address some of the points, instead of just trolling like some.
 

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RaceRadio calls me a lying troll for highlighting his usage of private jets - something he admitted to in another thread - but refuses to actually deny it. Now I'm on ignore. :rolleyes:

You can see how this guy operates. He's probably on a yacht in the bahammas as he criticises Armstrong's wealth.
 
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It does. Your explanations have been nothing but more misinformation, relaying more on quantity of words then content.

When people here mention "The Myth" this is one of the things were are referring to. Armstrong's ability to get his followers to suspend rational thought when it comes to their hero.

Top 10 law school graduate + 11 years of experience working with non-profits = misinformation and suspension of rational thought.

Okaaaaay.
 
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Considering that there a reasonable possibility that LA gave himself cancer, I think it would be good if raised cancer awareness by explaining the immense risks of the use of PE substances. He could certainly speak from a position of knowledge.
 
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Okay but it has been a long time since Armstrong rode in those types of conditions. He's used to training in Spain, Texas and California and then doing the Tour in July. The arctic conditions must have been a shock to the system. It was still supposed to be summer after all. If you're doing the Paris Roubiax in Spring then you're braced for all that stuff.

You just keep ignoring the overall context of my post and focusing on the weather, Not surprised you have Irish realtions. Conditions were not arctic, just very, very wet, I was there. I guess it never rained at the Tour or the Giro or California for that matter.

As a comparison, Greg LeMond took part in 1990 when the race was in October, he was badly out of shape because he wrapped his season up after the worlds in August but was getting an appearence fee for Ireland but dropped out. I remember he received an almighty amount of flak from organisers, journalists everyone. I was a big fan of Greg up until that point.
 
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Considering that there a reasonable possibility that LA gave himself cancer, I think it would be good if raised cancer awareness by explaining the immense risks of the use of PE substances. He could certainly speak from a position of knowledge.


Lots of professional athletes were using the crap Armstrong was likely using in the 90's and not all of them got cancer.
 
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Lots of professional athletes were using the crap Armstrong was likely using in the 90's and not all of them got cancer.

Well, many people smoke too and not all of them get lung/other type of cancer...
 
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Lots of professional athletes were using the crap Armstrong was likely using in the 90's and not all of them got cancer.


Four of Lance's U-23 and Junior teammates sued USA Cycling for doping them dating before age 18. Three riders from that team not including Lance are or were very, VERY sick.

The lawsuit:

Greg Strock got sick too (auto immune)
Erich Kaiter got sick too (chrons colitis)
David Francis, not yet sick
Gerrik Latta, not yet sick
Ernie Lechuga, testicular Cancer

Of course there are more, Fignon the most obvious
 
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Race Radio said:
Sorry to hear about your friend. My roommate from college, and friend for decades, died from cancer yesterday. It is a terrible disease.

Armstrong's story gives hope to many people, something I encourage. However when he uses this same hope to avoid any legitimate questions about his often unethical actions it is inexcusable and should be questioned.

Sorry if I may have been a bit harsh in my response. I actually welcome your input as you clearly have taken time to address some of the points, instead of just trolling like some.

Sorry about your friend bro. I remember you mentioned something in prior posts but had no idea it was that bad. It is terrible and seemingly more and more common.

I support more than just the LAF. As a cyclist, I'm naturally inclined to the LAF, but I also support Susan G. Komen and the American Cancer Society. I think collectively they could do so much in the fight against cancer.

You haven't been too harsh. Besides I don't take much offense to a well articulated and thought out opinion. It's the childishness I choose not to involve myself in. I'm not a Lance fanboy or troll, but I do admire him. However, I'm a cycling fan first, and he does not transcend the sport (though some may think he does).
 
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Lance Armstrong dropping out of a race because the weather was bad?? Is that the same Lance Armstrong who won his first Tour by riding away from the peloton on a day when the rain never stopped? Who 'trained harder' in all weathers? Who claimed he loved the rain and won the World's in a torrential downpour? It is, isn't it? Just checking that I hadn't mistaken him for some other Lance Armstrong.

Pcmg you are dead right - and isn't it funny how he always has the PR stunt, says the right thing later, presumably when his PR advisors have informed him what a total f*ck up his selfish, childish, diva like ways have been. Make no mistake - the real Armstrong is the arrogant petulant tantrum prone person lining his pockets, the 'patron saint of cancer' is a carefully constructed persona paid for by Nike, Oakley et al and crafted by an army of PR people.

Kadence & RR, sorry to hear your news - cancer is such an ugly horrible disease. And I totally agree with your closing sentiment Kadence, it goes to the root of why some cycling fans dislike LA.
 

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Lots of professional athletes were using the crap Armstrong was likely using in the 90's and not all of them got cancer.

Indeed. And you have to wonder why LA hasn't gotten cancer again if he really was doped up all the time.

But this is not the right place for that discussion.
 

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Make no mistake - the real Armstrong is the arrogant petulant tantrum prone person lining his pockets, the 'patron saint of cancer' is a carefully constructed persona paid for by Nike, Oakley et al and crafted by an army of PR people.

Thought that needed highlighting.
 
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Clemson Cycling said:
why has this thread turned into a 14 rant about the viability of Lance Armstrong and Livestrong?

Umm. Cause soap operas keep the blood flowing. Like a bunch of old ladies crowded around the tube after lunch.
 
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Let's check the early returns on the thread traffic. I love this feature of the forums.....

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^^ Hmmm. Sitting nicely mid-pack I think, should move towards the front as we get to the finish.

Anyway, we all know someone with cancer, some of us have probably had it or will have it... doesn't change the fact that Lance is a raging sociopath. Sometimes bad people can do good things.

Props to Pmgc76 always the sensible voice so great posts. And arbiter too, wow, the amount of effort to put into this shit, it amazes me (and makes me a little sick as well). If you're not getting paid, you should be!
 
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Race Radio said:
Four of Lance's U-23 and Junior teammates sued USA Cycling for doping them dating before age 18. Three riders from that team not including Lance are or were very, VERY sick.

The lawsuit:

Greg Strock got sick too (auto immune)
Erich Kaiter got sick too (chrons colitis)
David Francis, not yet sick
Gerrik Latta, not yet sick
Ernie Lechuga, testicular Cancer

Of course there are more, Fignon the most obvious

I hadn't heard about this. If that is true (doping U18 kids) that is incredibly sick. Does anyone have a link to the results of this suit or the specifics of the claim? It would be interesting to know which coaches/doctors were named.
 
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pedaling squares said:
I hadn't heard about this. If that is true (doping U18 kids) that is incredibly sick. Does anyone have a link to the results of this suit or the specifics of the claim? It would be interesting to know which coaches/doctors were named.

Greg an Erich settled with USA cycling and Wetzel right before going to court. $250,000 each. Prior to filing his suit Greg settled with Chris Carmichael, who did not want to be dragged into the court case.

The Virus that Strock got, human parvovirus B19, has shown a high prevalence in the testes of patients with testicular germ cell tumors...the same cancer Lachuga and Armstrong got. To be far more recent studies question this link.

Here is a good interview with Strock.
http://velonews.com/article/79
the Coach his lawyer stops him from talking about is Carmichael, who had already settled with Strock.
 
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Race Radio said:
The Virus that Strock got, human parvovirus B19, has shown a high prevalence in the testes of patients with testicular germ cell tumors...the same cancer Lachuga and Armstrong got. To be far more recent studies question this link.

Ummm... parvovirus B19 (also known as Fifth disease) is a very common childhood virus.

From eMedicine.com

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Parvovirus B19 infection is extremely common. Seropositivity rates are 5-10% among young children (aged 2-5 years), increasing to 50% by age 15 years and 60% by age 30 years. A small percentage of adults acquire infection every year, resulting in an incidence of approximately 90% in adults older than 60 years.

Tell me how this is connected to PED?
 
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Race Radio said:
Greg Strock got sick too (auto immune)
Erich Kaiter got sick too (chrons colitis)
David Francis, not yet sick
Gerrik Latta, not yet sick
Ernie Lechuga, testicular Cancer

Of course there are more, Fignon the most obvious

Is there any proposed pathophysiology as to how PED can cause these illnesses?

As for Fignon who has pancreatic cancer... How do PED's cause pancreatic cancer?