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Lance's Bikes Raise $1.25 million for cancer research

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Murray said:
Ummm... parvovirus B19 (also known as Fifth disease) is a very common childhood virus.

From eMedicine.com

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Parvovirus B19 infection is extremely common. Seropositivity rates are 5-10% among young children (aged 2-5 years), increasing to 50% by age 15 years and 60% by age 30 years. A small percentage of adults acquire infection every year, resulting in an incidence of approximately 90% in adults older than 60 years.

Tell me how this is connected to PED?

It is a very common virus, however it seldom becomes symptomatic. Strock, who is now a Doctor, talks about this in the article

a symptomatic case of Parvovirus in an ordinarily healthy young Caucasian male. It's almost unheard of to see the kind of symptoms that I suffered.

Strock was given Cortisone, an immunosuppressant. It is his position in the case, that it was the Cortisone that triggered the change. I think we can agree that US Cycling and Chris Charmicheal would not have settled if his case did not have some merit.
 
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Murray said:
Is there any proposed pathophysiology as to how PED can cause these illnesses?

As for Fignon who has pancreatic cancer... How do PED's cause pancreatic cancer?

It is Fignon's position that his Cortisone use was a contributor to his cancer. I do not know if he has anything to back it up.

I have already explained the link between the virus and testicular cancer. It is Strock's position that the Cortisone caused the virus to be symptomatic. USA cycling and Carmichael must have thought there was some validity in this position as they chose to pay over $500,000 rather then go to court
 
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Let's check the early returns on the thread traffic. I love this feature of the forums.....

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wtf...I haven't had 2 posts to this thread yet? That's some BS right there, fella. where the hell do I keep up with my activity? This is an outrage.

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Look, I am just working on base right now, don't want to get the hr too high by posting too much.

This is just a recovery thread.

I'll take a pull. At the end.

My water bottles are low and when I dehydrate I just crap out badly.
 

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Dominar said:
Top 10 law school graduate + 11 years of experience working with non-profits = misinformation and suspension of rational thought.

Okaaaaay.

Perhaps that is why you gave a long explanation that never answers the simple question.

Why should Lance profit - even if it is $0.0002 - from the Livestrong name if as you say it is a charity recognized brand?

He is a multi-millionaire who has amassed vast sums throughout his career.
And in particular when he says his return is all about cancer awareness.
 
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Race Radio said:
Greg an Erich settled with USA cycling and Wetzel right before going to court. $250,000 each. Prior to filing his suit Greg settled with Chris Carmichael, who did not want to be dragged into the court case.

The Virus that Strock got, human parvovirus B19, has shown a high prevalence in the testes of patients with testicular germ cell tumors...the same cancer Lachuga and Armstrong got. To be far more recent studies question this link.

Here is a good interview with Strock.
http://velonews.com/article/79
the Coach his lawyer stops him from talking about is Carmichael, who had already settled with Strock.

I wondered if this involved Carmichael, I didn't realize it was minors he was alleged to have drugged. It's hard to overstate how disgusting it is for these men to have lied to minors and injected them with any substance. You have to wonder how he can show his face at the trade shows. Thanks for the links guys.
 

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I wondered if this involved Carmichael, I didn't realize it was minors he was alleged to have drugged. It's hard to overstate how disgusting it is for these men to have lied to minors and injected them with any substance. You have to wonder how he can show his face at the trade shows. Thanks for the links guys.

You have to have evidence before you start accusing individuals of doing things. There is no evidence Carmichael was involved in this in any way. In the UK you get sued for the stuff you guys do here.
 

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Dr. Maserati said:
Perhaps that is why you gave a long explanation that never answers the simple question.

Why should Lance profit - even if it is $0.0002 - from the Livestrong name if as you say it is a charity recognized brand?

He is a multi-millionaire who has amassed vast sums throughout his career.
And in particular when he says his return is all about cancer awareness.

But there are no losers here - the better the charity does the better the companies involved obviously so and naturally this helps Armstrong's stock as well. I don't see why you have such a problem with it. Just be happy Armstrong has raised more money for cancer than you and everybody else here, put together, has ever done.
 
Sprocket01 said:
But there are no losers here - the better the charity does the better the companies involved obviously so and naturally this helps Armstrong's stock as well. I don't see why you have such a problem with it. Just be happy Armstrong has raised more money for cancer than you and everybody else here, put together, has ever done.

I think the point he is making is that Lance is disingenuous. (Phony, if disingenuous is too artful a term.)
 

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Serendipitous!

Lance dopes...contracts cancer...survives cancer...creates the LAF.

Cycle-Doping may someday be partly responsible for curing Cancer who knows.
 
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Sprocket01 said:
You have to have evidence before you start accusing individuals of doing things. There is no evidence Carmichael was involved in this in any way. In the UK you get sued for the stuff you guys do here.

Being sued for signing on to a forum under a pseudonym and discussing things a person is alleged to have done? Now that would surprise me.
 

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And crystal meth may cure toothaches, sinusitis and low productivity at work.

Yes, if a Meth addict survives toothaches - then starts a foundation to defeat toothaches and that leads to a cure for toothaches - then Meth would be a part of that victory yoohoo.

Maybe Whitney can start a cure toothache foundation?

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Sprocket01 said:
You have to have evidence before you start accusing individuals of doing things. There is no evidence Carmichael was involved in this in any way. In the UK you get sued for the stuff you guys do here.

You mean evidence other than the statements of Strock and Kaiter?

In the U.S., Carmichael got sued for the stuff he did here.
 
bianchigirl said:
]Virenque routinely auctioned his bikes to raise money for African causes close to his heart - does that instantly stop him being a winy doper? Hmm, thought not.

However, the cause is ultimately a good one, despite the dubious ends it is put to.[/color]

Still $500,000 for the Hirst 'I'll let a bunch of assistants cover a bike with naff butterfly stickers' horror simply proves some people have way more money than sense or style

pretty sure i'd take the bike over one of his paintings.

derailleur said:
First, that's dirt-cheap for a Hirst,

incorrect.

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and he always has his assistants doing the heavy lifting.

incorrect.

derailleur said:
Second, they weren't stickers. They were the actual wings of actual butterflies, embedded under the clearcoat on the carbon frame. No, I'm not kidding.

Third, the history of art is littered with "more money than sense or style", and still, the prices only go up, never down, once the "abomination" hits the streets.

it's called controlling the market.

why do you think one of the biggest buyers at hirst's auction last year was jay joplin?

derailleur said:
Fourth, game-used + Tour-de-France + Champs-Elysees + podium-finisher + Lance Armstrong. It could've been a band-aid and it would have gone for 6 figures.

Fifth, I believe cancer can be cured, and anyone working for that can work out his personal problems in private.

uh huh. sure.
 
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Of course it's not just Armstrong profiting off Livestrong but all his dubious associates: Carmichael, a man who dopes minors; Bruyneel, nicknamed the Hog because of hsi prodigious use of PEDs; Ferrari, the great blood doper; the ONCE doctors who were implicated in the Festina scandal - every single one of these has profited from their association with the Cancer God and his Brand Livestrong.

Bad people do good things and then other bad people profit - nice.
 

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Would Lance still have come to Ireland at all if he had not been getting an appearence fee for the race. Tour hero and Cancer survivor Lance is coming to Ireland to speak at a cancer summit and race the Tour of Ireland sounds great, but add on he is charging €xxxxxxx to do so leading to the event being shortened doesnt sound so good publicity wise, does it.

It appears he wants it both ways, to be potrayed as an ambassador for an illness, riding for free etc all for cancer awareness but then secretly charging celebrity appearence fees to participate in the sport in which he made his name even though he is already mega wealthy. People are free to decide for themselves on his cancer work. My own opinion is that if you already mega succesful and rich from your own career, you should not be making a buck fronting a charity organisation which you set up yourself and support.

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To answer your question underlined above -imo, no.

When Lance announced his return and in particular his participation in the Tour he announced: (in September 08)
"With this campaign we feel that by racing the bicycle all over the world, beginning in Australia, ending in France at the global summit, it is the best way to promote this initiative, it's the best way to get the word out," said Armstrong.http://www.france24.com/en/20080924-lance-amstrong-2009-tour-de-france-cycling-astana?quicktabs_2=0"

Which was confirmed by LA's agent Mark Higgins, "His first race in the comeback will be the Tour of Australia with the season ending goal of the Tour de France".

The first mention of 'The Summit' being held in Irelandwas in February 09 in the same press release confirming his participation at the Tour of Ireland. This was announced during the Tour of California, where Tour of Ireland organizer Darach McQuaid and his brother Pat were in attendance.
 
I don't have a problem with Mr. Armstrong selling bikes.

What I have a disgust for is celebrities starting their own "Foundations" as a means of boosting their standing in society. There are thousands of perfectly legitimate charities around the world dealing with cancer, why was it necessary to create another one? It ticks me off that Lance can come to Australia, take a state's money and even if it was for the charity, go home with it and do some "awareness" raising. That million bucks would be so much better spent on research/care in SA rather than just giving it to a global brand name.

Sure there's people that may never have donated anything if it weren't for the Lance name, but at the same time there's genuine people who are probably taking their money away from more established and more legitimate causes. Lance makes such a big fuss about spreading the global image of his foundation in the end it's just all about marketing. Something which is a lot more black and white like Paul Newman's work (correct me if I'm wrong?) seems a lot more acceptable.
 
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Why does Australia, Ireland, etc. give big sums of $$$$ to LA to show up and race and talk about whatever? The almighty dollar, euro, peso, yen, franc...!

They may have paid him $2mill to show up but it'd be intersting to see how much money they got in return in terms of publicity, tourism, interest in the race, increased $$ to citites involved, taxes, TV/media coverage, et al.

Australia knew darn well that if they could get LA to debut his "comeback" in their race it would generate HUGE publicity worth way more than what they paid him.

So LA isn't the only one pocketing some change. Both sides get what they want out of it: $$ and publicity.

Now back on topic... the "art" bikes are fugly but they served their purpose too.
 
Hope rides again, Courage, Defiance. I need it all not to buy these products.

Is the Cancer really Nike? I'm confused. See lots of Livestrong and Nike logos but the only awareness I'm gaining is for my dwindling bank balance if I have to buy all these over priced consumables. Think Lance will spot me some of that 3mill he made from race appearances so I can raise my "awareness"?

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Polish said:
Yes, if a Meth addict survives toothaches - then starts a foundation to defeat toothaches and that leads to a cure for toothaches - then Meth would be a part of that victory yoohoo.

Maybe Whitney can start a cure toothache foundation?

whitney-crack-enquirer-1.jpg

If "if's" and 'buts' were candy and nuts, then every day would be christmas, too, whoohoo.