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Scott SoCal said:Scott SoCal wonders the same thing. In fact, Scott SoCal belives something nefarious is going on here.
I agree......
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Scott SoCal said:Scott SoCal wonders the same thing. In fact, Scott SoCal belives something nefarious is going on here.
Skandar Akbar said:Yes I have admitted I have nothing on anybody else. Thus, it is possible all these high speeds, with no positives, were due to coincidence and blood transfusions.
Problem with that is I thought you needed a high powered doc to come up with that program, at least early on. Strange nobody got busted for roids, making agents, T, clen, etc during that time either.
Hugh Januss said:So you're saying that everyone else was making do with blood transfusions and coincidence while Lance (the only one paying off the UCI) was the only one on a super program from a high powered doc? That certainly could account for his superiority then, I think you are on to something there.
Barrus said:Be kind, civil, stop the personal attacks and stay on-topic. The next eprsonal attack, no matter from whom will result in consequences
Hugh Januss said:So you're saying that everyone else was making do with blood transfusions and coincidence while Lance (the only one paying off the UCI) was the only one on a super program from a high powered doc? That certainly could account for his superiority then, I think you are on to something there.
Hugh Januss said:I think his question was legit, just off by 180 degrees. He seems to have a real problem understanding my questions and I have a hard enough time trying to bring him up to speed even without you eliminating his posts just as I am trying to respond to them.
Cobblestoned said:This is the second time you have attributed docs post to him. He said nobody got caught due to autologous blood transfusions not being detectable. He pointed out that it was strange nobody of any significance got busted for anything during that time.
So, he thinks doc is saying since the clairvoyant UCI lady didn't mention anybody else paying off the UCI, LA was the only one that did and the speeds were still high and nobody got caught due to autologous blood transfusions. It's pretty funny those idiots went back to the detectable stuff after LA retired lol. He is trying not to think of pesky little facts such as that because it makes him look stupid pointing out holes in docs fact story. Plus you would read that 180 degrees opposite that it is written in plain english.
Look, he is in learning mode here. Please read carefully because he has little spare brainpower to constantly be correcting you.
Cobblestoned said:This is the second time you have attributed docs post to him. He said nobody got caught due to autologous blood transfusions not being detectable. He pointed out that it was strange nobody of any significance got busted for anything during that time.
So, he thinks doc is saying since the clairvoyant UCI lady didn't mention anybody else paying off the UCI, LA was the only one that did and the speeds were still high and nobody got caught due to autologous blood transfusions. It's pretty funny those idiots went back to the detectable stuff after LA retired lol. He is trying not to think of pesky little facts such as that because it makes him look stupid pointing out holes in docs fact story. Plus you would read that 180 degrees opposite that it is written in plain english.
Look, he is in learning mode here. Please read carefully because he has little spare brainpower to constantly be correcting you.
Cobblestoned said:This is the second time you have attributed docs post to him. He said nobody got caught due to autologous blood transfusions not being detectable. He pointed out that it was strange nobody of any significance got busted for anything during that time.
So, he thinks doc is saying since the clairvoyant UCI lady didn't mention anybody else paying off the UCI, LA was the only one that did and the speeds were still high and nobody got caught due to autologous blood transfusions. It's pretty funny those idiots went back to the detectable stuff after LA retired lol. He is trying not to think of pesky little facts such as that because it makes him look stupid pointing out holes in docs fact story. Plus you would read that 180 degrees opposite that it is written in plain english.
Look, he is in learning mode here. Please read carefully because he has little spare brainpower to constantly be correcting you.
Hugh Januss said:Well it seems to me that the Doc and you......I mean Skandar are saying the same thing then.
1. Everyone was using blood transfusions. check
2. No one that we know of other than Lance had any "arrangement" with the UCI. check
3. Lance due to this exclusive arrangement was able to use more advantageous methods of doping than everyone else. check
Maybe Lance never told anybody that he was protected by UCI and they thought they could use all the same drugs he was and not get caught?
Skandar Akbar said:It's no big deal. The eloquence in cobblestoned's post makes me wish I had written it myself. My bad for the attack.
Dr. Maserati said:...Verbruggen and McQuaid - who confirmed LA gave donations...
Skandar Akbar said:Yes I have admitted I have nothing on anybody else. Thus, it is possible all these high speeds, with no positives, were due to coincidence and blood transfusions.
Problem with that is I thought you needed a high powered doc to come up with that program, at least early on. Strange nobody got busted for roids, making agents, T, clen, etc during that time either.
Hugh Januss said:Well it seems to me that the Doc and you......I mean Skandar are saying the same thing then.
1. Everyone was using blood transfusions. check
2. No one that we know of other than Lance had any "arrangement" with the UCI. check
3. Lance due to this exclusive arrangement was able to use more advantageous methods of doping than everyone else. check
Maybe Lance never told anybody that he was protected by UCI and they thought they could use all the same drugs he was and not get caught?
Skandar Akbar said:1. No I did not say that. Doc said that.
2. Agreed. We publicly know of nobody else giving donations. I stress the word publicly.
3. That is your conclusion. I never said that nor do I agree with that statement.
Glenn_Wilson said:He’s the guy that everyone else hates. If you had a dollar for every time you heard someone slander the idea of a penis within his oral vicinity you’d have enough money to pay your own way to the TDF, and maybe a couple of your buddies.
Hugh Januss said:Well it sure seems to me like you were in agreement with the doc on the transfusion thing and the special program for Lance thing, but I am a simple man and maybe the nuances of your position have eluded me. I am sorry if that is the case.
Barrus said:Could you use a bit more female friendly terms the next time? She is quite a well respected person
Skandar Akbar said:Yes, my apolgies. I was ribbing doc because I knew it bothered him. Sorry.
'Well respected' is an opinion and is irrelevant in the matter at hand. She does not know every behind the scenes payoff for cover that may or may not take place. And the $ amount she quotes is unverifiable and in dispute.
Dr. Maserati said:It didn't bother me - I quite liked that you weren't afraid to show your sexism and bias - it's easier to try to degrade her than dismiss what she says.
Oh, but she knew about Lances - and she was a lot closer (which she qualified with "to the best of my understanding") then Lance or even McQuaid were.
Again since Verbruggen was so enthusiastic to say Lance 'donated' why not reveal others who had too?
Skandar Akbar said:There is no way I am sexist. My mother is a woman.
Yes, she knew about LA's donation. So what?
I haven't the foggiest idea why Verbruggen does some things and not others. I don't pick and choose his words to support my argument like you do. Tomorrow you will be saying he is a liar to support your position.
Dr. Maserati said:It is difficult to take your questions seriously when you suggest that a piece does not say what you requested when you take a key point out of it - this is what RR said:
Originally Posted by Race Radio
EPO, like all doping, effects each rider in different ways. There are multiple studies that confirm this, like this one http://www.haematologica.org/cgi/reprint/86/2/128.pdf.
....which you acknowledge with:
"Except for one sentence mentioning that certain parameters of reticulocyte formation show large inter-individual variation."
The blue is a strawman, you want others to prove a point that you brought up.
EPO is not a magic pill that guarantees that you will climb better by X% or TT better by Y% - it is a PED that raises oxygen delivery, it is up to the individual what they concentrate on.
LA post cancer rode the Classics as 'training' to peak for his only goal of the season, the TdF.