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No, he had no reason. The guy showed he has no class at all! They've not played that anthem because of him, but for the Giro champion Alberto Contador, and he should of payed respect to him at least.
He feels Spain is not his country, ok, but his gesture would be appropriate ONLY if he was the winner and anthem is played in his honor. This way he only showed that he has no respect for anybody. CLASSLESS!
hrotha said:
No, he had no reason. The guy showed he has no class at all! They've not played that anthem because of him, but for the Giro champion Alberto Contador, and he should of payed respect to him at least.
He feels Spain is not his country, ok, but his gesture would be appropriate ONLY if he was the winner and anthem is played in his honor. This way he only showed that he has no respect for anybody. CLASSLESS!
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I have NO IDEA as to why Basques are pissed at the rest of Spain. No idea. I've asked multiple times as to why they feel such deep-seeded hatred toward their own folk and, to this day, not a single person has been able to articulate a somewhat logical explanation for that hate.
It's like Nazi's hate for Jews. It was irrational. It can't be explained, that's why ANY attempt at doing so pretty much refutes their motives and lays bare their true nature: Nazis were beasts, animals.
Now, is it OK for Nazis to be confused with Germans? No. Why? Because not all Nazis were German and not all Germans were Nazis. In the case of the Basque Country, anything goes. All is dump in the pot of hatred: Franco, Spain, the Spanish flag, the king, the queen, the peseta, anything goes.
SO, it shouldn't come as a surprise that someone like Landa, who hails from such a peace-loving part of the world, would be f*cking polite enough to take his hat off.
Mr.White said:
I have NO IDEA as to why Basques are pissed at the rest of Spain. No idea. I've asked multiple times as to why they feel such deep-seeded hatred toward their own folk and, to this day, not a single person has been able to articulate a somewhat logical explanation for that hate.
It's like Nazi's hate for Jews. It was irrational. It can't be explained, that's why ANY attempt at doing so pretty much refutes their motives and lays bare their true nature: Nazis were beasts, animals.
Now, is it OK for Nazis to be confused with Germans? No. Why? Because not all Nazis were German and not all Germans were Nazis. In the case of the Basque Country, anything goes. All is dump in the pot of hatred: Franco, Spain, the Spanish flag, the king, the queen, the peseta, anything goes.
SO, it shouldn't come as a surprise that someone like Landa, who hails from such a peace-loving part of the world, would be f*cking polite enough to take his hat off.
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Did you hear about Peter's law? Peter's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability that someone is going to mention Godwin's law grows exponentially.
Swifty's Cakes said:
Did you hear about Peter's law? Peter's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability that someone is going to mention Godwin's law grows exponentially.
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I thought Peter's law was that a person will be promoted to their level of incompetence.The_Cheech said:
Red Rick said:
I must say, I liked the guy to start with, and felt sorry for his somewhat invidious position. I was even quite pleased to see his first stage win. But his attitude, although understandable to some extent, has been a total turn off. 'It could have been me' is really rather arrogant, and easy to say after the event. The only way to answer such a question without looking bitter and petulant is by your actions. I hope he grows up a bit with more experience.
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The Basque Country has never been a nation, hence they never had a Basque "nationality" per se. There is a cultural reality that crosses borders into other Spanish Comunidades Autónomas, and even other countries, that can be mistaken with identity, but the reality of it is that the "national identity" that the Basques refer to was created by Sabino Arana Goiri in his garden some time in the middle 1800s.
The use of ETA was political in nature.
So... me telling you that your state has never been a nation and that it's the PP that uses ETA for their political purposes is reason enough (or a "grievance") for Basques to be pissed at the WHOLE of Spain?
Do you have any idea how absurd you sound?
hrotha said:
The Basque Country has never been a nation, hence they never had a Basque "nationality" per se. There is a cultural reality that crosses borders into other Spanish Comunidades Autónomas, and even other countries, that can be mistaken with identity, but the reality of it is that the "national identity" that the Basques refer to was created by Sabino Arana Goiri in his garden some time in the middle 1800s.
The use of ETA was political in nature.
So... me telling you that your state has never been a nation and that it's the PP that uses ETA for their political purposes is reason enough (or a "grievance") for Basques to be pissed at the WHOLE of Spain?
Do you have any idea how absurd you sound?
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Much of Spain denies Euskal Herria is a nation, just like you're doing, and hence doesn't respect it or its symbols. Yes, that's a perfectly good reason to repay the rest of Spain in like to make a point.
ETA isn't only exploited by the PP. No need to go further than the OP to see that card being played.
I'm not Basque.The_Cheech said:
Much of Spain denies Euskal Herria is a nation, just like you're doing, and hence doesn't respect it or its symbols. Yes, that's a perfectly good reason to repay the rest of Spain in like to make a point.
ETA isn't only exploited by the PP. No need to go further than the OP to see that card being played.
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Not really. Legally, there's little room for an actual referendum without changing the Spanish constitution first, which would require a separate Spain-wide referendum. Besides, Scotland could try because the United Kingdom allowed them to. No Spanish government would do the same, as it would be political suicide.
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Assuming it's deliberate : he's young, he's a sports person, he's from such part of the world, with all that I can almost understand his action. Being young may explain his spontaneity, and being an athlete often makes one identify him/herself with your background in a more emotional and straightforward way. At least he didn't do anything embarassing.
He's not a politician nor a historian, and most of us don't really know what kind of political upbringing he grows up in, I imagine it's tempting for most upcoming athlete from area with aspiration for independence to express his sentiment on some stage, he is learning his way. You can't compare his with Aru's gesture, and if I were Contador it wouldn't bother me at all, his 'should be me' comment is stronger than this.
He's not a politician nor a historian, and most of us don't really know what kind of political upbringing he grows up in, I imagine it's tempting for most upcoming athlete from area with aspiration for independence to express his sentiment on some stage, he is learning his way. You can't compare his with Aru's gesture, and if I were Contador it wouldn't bother me at all, his 'should be me' comment is stronger than this.
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To be fair the UK Government didn't have a choice really as the SNP comfortably held power in the Scottish Parliament, voted in with a manifesto that included a vote on Independence. Incidentally, Spain was one of the countries that came out and spoke very strongly against Scotland gaining independence with the Basque 'problem' in mind.
Anyway, back to Landa. I've no idea what his political thoughts are. And, he's young and I'm hoping he just got caught up in the moment of the podium. If this is being discussed on here, an English speaking forum, I'd be very interested to hear from some of our Spanish members how it is being reported and responded to in Spain..
hrotha said:
To be fair the UK Government didn't have a choice really as the SNP comfortably held power in the Scottish Parliament, voted in with a manifesto that included a vote on Independence. Incidentally, Spain was one of the countries that came out and spoke very strongly against Scotland gaining independence with the Basque 'problem' in mind.
Anyway, back to Landa. I've no idea what his political thoughts are. And, he's young and I'm hoping he just got caught up in the moment of the podium. If this is being discussed on here, an English speaking forum, I'd be very interested to hear from some of our Spanish members how it is being reported and responded to in Spain..
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If intentional, I have no issue with it and I don't see it as a mark of disrespect towards Contador.
Last year we had James McLean while playing for Wigan refusing to wear the poppy and there was a bit of uproar about it when in fact he had a perfectly good reason for doing so.
I welcome guys who don't compromise their beliefs in the face of the status quo or traditional situations all due to well reasoned principles that they believe in.
Last year we had James McLean while playing for Wigan refusing to wear the poppy and there was a bit of uproar about it when in fact he had a perfectly good reason for doing so.
I welcome guys who don't compromise their beliefs in the face of the status quo or traditional situations all due to well reasoned principles that they believe in.
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Good for you.
That's because it isn't. Check google if you don't believe me.
No, you see, you're turning the attention to me when in reality the fact that you just created a fictitious country and legitimized its existence is what ought to be underlined with a WTF! In any other country you would be quickly labeled a looney tune if you said that people have to recognize the existence of a country that does not exist.
No it isn't. Euskal Herria is nothing but a cultural entity that now seeks to be recognized politically without going through the proper lawfully recognized channels. Do you want independence? Fine, let's all vote and see what happens. I've always said that the worst thing that could happen to Basque or Catalonian nationalists would be to find out that there are more Basque and Catalonian nationalists outside of the Basque Country and Catalonia than in them. Well, I wouldn't call them "nationalists" per se, more like "expulsionists," but the end result would be the same (both parts separate).
You're not answering my question, how is the political exploitation of a terrorist group, by whomever, reason enough for someone to get up one day and say "you know what? I f*cking hate their guts!".
hrotha said:
Good for you.
That's because it isn't. Check google if you don't believe me.
No, you see, you're turning the attention to me when in reality the fact that you just created a fictitious country and legitimized its existence is what ought to be underlined with a WTF! In any other country you would be quickly labeled a looney tune if you said that people have to recognize the existence of a country that does not exist.
No it isn't. Euskal Herria is nothing but a cultural entity that now seeks to be recognized politically without going through the proper lawfully recognized channels. Do you want independence? Fine, let's all vote and see what happens. I've always said that the worst thing that could happen to Basque or Catalonian nationalists would be to find out that there are more Basque and Catalonian nationalists outside of the Basque Country and Catalonia than in them. Well, I wouldn't call them "nationalists" per se, more like "expulsionists," but the end result would be the same (both parts separate).
You're not answering my question, how is the political exploitation of a terrorist group, by whomever, reason enough for someone to get up one day and say "you know what? I f*cking hate their guts!".
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