Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[theswordsman]

I love it. I LOVE IT! FLOYD YOU GLORIOUS *******!

Is that a Patton quote from the movie?

 

[ProfTournesol]

Hopefully the UCI has used the time between FL informing them and this becoming public to gather some useful information. Hopefully this hasn't become public prematurely and LA can get nailed. Floyd was never too smart

 

[Roland Rat]

Don't forget the AMGEN Tour Of California....

They must be really really pleased with all this extra attention and on their products too- do they give away 'goodie bags' at the finish?

Must do. Floyd has shown why the Giro couldn't be used for prep for the TDF. AMGEN clearly moved the ToC so it could provide a full one-stop-shop, drugs and race training in one!

 

[BroDeal]

AAHAHAHAHA

Floyd Landis
Planning something for 2010 that will change the cycling world forever!
5 Months Ago

I love it. I LOVE IT! FLOYD YOU GLORIOUS *******!

If he has been planning this for a while then he should have called his old teammates and recorded the calls, possibly with the help of the federal agent.

 

[issoisso]

Why does Floyd love cancer?

 

[Jamsque]

Why does Floyd love cancer?

The enemy of his enemy is his friend, I guess.

 

[theswordsman]

Hopefully the UCI has used the time between FL informing them and this becoming public to gather some useful information. Hopefully this hasn't become public prematurely and LA can get nailed. Floyd was never too smart

Was the UCI mentioned as being in the loop?

 

[python]

memory slowly comes back.

hasn't flandis always been one of only few who dared to stand up to armstrong ?

forgot the essence but he said something in the olde days.

 

[BroDeal]

One thing that FLandis should do is to detail how saline infusions were used to beat the doping tests and then tie it in with Astana's infusion kits found at last year's Tour. Put media pressure on the agency to move forward with the investigation.

 

[Berzin]

Does this mean Alejandro Valverde will get to ride the Tour this year?

 

[markene2]

I dont know if anyone else has published this story, but in norway they have

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://msn.tv2sporten.no/sykkel/landis-beskylder-armstrong-for-doping-3211279.html&sl=no&tl=en

 

[rata de sentina]

blackcat is spot on. This is the fruits of hubris. The great comeback, the big appearance fees and the ¨noble cause¨ by the ignoble. This was all salt in the wounds of FL it would have had to fester away. It sounds like this has been brewing for a while probably kicked off by last year.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

where's joe papp

He's aware of it. Reading the same things we are guys, and will post in time, I'm sure.

Interestingly enough, when I interviewed Joe late last year, he was somewhat sympathetic to Floyd's plight. Topic comes up about 26 minutes in, to hear it in Joe's words: Link here.

 

[Fourier]

One thing that FLandis should do is to detail how saline infusions were used to beat the doping tests and then tie it in with Astana's infusion kits found at last year's Tour. Put media pressure on the agency to move forward with the investigation.

Maybe even turn up some used syringes from the postal era that he kept on a beer can all these years.
Also give details on scheduling of racing and coupling with the dope program. How does someone peak for the TDF every year for 7 years straight?
Who within postal was on the loop and who and how some in the second tier were kept out of it.
Also Hog/Rihs suppliers of the dope, I mean buying that much dope how the hell don't they raise a red flag?

 

[Franklin]

I dont know if anyone else has published this story, but in norway they have

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://msn.tv2sporten.no/sykkel/landis-beskylder-armstrong-for-doping-3211279.html&sl=no&tl=en

Without proof that won't stick. It's as damning as the famous phone-transcript... it proves nothing.

And yes, you got to be the blindest idiot around not to see that Lance is a cheater, but this tidbit won't change that much.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

If he does want to change the sport he has to come out and speak up...

How far does he need to go though - is admitting his own action and then not denying DZ's enough? Admitting his own actions and a "no comment" about DZ would give Flandis a lot of credibility....or what about "DZ never tested positive, should be judged by the same standards of "clean" as other riders during that era, rides clean now"....

Changes will happen as long as Landis has some credibility, even if all the riders he names don't get sanctioned.....if Flandis has any credibility, the cancer of cycling gets excised.

Of course, if there is any chance that sanctions will result from Flandis' info, they should just pay the piper and fess up now.......

 

[theswordsman]

For the latecomers

However, Landis said he finally decided to come forward because he was suffering psychologically and emotionally from years of deceit, and because he has become a cycling pariah with little to no chance of ever riding for an elite team again.

"I want to clear my conscience," Landis said. "I don't want to be part of the problem any more."

According to Landis, his first use of performance-enhancing drugs was in June 2002, when he was a member of the U.S. Postal Service team. The World Anti-Doping Agency's statute of limitations for doping offenses is eight years, and Landis said that, too, is part of his motivation for divulging his inflammatory information.

"Now we've come to the point where the statute of limitations on the things I know is going to run out or start to run out next month," Landis said. "If I don't say something now then it's pointless to ever say it."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=5203604&type=story

 

[Roland Rat]

How far does he need to go though - is admitting his own action and then not denying DZ's enough? Admitting his own actions and a "no comment" about DZ would give Flandis a lot of credibility....or what about "DZ never tested positive, should be judged by the same standards of "clean" as other riders during that era, rides clean now"....

Changes will happen as long as Landis has some credibility, even if all the riders he names don't get sanctioned.....if Flandis has any credibility, the cancer of cycling gets excised.

Of course, if there is any chance that sanctions will result from Flandis' info, they should just pay the piper and fess up now.......

I think a joint press conference where they admit to having made mistakes in the past, but are now in the right environment where they can control their own destiny. DZ may lose the ToC as a result, but it may be a price worth paying.

Although it'd be ironic if DZ did quit the ToC as some kind of pennance, only to hand it to Lie-pheimer.

 

[rata de sentina]

Given the amounts of money involved there has to be some kind of trail. Illegal international currency trades could be a criminal angle on some of this. The only way this is going to go somewhere is from a law enforcement approach. Otherwise it will be damage control spin from the sports powers that be.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'm sure there will be both heavy denials, and attacks of Landis, by the LA army. But anyone looking into it with an open mind will detect a serious ring of truth in Floyd's words. Especially what he says about the first person he admitted everything to was his mother.

Three things could keep this from mostly boiling over and sink the ship.

1) If others talk, and verify enough of what Floyd is saying. JV, Tyler, DZ, Frankie and others should now come clean. Not to sink Lance, or USPS, or anyone, but to tell the truth for themselves, and give credence to Floyd's honesty because it's the right thing to do.

2) The FBI or DOJ get involved and get serious about it.

3) Another bit of evidence is unearthed. Be that by USADA, the feds, or the 2009 Astana drip bags come back with a DNA match.

 

[trompe le monde]

First thing I did when I got up was read this thread through. Hilarity.

Also, I am interested to see that ESPN's headline is "Landis admits using PEDs through most of career" and not "Landis accuses Armstrong of being massive ****er"

Yeah, there seem to be two versions of the story - reuters Canada and a few others frame the story as being Landis only without opening the larger Pandora's box.

Anyway, time for some Lance jokes:

[Rodney Dangerfield] I tell ya Lance gets no respect. Before he announced his comeback he called up Dr. Ferrari and asked "Michele, how many bags of blood do I need to bank in order to win the tour?' The Doctor answered, "Lance, the human body only has 10 pints of blood. What you want requires 10 litres!"


I tell ya Lance gets no respect. Last year at the Giro he showed up in Venice at the hotel and asked the desk which room is his. The general manager said "Lance, you're early. The Gran Fondo isn't for another six weeks."[/Rodney Dangerfield]

 

[timmers]

First thing I did when I got up was read this thread through. Hilarity.

Also, I am interested to see that ESPN's headline is "Landis admits using PEDs through most of career" and not "Landis accuses Armstrong of being massive ****er"

So Floyd is the one bad apple? You, of course, forget that there is documented evidence that Armstrong doped but that it was not admissable under UCI rules.

I hope Floyd is finally feeling better as the cheating must have been terrible to carry around. I always wondered why his father-in-law committed suicide.

 

[BroDeal]

Also give details on scheduling of racing and coupling with the dope program. How does someone peak for the TDF every year for 7 years straight?

That is a good idea. It might explain much about why racing schedules were the way they were. Above I posted that if Landis withdrew 2.5 liters of blood then it would explain why the Tour team could never race the Giro. The details might provide some level of corroboration..

 

[Fourier]

At least DZ has a legitimate business to fall back on. Maybe LA should have crafted his own cream to support him after spending all of his fortune in his legal defence. I doubt he'll get to the point of crashing on Chechu Rubiera's couch though.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

How far does he need to go though - is admitting his own action and then not denying DZ's enough? Admitting his own actions and a "no comment" about DZ would give Flandis a lot of credibility....or what about "DZ never tested positive, should be judged by the same standards of "clean" as other riders during that era, rides clean now"....

Changes will happen as long as Landis has some credibility, even if all the riders he names don't get sanctioned.....if Flandis has any credibility, the cancer of cycling gets excised.

Of course, if there is any chance that sanctions will result from Flandis' info, they should just pay the piper and fess up now.......

If Garmin are clean (or JV believes they are clean) then he needs to back up Floyds comments that there was a doping programme within USPS.

He actually doesn't have to explain it himself - but he has to back Floyds actions.

If DZ doped gefore Garmin than he has to walk the plank - smart move would be to say it was a long time ago and co-operate.