Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Fourier]

They certainly will if the feds start talking to people.

I don't know how much of this actually played out in the USA. I think they kept their operation in Girona or somewhere else. I'll be a question of jurisdiction.

 

[theswordsman]

Im guessing he wont stop and RS and LA for max affect???? Im not stupid to think there isnt a Aussie thats doing dirty deads but I can live in hope/niaevity

The one article said he named dozens of riders, plus managers and owners. The only names I've seen so far are Armstrong, Hincapie, Lei[heimer, and Zabriskie.

 

[BroDeal]

On the one hand, an amnesty would let guys like DZ admit their past mistakes and carry on racing clean now. On the other, it would also let Armstrong, Bruyneel et al off the hook.

They would be off the hook as far as the sport goes, but Armstrong would be utterly destroyed in the public's eyes. He has been lying to people with terminal disease to enrich himself. That sort of stigma does not go away.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

If he doesn't he will get his 2 (or possibly 4) years.

There is too much **** flying around - Floyd has pulled the pin and has caught everyone. This story is bigger than Puerto and bigger than Festina - in the US probably only BALCO beats it.

Someone will break, they always do.

You really think people will get sanctioned as a result of Floyd's info? Maybe. In which case like I said before I think DZ needs to fess up now. This all looks to me more like a credibility/PR contest than something that will result in charges or sanctions.

Perhaps I'm being cynical, but it just seems like there are so many examples where there is quite a bit of evidence and nothing gets done, so I don't expect this to be much different.

 

[joe_papp]

Ehhh, why not just wait until Landis explains what's up?

 

[Franklin]

Why the hell are you saying that to me
I have never denied that Lance is a doper?
My english is bad and therfor my points are not so clear

It was directed towards the news, not so much anyone here

 

[Jamsque]

PAPP SIGHTING.

Everyone take a shot.


Also, can DZ really come out and tell all today? He is wearing the leader's jersey at the fourth Grand Tour, for goodness' sake! AMGEN will be ****ed as all hell.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Actually the part I think is interesting is not the details, it's the dairies. If that's true then as Publicus said it lends enormous credibility to what would otherwise be an unsubstantiated allegation.

"There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the process of writing into an intelligible story," Landis wrote in an e-mail addressed principally to USA Cycling chief executive Steven Johnson."

Actually - I find the bit about Steve Johnson the most interesting, the letter was written to him 'principally'.

The letters started April 30th - thats almost 3 weeks ago - so what has Johnson done/or been doing in the meantime? If USAC were taking this seriously why is it they are not breaking the story?

I think Floyd has USAC and Johnson over a barrell.

 

[Juan Pelota]

Did you guys catch that Landis still says he didn't take testosterone during the 2006 tour, but that he was on HGH...

'As for his own positive test, Landis still maintains the result was inaccurate and he had not used synthetic testosterone during the 2006 season -- although he now admits he used human growth hormone during that time. At this point, he does not want to dwell on any of the issues he and his lawyers hammered at during his case, he said.

"There must be some other explanation, whether it was done wrong or I don't know what," he said.

"The problem I have with even bothering to argue it is [that] I have used testosterone in the past and I have used it in other Tours, and it's going to sound kind of foolish to say I didn't.'

 

[BroDeal]

Ehhh, why not just wait until Landis explains what's up?

Because it is fun to speculate as the news dirbbles out.

 

[Cerberus]

PAPP SIGHTING.

Everyone take a shot.


Also, can DZ really come out and tell all today? He is wearing the leader's jersey at the fourth Grand Tour, for goodness' sake! AMGEN will be ****ed as all hell.

"I would like to thank AMGEN for their sponsorship, without their hard work and support I wouldn't be where I am today".

 

[feepish]

vaughters comments in nytimes:

“I don’t know what it’s in the head of Floyd Landis, what his motivations are, but I think Dave just wants to get on with this race,” Vaughters said of Zabriskie, who is in the overall lead, with four stages to go. “Dave can with this race. He can win this race clean, under any level of scrutiny. I think that’s what he’d like to get on with.”

 

[AWill88]

McQuaid

http://uk.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUKTRE64J1OK20100520

However, the timing of the American's announcement was questioned by UCI president Pat McQuaid.

"He probably needed to get it off his chest. Why is he announcing it in the week of the Tour of California?" McQuaid told Reuters. "He must have an agenda."

USADA RESPONSIBILITY

McQuaid added that Landis's fate was now in the hands of American anti-doping authorities.

"USADA (U.S. Anti-Doping Agency) will now look into this," McQuaid said.

 

[Roland Rat]

Calling for an amnesty would also be a good idea.

Hell. Yes.

Fat Pat defenders have said that he is wanting to make the sport clean, but has to be careful about how he does it without damaging the sport too much. Well Pat, if that is your intention, here is the watershed moment you are looking for. Catch the big fish, the biggest of them all. Use it as a line in the sand. This is it, no more. Amensty for all those who will come forward and provide details of who, how, when and where. Weed out the suppliers/"coaches". Re-write drug testing procedures based on evidence gained.

This is your moment, Pat. Do not let it go.

 

[Cerberus]

Actually - I find the bit about Steve Johnson the most interesting, the letter was written to him 'principally'.

The letters started April 30th - thats almost 3 weeks ago - so what has Johnson done/or been doing in the meantime? If USAC were taking this seriously why is it they are not breaking the story?

I think Floyd has USAC and Johnson over a barrell.

Possibly, a proper investigation can take time though and clearly it would be improper for Johnson to go public with unproven allegations. I'm not saying that he has initiated such an investigation, simply that the fact that he hasn't gone public is not in itself damning.

 

[flyor64]

Did you guys catch that Landis still says he didn't take testosterone during the 2006 tour, but that he was on HGH...

'As for his own positive test, Landis still maintains the result was inaccurate and he had not used synthetic testosterone during the 2006 season -- although he now admits he used human growth hormone during that time. At this point, he does not want to dwell on any of the issues he and his lawyers hammered at during his case, he said.

"There must be some other explanation, whether it was done wrong or I don't know what," he said.

"The problem I have with even bothering to argue it is [that] I have used testosterone in the past and I have used it in other Tours, and it's going to sound kind of foolish to say I didn't.'

It's all over the internet now...I can't find this quote...

Can you link the article please?

 

[BroDeal]

Vaugter's comments...

That is the non-denial denial. Perhaps a good sign.

 

[Ferminal]

This is so beautiful. We've had a great Giro, and now this. Landis dragging them all down. It's magnificent. I love this sport.

The driver pretended to have engine trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the entire team could have half a liter of blood added," Landis wrote. "This was the only time that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the other riders and bus driver."

Read that from the NYT article, that is AMAZING and shows how rife systematic doping (every single team member) is on Hogstrong teams.

 

[Roland Rat]

You're quite right. But there's a reason for that.

Armstrong has (literally) destroyed the personal lives and careers of several people who dared tell the truth. The others haven't.

Not to mention fleeced millions of fans out of cash, including (most despicably) millions of cancer survivors/fighters, on the back of a lie. He deserves to rot in hell through that alone.

 

[Jamsque]

McQuaid

http://uk.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUKTRE64J1OK20100520

Boy, I cannot wait to watch the USADA screw the pooch on this one.

 

[Juan Pelota]

It's all over the internet now...I can't find this quote...

Can you link the article please?

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604


Floyd saying he didn't take test in 2006, but hgh

 

[theswordsman]

It's all over the internet now...I can't find this quote...

Can you link the article please?

I Googled one sentence of it and got the ESPN article again - didn't double check the rest.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604

 

[thehog]

I like the bit about having many, many more details! This should keep going for weeks!

I've been waiting for LA to get his comuppence, I plan to drink at this fountain for as long as possible!

With more to come:

"There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the process of writing into an intelligible story," Landis wrote in an e-mail addressed principally to USA Cycling chief executive Steven Johnson.

 

[Kristian]

Will this stick without solid evidence? The people Landis have implicated has a lot of resources. They can easily have a long smear campaign against Landis, and deny any involvement. I reckon Landis needs solid evidence or that someone confirms his story.

This is Steffen Kjærgaards take on the situation:

I do not know me against that Floyd allegedly saying here. When I came to the team, I was certainly not envisaged doping in any way. This culture is completely alien to me, "says Kjærgaard to VG Nett Thursday morning.

- Is this bad for you?

- Yes, but it is uncomfortable. But most of all I get upset about an old ghost that is pulled out. If there is ANY truth in any of this, I must have been inside the hell of naive, "says Kjærgaard to VG Nett.

Still believe Armstrong was clean

He has always thought that Lance Armstrong has been dope-free throughout his career. That attitude he stands by.

- I have no reason to believe otherwise.

- And you can with hand on heart say that you never cheated in the course of his career?

- That's right. I belonged in no way in the world presented in this story, says Steffen Kjærgaard.

http://www.vg.no/sport/sykkel/artikkel.php?artid=10006873

Dag Otto Lauritzen take on the situation:
- Not many have been tested as much as Lance

TV 2 bike expert Dag Otto Lauritzen is glad that Landis tour four years after the scandal admits lies.

- It is good that Landis ultimately at last admitted doping. All have been sure that he has done it, but he has denied it the whole time, "said Lauritzen told Dagbladet.

No credibility

- The credibility of Landis is not high, to say the least. He has lied throughout his career. He may be trying to excuse himself, "said TV commentator 2.

- I do not think there are so many that have been tested as much as Lance, it would be strange if it's true. He had nothing to gain by making a comeback, says Lautritzen.

- You believe that Armstrong has always been clean?

- There are many who suspect Lance because he's done inhuman results. He is never been caught, and I can not understand that he is so stupid that he makes a comeback after so many years and have everything to lose. It is an indication.

53-year-old Lauritzen find it strange that Landis implicates others the second when he first admitted doping.

- This is only allegations and excuses. I think it is good that Landis comes out, and no longer believes he is innocent convicted. When he was caught I thought it was sad, but it is good that he was taken.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/05/20/.../sykkel/tour_de_france/floyd_landis/11788448/

 

[sportzchick]

Not to mention fleeced millions of fans out of cash, including (most despicably) millions of cancer survivors/fighters, on the back of a lie. He deserves to rot in hell through that alone.

what lie?

AS someone thats followed it from the other side of the world i havent got every detail

Im not a LA lover or a hater - hes a Meh rider for me