Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[issoisso]

So either a) deny it all and live in fear of what else might come out of this; or b) accept it as you say and get a probably-career-ending ban?

Nice position to be in. Good luck with that DZ.

Option 3: The Riis method. Admit to everything but say it all stopped exactly on date X, where X "just happens" to be the last day before the statute of limitations applies.

if it keep on raining, the levy's gonna break..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6C_5wxkuAQ

 

[Ferminal]

Garmin-Transfusions
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Best Modern Cheaters Racing Team
Sky High Professional Racing Team

 

[rolfrae]

So either a) deny it all and live in fear of what else might come out of this; or b) accept it as you say and get a probably-career-ending ban?

Nice position to be in. Good luck with that DZ.

Yeah, that race leader's jersey he has might be the last he ever gets.

 

[dickwrench]

I think we all need to calm down here and let the grownups with negative drug test record speak up. They are now asleep with a calm concious and will deal with the rambling of desparate Landis trying to make a buck since he cheated. That is all for now.

 

[2beacoup]

A former teammate of mine used to race for a Pro Team that is not named (yet) here, several years ago. He told me a story where a very popular and still active and successful rider tested positive and his D.S. (former doper) went to Lausanne with some cash that sorted things out. He (my friend) is an extremely talented rider (several international titles as a junior) and we shared a lot of cycling experiences in our junior days and I believe him that he stayed clean. (He has yet to find a new team after they didn't extend his contract after two years.) He told me a lot of these insider stories and I have i different view of professional cycling since then. That UCI bribing story was just the tip of the iceberg, though. All I can say is that professional cycling is (still) f**ked!

 

[Jamsque]

I honestly think it would be a damn shame if this ruined DZ's career, I genuinely believe that he is racing clean now. His drop-off in results and climbing ability when he moved to Garmin would seem to support that.

 

[BroDeal]

So either a) deny it all and live in fear of what else might come out of this; or b) accept it as you say and get a probably-career-ending ban?

Nice position to be in. Good luck with that DZ.

One year ban if he cooperates.

Over at Velosnooze's forum the SoCal guys are saying that Floyd turning states evidence has been word on the street for a month and that it involves more than just Landis.

 

[2beacoup]

A word to Flandis: I never was a fan of him but couldn't thank him enough for coming clean after all. It's a shame how this sport is slowly destroying itself.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I honestly think it would be a damn shame if this ruined DZ's career, I genuinely believe that he is racing clean now. His drop-off in results and climbing ability when he moved to Garmin would seem to support that.

I don't share that - although I don't like to see someones career destroyed - but ultimatley if you do the crime you do the time.

If he wants a quick return then it sounds like USADA will be keen to hear his story.

Its showtime - for DZ, JV, everybody..........if they are serious about moving towards a cleaner sport then they have to admit all, to do anything less continues the cycle of denial.

Its time to piss or get off the pot.
If

 

[Bala Verde]

He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

I was asked to ride the Vuelta a Espana that year in support of Roberto
Heras and in August, between the Tour and the Vuelta, was told to take EPO
to raise my hematocrit back up so more blood transfusions could be
performed.

The
second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of
a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine
trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the
entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time
that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the
other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong, George
Hincapie and I as the only Americans.

UCI implicated in a cover up. Fad McTwatter must feel offended.

Anyone thinking the other outcast, Roberto Heras, will corroborate parts of the story?

So a team transfusion can be done in about an hour. Anyone remember the 'coffee incident'?

 

[Sasquatch]

Armstrong and Bruyneel are cancer to cycling. Time they get fried!

 

[rgmerk]

An interesting sideline

If there ends up being solid evidence against Matt White, this might spread beyond cycling.

Jane Saville was an Olympic bronze medalist in race walking.

Guess who was her husband and coach?

 

[Jamsque]

One year ban if he cooperates.

Over at Velosnooze's forum the SoCal guys are saying that Floyd turning states evidence has been word on the street for a month and that it involves more than just Landis.

The fact that Landis seems to have been planning this for a while would suggest that he has got someone else ready to back up what he is saying.

 

[Jamsque]

If there ends up being solid evidence against Matt White, this might spread beyond cycling.

Jane Saville was an Olympic bronze medalist in race walking.

Guess who was her husband and coach?

Jimmy Saville?

No?

 

[Cerberus]

I think we all need to calm down here and let the grownups with negative drug test record speak up.

What does Bjarne Riis have to do with this? I think you're confusing him with Rihs. Don't worry it's an easy mistake to make.

 

[Squares]

Letter a forgery???

retracted due to new information

 

[Jamsque]

I didn't have time to read every post of the 535 posts so far, but in scanning about 75, I didn't see anyone talk about the distinct possibility that this letter is fiction, something that someone put together based on rumor and inuendo, then signed Floyd's name and sent it to CN.

Choose a time like now when the Giro and ToC is on and boom, you have made the heads of thousands of people explode.

Occams Razor suggests that the simplest explanation for this letter is that it is a fake, something made up to make a media splash.

Floyd has already given a phone interview to ESPN and confirmed the letters are authentic, you bumbling twit.

 

[Cerberus]

I didn't have time to read every post of the 535 posts so far, but in scanning about 75, I didn't see anyone talk about the distinct possibility that this letter is fiction, something that someone put together based on rumor and inuendo, then signed Floyd's name and sent it to CN.

Choose a time like now when the Giro and ToC is on and boom, you have made the heads of thousands of people explode.

Occams Razor suggests that the simplest explanation for this letter is that it is a fake, something made up to make a media splash.

Why yea, someone did consider that, since someone was smarter than you they correctly deduced that CN probably wouldn't have published anything unless they had reason to think it was authentic. A conclusion which has since been verified.

 

[trompe le monde]

Occams Razor suggests that the simplest explanation for this letter is that it is a fake, something made up to make a media splash.

Uh, doesn't Occam's Razor actually mean that the most plausible explanation usually has the least amount of steps? By bringing in the 'fake letter' aspect you inject a whole bunch of premises into the argument that are even harder to verify than the simple truth, in that the letter is authentic.

I find it funny when people try to use philosophy to make their point when they themselves don't understand the 'rational tool' they are using. In net-speak parlance, 'epic fail'.

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

I didn't have time to read every post of the 535 posts so far, but in scanning about 75, I didn't see anyone talk about the distinct possibility that this letter is fiction, something that someone put together based on rumor and inuendo, then signed Floyd's name and sent it to CN.

Choose a time like now when the Giro and ToC is on and boom, you have made the heads of thousands of people explode.

Occams Razor suggests that the simplest explanation for this letter is that it is a fake, something made up to make a media splash.

well done- it was me- I actually faked it all to make a splash - god knows why that tit Landis is backing me up in interview-

 

[Jamsque]

Occam's Razor is one of those terms that people just love to trot out when they actually don't understand it at all, kind of like quantum uncertainty.

What Occam's Razor actually states is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity"

 

[ttrider]

They can call floyd a bitter and derranged man but the reality is he has nothing left to lose, i believe in him coming clean, he is from a religious family and so it must be wieghing on his conscience

I believe he is probably the second most well known cyclist to the general public in the USA, after Lance. Lance can expect a trial by the media and the fact is stuff like the Wall street journal and NY times are way above and outside his sphere of influence and so i believe he will simply not be able to quash allegations from Landis, i mean who outside of cycling in the US has heard of Andreu and to a lesser extent Vaughters

In my opinion that famous IM conversation and now Landis have pushed the balance away from Lance and i think its not to early to say his public image is destroyed if press as big and historic as that are reporting and the man that bought down BALCO is investigating his time is up

Sporting sanctions are a whole different topic, it will be hard to find evidence and as someone mentioned it covers a lot of jurisdictions such as Girona and belgium as floyd mentioned, Armstrong will be found guilty by the media you have to imagine but i doubt there will be any sporting sanctions unless say Hamilton Andreu and Vaughters back up Floyd, and if this happens i believe he really will finally tumble

As a final aside im split on whether Lance tumbling is good or bad, it will probably be good for the sport but lots of people with cancer see him as an icon and like it or not there is no doubt cancer is more important than sport, life more important than sport. The fall of arguably one of the biggest fund raisers for cancer will arguably have a net negative effect.....

 

[Roland Rat]

Is there any chance, any chance at all, that he was right about being set up with the testosterone positive in 2006? Why admit to all this and still maintain he was not taking testosterone in 2006?

 

[issoisso]

Is there any chance, any chance at all, that he was right about being set up with the testosterone positive in 2006? Why admit to all this and still maintain he was not taking testosterone in 2006?

Admitting to lying about the testosterone would cripple his credibility even more than the alternative.

 

[Roland Rat]

They can call floyd a bitter and derranged man but the reality is he has nothing left to lose, i believe in him coming clean, he is from a religious family and so it must be wieghing on his conscience

I believe he is probably the second most well known cyclist to the general public in the USA, after Lance. Lance can expect a trial by the media and the fact is stuff like the Wall street journal and NY times are way above and outside his sphere of influence and so i believe he will simply not be able to quash allegations from Landis, i mean who outside of cycling in the US has heard of Andreu and to a lesser extent Vaughters

In my opinion that famous IM conversation and now Landis have pushed the balance away from Lance and i think its not to early to say his public image is destroyed if press as big and historic as that are reporting and the man that bought down BALCO is investigating his time is up

Sporting sanctions are a whole different topic, it will be hard to find evidence and as someone mentioned it covers a lot of jurisdictions such as Girona and belgium as floyd mentioned, Armstrong will be found guilty by the media you have to imagine but i doubt there will be any sporting sanctions unless say Hamilton Andreu and Vaughters back up Floyd, and if this happens i believe he really will finally tumble

As a final aside im split on whether Lance tumbling is good or bad, it will probably be good for the sport but lots of people with cancer see him as an icon and like it or not there is no doubt cancer is more important than sport, life more important than sport. The fall of arguably one of the biggest fund raisers for cancer will arguably have a net negative effect.....

What I'd like to see is that he's taken to jail for multiple counts of fraud, but as the Judge passes sentence and asks Armstrong if he has anything to say, LA turns to camera and says...

"Well, I've still never tested positive"

and they all laugh and then cut to credits.