Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[fruit bars with eyes]

Strange response. Sounds like Paddy believes some things should stay buried. He must think that sleeping dopers should lie.

oh yes- it's like Floyd is trying to short a corrupt market - no wonder all the big traders are in complete denial - but if one wobbles they'll all fall hard

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I don't think it's really a fanboy statement.

I firmly believe that Lance has doped most of his career.

But I still don't think anything will come of this due to the lack of physical evidence and Landis not exactly having sterling credabilty.

PR wise it might hurt Lance... but I'd be shocked if he faced any legal issues at all, or a suspension of any kind.

The "lack of physical evidence" is your own assumption as is contrary to Landis' claims about evidence. But keep your head in the sand, you have plenty of Lance fanboys to keep you company there.

 

[Ferminal]

I've noticed there is a lot of trolling like this on the thread.

Firstly I don't think many 'fanboys' doubt that Armstrong doped in some way through his career. That is the nature of the sport. We just have a more sophisticated approach towards it. And it's nothing more than stating the obvious that Floyd does not have a lot of credibility given his position.

I'm at a loss why people would be enjoying the prospect of Armstrong getting bad PR out of this. Hating is not a healthy way to live. Armstrong is a human being like you and me. It's also very bad for the sport of cycling. Why would a fan of cycling enjoy this story?

So you're happy for doping to continue to ruin people's lives for the near future?

That's exactly what will continue to happen as long as McQuaid, Brunyeel, Armstrong, Riis, Rihs, Vaughters etc aren't revealed for the frauds that they are. These people control the sport thus control the future of young riders entering the top level of the sport.

 

[buckwheat]

Anything on LA's twitter?

I don't think it's really a fanboy statement.

I firmly believe that Lance has doped most of his career.

But I still don't think anything will come of this due to the lack of physical evidence and Landis not exactly having sterling credabilty.

PR wise it might hurt Lance... but I'd be shocked if he faced any legal issues at all, or a suspension of any kind.

I don't think John Cena is going to be facing any censure either.

Chief Jay Strongbow and Billy Whitewolf are coming out of retirement to fight the Executioners! I got front row seats.

Then I'm going to watch the Mr. Olympia. Franco Columbo is challenging Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates.

Rumor has it they're letting Bertil Fox out of prison for the contest. I'm overjoyed at the prospect of all that muscle in one place.

 

[scribe]

I hope you are right!!

I think the intention of this release by Landis is to prevent the guys under his old program from participating in the tour, when he can't himself. I am generally OK with that, but he should come out with all the details on the full spectrum of cyclists he knows about and quickly to help his cause.

 

[rickibobbi]

glad I was sitting down when I read about this, "I'm shocked, shocked I say." I actually don't care about doping, I want Armstrong to continue to compete so he can raise even more money for cancer research.

 

[Hekla.]

truth for the sake of truth

You're obviously a big fan of Wiggins. Wouldn't you find it appalling if someone made claims about him doping that did not have any evidence, and after years of denying it?

Even worse, imagine if there were people on forums like this who made stuff up about him. They would more interested in smears than the truth, wouldn't you say?

 

[kurtinsc]

You don't get it. This is far beyond the Landis' letter. The Feds are involved. Jeff Novitzky is working the case. This is not going away

The feds were involved in the Roger Clemmons case... and they had physical evidence (his blood on a syringe that also contained HGH).

It went away.


Again... I fully believe Lance doped, and I expect the majority of GT riders have doped also. If this were happening in France... Lance MIGHT actually get caught.

But it's the US, where we pretty much accept doping. In the end you might see a person or two face a charge for providing the drugs, but that's it. People went to jain in the Balco case here... but none of them were atheletes.

 

[TRDean]

I don't think John Cena is going to be facing any censure either.

Chief Jay Strongbow and Billy Whitewolf are coming out of retirement to fight the Executioners! I got front row seats.

Then I'm going to watch the Mr. Olympia. Franco Columbo is challenging Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates.

Rumor has it they're letting Bertil Fox out of prison for the contest. I'm overjoyed at the prospect of all that muscle in one place.

Now that guy had some legs!!

 

[Animal]

I don't think John Cena is going to be facing any censure either.

Chief Jay Strongbow and Billy Whitewolf are coming out of retirement to fight the Executioners! I got front row seats.

Then I'm going to watch the Mr. Olympia. Franco Columbo is challenging Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates.

Rumor has it they're letting Bertil Fox out of prison for the contest. I'm overjoyed at the prospect of all that muscle in one place.

Will someone translate that please?

 

[Cobblestones]

truth for the sake of truth

Hekla is another Icelandic volcano. The next over from Eyjafjallajokull in fact. There's a couple more big ones called Katla and Grimvotn (just in case).

 

[Digger]

Hekla is BPC.

 

[Hekla.]

So you're happy for doping to continue to ruin people's lives for the near future?

That's exactly what will continue to happen as long as McQuaid, Brunyeel, Armstrong, Riis, Rihs, Vaughters etc aren't revealed for the frauds that they are. These people control the sport thus control the future of young riders entering the top level of the sport.

The sport has moved on. Landis is talking about the early part of the last decade. Why go racking up stuff from that era?

Lets have a more mature attitude to this.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I've noticed there is a lot of trolling like this on the thread.

Firstly I don't think many 'fanboys' doubt that Armstrong doped in some way through his career. That is the nature of the sport. We just have a more sophisticated approach towards it. And it's nothing more than stating the obvious that Floyd does not have a lot of credibility given his position.

I'm at a loss why people would be enjoying the prospect of Armstrong getting bad PR out of this. Hating is not a healthy way to live. Armstrong is a human being like you and me. It's also very bad for the sport of cycling. Why would a fan of cycling enjoy this story?

Im sorry - who is we?

This is a good day for Cycling - as long as there are bikes there will be people to race them.

But they shoud not have to lie, cheat, bribe their way to top positions - either in administration or the sport itself. Today ProCycling ius exposed for what it is - this will have to change.

 

[scribe]

The "lack of physical evidence" is your own assumption as is contrary to Landis' claims about evidence. But keep your head in the sand, you have plenty of Lance fanboys to keep you company there.

FL has much as said he mostly just has his word against others.....and some journals(?). Celebrate the fact someone is speaking up, but lets not distort what we know already.

 

[Animal]

Even worse, imagine if there were people on forums like this who made stuff up about him. They would more interested in smears than the truth, wouldn't you say?

Who's making anything up?

 

[kurtinsc]

The "lack of physical evidence" is your own assumption as is contrary to Landis' claims about evidence. But keep your head in the sand, you have plenty of Lance fanboys to keep you company there.

Okay... do we have any physical evidence?

The article I read said they talked to Landis on the phone and he stated he had no evidence or documentation. If that's false I'll be happy to rethink things.

 

[Ferminal]

You're obviously a big fan of Wiggins. Wouldn't you find it appalling if someone made claims about him doping that did not have any evidence, and after years of denying it?

Even worse, imagine if there were people on forums like this who made stuff up about him. They would more interested in smears than the truth, wouldn't you say?

Wiggins rode for a team who employs two people implicated by Landis, and currently riders for a team with one rider implicated by Landis.

Listen to Wiggins whinging during the 2007 about doping. All of a sudden in 2010 he's saying "let's just get on with the race".

 

[mr. tibbs]

The feds were involved in the Roger Clemmons case... and they had physical evidence (his blood on a syringe that also contained HGH).

It went away.


Again... I fully believe Lance doped, and I expect the majority of GT riders have doped also. If this were happening in France... Lance MIGHT actually get caught.

But it's the US, where we pretty much accept doping. In the end you might see a person or two face a charge for providing the drugs, but that's it. People went to jain in the Balco case here... but none of them were atheletes.

I think this is all true, but there may be some fallout for the US cyclists named, especially the non-Armstrong ones, that a baseball star wouldn't suffer. Baseball just has more clout here than cycling.

But I think you're mostly right.

 

[scribe]

The sport has moved on. Landis is talking about the early part of the last decade. Why go racking up stuff from that era?

Lets have a more mature attitude to this.

Dude, it is still an epidemic. Without a controlling force, the incentive to do the sauce is absolute survival.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The Simeoni incident separated the Lance fans from the cycling fans. The fact that Armstrong fans are whining about the sport shows the disgusting level of hypocrisy to which fans of this man stoop.

 

[ExRower]

Good on you Floyd. We're with you on this one. Fight the good fight!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Okay... do we have any physical evidence?

The article I read said they talked to Landis on the phone and he stated he had no evidence or documentation. If that's false I'll be happy to rethink things.

Link the article please.

 

[Ferminal]

The sport has moved on. Landis is talking about the early part of the last decade. Why go racking up stuff from that era?

Lets have a more mature attitude to this.

RadioShack have 5 current employees directly implicated by Landis.

Are you suggesting that none of those five continue to support doping, despite their urgency to do it in the earlier half of this decade?

The same RadioShack, has a feeder team featuring some of the brightest talents in the sport - are you suggesting that doping influences on these talents are not a bad thing?

 

[BYOP88]

Hekla is another Icelandic volcano. The next over from Eyjafjallajokull in fact. There's a couple more big ones called Katla and Grimvotn (just in case).

I thought it was a play on "heckler", but I may be wrong it's early.

Great news though let's hope there is some evidence to back Floyd's claim and we can wave goodbye to uncle Pat and LA, maybe they'll get to be roomies for a stretch.