Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[ExRower]

lots of fanboys in denial getting on board this forum. go back to RBR.

 

[TRDean]

RadioShack have 5 current employees directly implicated by Landis.

Are you suggesting that none of those five continue to support doping, despite their urgency to do it in the earlier half of this decade?

The same RadioShack, has a feeder team featuring some of the brightest talents in the sport - are you suggesting that doping influences on these talents are not a bad thing?

This hits the nail on the head for me...this **** needs to stop!

 

[Hekla.]

Im sorry - who is we?

This is a good day for Cycling - as long as there are bikes there will be people to race them.

But they shoud not have to lie, cheat, bribe their way to top positions - either in administration or the sport itself. Today ProCycling ius exposed for what it is - this will have to change.

No, we have had one desperate and bankrupt man who's legal avenues have all dried up throwing around some claims. What is true we don't know.

But my point is this is all from a different era - he's talking about things that happened eight years ago.

Having a more sophicated approach is understanding the culture of previous eras without wetting our pants about it. Eddie Mercx also doped in his era.

Lets not hang Armstrong nor anybody else, and get back to the cycling.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The feds were involved in the Roger Clemmons case... and they had physical evidence (his blood on a syringe that also contained HGH).

It went away.


Again... I fully believe Lance doped, and I expect the majority of GT riders have doped also. If this were happening in France... Lance MIGHT actually get caught.

But it's the US, where we pretty much accept doping. In the end you might see a person or two face a charge for providing the drugs, but that's it. People went to jain in the Balco case here... but none of them were atheletes.

Didnt Marion Jones spend some time in the clink?

 

[Cerberus]

The Science of Sports is covering the story to. Nothing new, but a nice summery of the facts so far. Apparently they're not any bigger fans of Pat than most people here.

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2010/05/floyd-landis-admits-to-doping-and-other.html

 

[ExRower]

needs to stop once anfd for all. but is it possible? Pat McQuaid is in on it..obviously

 

[Hekla.]

lots of fanboys in denial getting on board this forum. go back to RBR.

I don't see many of these 'fanboys'. I only see people doubting that this case has legs.

Is a fan of the sport a fanboy?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Okay... do we have any physical evidence?

The article I read said they talked to Landis on the phone and he stated he had no evidence or documentation. If that's false I'll be happy to rethink things.

When T-Mobile imploded in 2007 after Jef d'Honts book came out, what physical evidence did he have?

 

[kurtinsc]

Link the article please.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...andis-admits-doping-accuses-lance-armstrong/1

The last line said:

"Landis told ESPN.com that he has no documentation to prove most of his claims."


Now looking deeper, I can't find anything on ESPN stating that directly... so who knows?

**edit** here's the line from the ESPN article:

"Landis confirmed to ESPN in a telephone interview that he had doped for most of his career and had sent the emails. Landis said he implicated dozens of other cyclists in addition to Armstrong, although he said he has no documentation of their use."

http://www.sportingnews.com/general...ts-doping-says-lance-armstrong-also-used-peds

 

[scribe]

RadioShack have 5 current employees directly implicated by Landis.

Are you suggesting that none of those five continue to support doping, despite their urgency to do it in the earlier half of this decade?

The same RadioShack, has a feeder team featuring some of the brightest talents in the sport - are you suggesting that doping influences on these talents are not a bad thing?

I'll take this one.

The inability of doping authorities to control the athletes is the major problem. Of course doping blows as it seems clear those with the best programmes are the ones who are winning events.

Fix the testing and controls, and the problem will die a horrible death. It has been stated here ad nauseum that the cyclists always seem to be 4 steps ahead of the authorities, so what are you gonna do?

 

[Race Radio]

The feds were involved in the Roger Clemmons case... and they had physical evidence (his blood on a syringe that also contained HGH).

It went away.


Again... I fully believe Lance doped, and I expect the majority of GT riders have doped also. If this were happening in France... Lance MIGHT actually get caught.

But it's the US, where we pretty much accept doping. In the end you might see a person or two face a charge for providing the drugs, but that's it. People went to jain in the Balco case here... but none of them were atheletes.

What Happened to Marion Jones? What happened to BALCO? Same guy is working this case

 

[mr. tibbs]

Link the article please.

This is from the Times' article:

McQuaid said he received Landis’s e-mail messages several weeks ago, but immediately discounted the accusations in them because they were “purely allegations and no proof of anything.” He has since sent the messages to the cycling union’s legal department."

No other mention of "proof" or "evidence." Didn't see either in the WSJ, either.

 

[Anonymous]

Floyd if you are reading this, which im sure you are.. GIVE US THE PHOTOS

 

[red_flanders]

The "lack of physical evidence" is your own assumption as is contrary to Landis' claims about evidence. But keep your head in the sand, you have plenty of Lance fanboys to keep you company there.

Probably worth noting/adding that testimony is in fact, evidence.

 

[Hekla.]

What Happened to Marion Jones? What happened to BALCO? Same guy is working this case

Yeah I don't know why Landis did this to himself. I think in a way Armstrong will be pleased Landis has taken himself out of the picture.

 

[Cobblestones]

So, it's 9:00 a.m. on the Westcoast. Everybody should be up by now and reading the newspaper (make that twitter). Any reactions so far? Riders of small teams speaking out? What's the general mood going to be?

 

[ExRower]

sure hope more than a few guys are considering coming out with the truth before it's too late.

 

[frenchfry]

From what I've read... Landis has stated he's got no documentation or evidence.

So what you have is someone making accusations... someone who already has very damaged credibility (due to his previous statements about being clean.)


The point with Canseco is that there was no investigation started due to his claims. Did they prove to be correct? Largely they did. Do I think Landis is lying? No I don't... I think virtually everyone who has finished in the top 10 of a grand tour the last 20 years was doped up to the gills... I think they're all guilty.

But I simply don't think anything at all will come of it. No suspensions, no missed race days, nobody will be fired. Perhaps Landis gets hit with a perjury charge... but that's it.



Roger Clemmons was implicated with a used syringe with his blood on it containing HGH... and nothing came of it. In this case there isn't any physical evidence. I can't see anyone going down because of it. It may affect public opinion... but that's it.

You read wrong. He said he doesn't have proof of ALL his accusations, which leads me to believe that he does have proof for at least SOME of the accusations.

I love the diary aspect. This isn't a simple "they are all doping" rant. There appears to be a lot of detail going back years.

 

[2beacoup]

Armstrong puts extra money into anti-doping

One of the last things he did was to pay for the UCI’s new Sysmex blood testing machine, which measures the proportion of haemoglobin and reticulocytes in a rider’s blood to determine whether they have been artificially manipulating their red cells.

“I know Lance didn’t want me to talk about this, but now he his career is coming to an end I said to him that I should make it public,” said Verbruggen. “He didn’t like that, but I think everybody has to know it.”

 

[scribe]

Didnt Marion Jones spend some time in the clink?

It will be interesting to see where FL claims to have used controlled substances. Wouldn't that play into whether he is actually eligible for jail time?

 

[Race Radio]

Random troll babble

How many times have you been banned?

 

[Hekla.]

Floyd if you are reading this, which im sure you are.. GIVE US THE PHOTOS

The rumour is he only has a picture of a motorbike 7 years ago. I don't see how that will be particularly damning.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No, we have had one desperate and bankrupt man who's legal avenues have all dried up throwing around some claims. What is true we don't know.

But my point is this is all from a different era - he's talking about things that happened eight years ago.

Having a more sophicated approach is understanding the culture of previous eras without wetting our pants about it. Eddie Mercx also doped in his era.

Lets not hang Armstrong nor anybody else, and get back to the cycling.

So - ignore the problem, you believe that works??

We had this guy on this forum - who is known as BPC - and he kept coming back, 30+ different usernames.
See - if you don't crack down on a problem it returns, I think we can all agree on this.

 

[eleven]

What Happened to Marion Jones? What happened to BALCO? Same guy is working this case

I don't think the Balco case will lend you much support while Barry Bonds is still on the outside of the irons.

Jones went to the clink for perjuring herself (which might explain why Landis is continuing to claim his 2006 test was false)

 

[Race Radio]

It will be interesting to see where FL claims to have used controlled substances. Wouldn't that play into whether he is actually eligible for jail time?

HGH? Testosterone? Without a prescription this is against the law